WhirlingBlack

I have a couple of vinyls.

Dir en grey's UROBOROS and DUM SPIRO SPERO which came in the japanese deluxe boxes.

Dir en grey's Myaku on 12 inch which I believe was a promo LP for radio stations.

I have two Nookicky LPs as well, Water Sinker and PINHOLE.

And finally phobias ~Re-mix~ single, also on 12 inch, I'm not sure what the story is around that release though.

Visual Kei vinyls aren't that common so my collection isn't huge, it also hasn't really been a priority for me to buy them unless the price has been reasonable.

8 minutes ago, yakihiko said:

Whirling, do you know or have info regarding discography/songs for Tekede's past bands like HATED, ハーヴィ, V-Family, フリージア, or Neo. Is pretty hard to find those kind of info now.

I don't know the other bands, but HATED were an amazing nagoya band from the mid-2000s, the vocalist went on to meth. which was decently popular for a short while. I'm sure there's still some downloads around here on the forum or the net for their maxi-single.

Waiting for the drummer to reform HATED any day now. 

Wasn't there supposed to be a self-cover too on here? Or did I mix up which release it was going to be featured on?

The weird part is that there was several unreleased Black:List songs that probably were recorded in some form or another... why not release those instead of pumping out the same three tracks over and over?

6 hours ago, Seelentau said:

 

刹那 (Setsuna) would later become Unknown...Despair...a Lost.

 

Seeing as the two songs were performed at the same shows in 1997, that's not true, I'm sorry to say. It was simply just scrapped along with the rest because they culled a lot of their indies sound when they went major. 

15 hours ago, AimiGen7 said:

Setsuna is actually a remake of Objexxx from La:Sadie's. At the same live at Namba Rockets, they also played a very strange, early version of Zan

also @ZeusComing here to set the facts about Dir en grey straight:

This is incorrect, Setsuna was a WIP project song by Dir en grey that developed over the course of 1997 (starting out as 5 minutes and evolving into a nearly 7 minute track) until finally being scrapped in the first half of 1998 for reasons unknown. Whether Setsuna was an official title or one given to it by fans is still subject to speculation.

"Ai Murasaki Iro" Is in fact pronounced "Ranshishoku" based on a newspaper interview which I scanned and upped some year ago from a indie magazine made in early 1998. I know this due to the fact that the name was written out in katakana. It's the onyomi pronunciation of the same kanji. They played this song at every oneman live starting from August 1997 until their last indies live at the Budokan, after which it was scrapped due to poor audience response, supposedly.

They  had another unreleased longer track that they played throughout the second half of 1997 and on and off into early 1998 which then subsequently disappeared as well. No known title for this track.

There was an early version of Mazohyst of Decadence played from 1997 which differed slightly.

raison detre had a early quite different  version which premiered at their oneman tour in late 1997 and evolved into it's current form during 1998.

ZAN is also one of the earliest songs they wrote, and it was played from their first tour in april 1997 and onwards in various stages of evolution until it arrived at the GAUZE form in late 1998.

Tsumi to Batsu was also performed during their last indies tour in a slightly different format.

They also premiered two new songs at the DUM SPIRO SPERO and Kisou part of the recent tour respectively which haven't been mentioned or played since. 

I could go on but I think that'll do for now.

6 minutes ago, emmny said:

awesome stuff, supporting from a (long) distance \m/

I'm pretty sure I have the best playlists of any nightclubs anywhere in the world. Because strange as it might sound, there aren't any in Japan that plays VK, lol.

So if you want to rock out to that Aliene Ma'riage or old school D'espairsRay there's really no options except Sweden!

We arranged our second night last weekend in honor of the screenings of the We Are X documentary and Yoshikis visit to Sweden. Here's the setlist:

2017.10.21 Pub Lunacy vol.1 - 『We are X -The Afterparty-』

Luna Sea - Mechanical Dance | 1992
X Japan - I'll Kill You | 1988
Dir en grey - 【KR】cube | 2000
GLAY - TWO BELL SILENCE | 1994
X Japan - Blue Blood | 1989
hide - EYES LOVE YOU | 1993
Aliene Ma'riage - 撲 『しもべ』 (Boku [Shimobe]) | 1999
D'espairsRay - 「モノクロ」になった最期の日 (Monokuro ni Natta Saigo no Hi) | 2001
sukekiyo - ANIMA | 2016
BUCK-TICK - ドレス (Dress) | 1993
Guniw Tools - Fancy Pink | 1998
Plastic Tree - ナミダドロップ (Namida Drop) | 2006
Pierrot - Adolf | 1997
X Japan - Rusty Nail | 1996
Luna Sea - PRECIOUS... | 1991
Sleep My Dear - Ask for Eyes | 1995
D'erlanger - XXX for YOU | 2007
KEEL - Water Lilies | 2015
DENTAKU - チョコロッテ (chocorotte) | 2009

the GazettE - Cassis | 2005
MUCC - 極彩 (Gokusai) | 2006 
D'espairsRay - ファシズム (Fascism) | 2001
X Japan - Stab me in the back | 1991
Dir en grey - GARDEN | 1997
Luna Sea - Dejavu | 1992
hide - D.O.D. (Drink Or Die) | 1994

Versailles - The Revenant Choir | 2007
Moi dix Mois - Monophobia | 2004
X Japan - Orgasm | 1989
Deluhi - S[K]ape:goat
和楽器バンド (wagakki band) - 戦 -ikusa- | 2015
L'Arc~en~ciel - Caress of Venus | 1996
X Japan - Art of Life (Shortened Lunacy ver.) | 1993
Dir en grey - Cage | 1999
La'Mule - ナイフ | 2000
黒夢 (Kuroyume) - 十字架との戯れ (Juujika to no Tawamure) | 1993
D'espairsRay - Gothic | 2002
ムック (MUCC) - 遺書　(Isho) | 2004
ねが (Nega) - quadrangle | 2007
lynch. - ADORE | 2015
the GazettE - Filth in the Beauty | 2006
Malice Mizer - 月下の夜想曲 (Gekka no Yasoukyoku) | 1998
蜉蝣 (Kagerou) - 絶望にサヨナラ (Zetsubou ni Sayonara) | 2005
deadman - Lunch Box | 2003
Buck-Tick - 蜉蝣-かげろう- (Kagerou) | 2006
X Japan - Week end | 1989
D'espairsRay - Garnet | 2003
Dir en grey - OBSCURE | 2003
ムック (MUCC) - 路地裏　僕と君へ (Rojiura boku to kimi he) | 2004
Malice Mizer - Beast of Blood | 2000
hide - DOUBT | 1993
メトロノーム (Metronome) - 絶望さん (Zetsubou-San) | 2006
FLOPPY - ヘルタースケルター | 2006
Schwarz Stein - New vogue children | 2003
Malice Mizer - Illuminati | 1998
Közi - Honey Vanity | 2003
D'espairsRay - Dears | 2005
X Japan - 紅 (Kurenai) 1988
Dir en grey - raison detre | 1999
hide - PINK SPIDER | 1998
Dir en grey - The Final | 2004
X Japan - X | 1986

It's one of my favorite songs, I wish they had left it alone, since it's always a gamble how much of the original track they keep around when making these "re-recordings". THE IIID EMPIRE and Beautiful Dirt updates sounds like a good idea though, there's room for improvement there!

No, they're real demotapes they gave out at those concerts. They are just comments of the band talking for a couple of minutes though, not live recordings or anything interesting.

They're from Switzerland not Italy though? I met them in Stockholm the other month and they were very nice people, I've never heard their music though.

I think Eiji still prints Dentaku CDs from time to time and sells them at various events and sometimes straight to stores, I sometimes see "new" releases at shops which I have no idea where they come from.

I'm pretty sure Dentaku was always something he just did to earn some extra money when he was threatened with eviction or ran out of beer money. 

As expected a mediocre tracklist, but it has some tracks with potential and you never know how much the bands end up editing the originals into something new. Kyo isn't famous for doing straight up covers exactly. 

It's nice to see Aka in there but I'd have liked for a track like that to have gone to gibkiy given how aie-esque the guitar is already. 

Overall, I'm mildly disappointed at face value but I'll reserve judgement until I've actually heard it. 

Surprised Kyo is missing the chance to do strange sounds to kuchiki no tou, but perhaps it was too long to fit on a tribute album. 

2 hours ago, Seimeisen said:

I voted for クランケ because why not

Thank you! I voted the same before seeing your post. It's one of my favorite songs and one of the few mucc songs not avaliable in good quality, because the official recording is terrible.

Everyone please help out and vote for Kranke!

MUSIC FARM would be the most kvlt place to have an old school gig at though, since a lot of the bands started out there... but I guess they want to let people actually have a chance of attending this one.

I'm hoping for something like Silver-Rose, ROUAGE... Kuroyume with original lineup, perhaps Laputa. Something along those lines. That would make the most sense based on the japanese definition of the term Nagoya Kei at least.

Thanks for the thread and the recommendation!

I'd be glad to take my club wherever there is an audience big enough to sustain it. I have plans for international appearances in the future. Just hook me up with a venue of appropriate size and I'll see what can be done. Dropping a like on the official Facebook page would help too since it's good leverage when dealing with venues.

On the topic of events, there's an irregular event in Finland too for Visual Kei, and a club in Budapest that regularly does VK music. I've attended both and they were excellent in their own right, although I personally believe (of course) that my own is the best one due to the meticulous preparations and quality. 

The first date of Lunacy in Stockholm had @Takadanobabaalien, @paradoxal, @orange~, @Disposable, @Shizumi, @K8A, and probably some other lurkers. Hoping for more the next time! 

It will be every band on Enter Brain feat. Kiyoharu. 

Nope, it looks like Batsu is finally gone. Strange how it disappeared as soon as someone started speaking about it again. 

Edited the setlist, in the future please refrain from rewriting the song names as it might cause confusion.

I don't think it's a clear cut division as much as it's a generalization to make the point easier. There's plenty of bangya who are into many bands and have a wide knowledge of the scene, and there are plenty of guys who go to the lives and enjoy them despite not always feeling like circumstances are ideal (I've attended upwards of 100 VK shows, for example.) 

It's just that the majority fall into the stereotypes, whether it's self-imposed or formed by the strong consensus culture of Japan I don't know, but once something gets viewed in the public eye as being geared towards a specific audience, the threshold to dare to break that mold gets much higher, especially in a country like Japan where this is strongly discouraged in general.

In an ideal world people wouldn't care, like you say, but we all know that's not how group psychology works.

Also, I think it's pretty normal that people who invest a lot of time and money into something, whether accidentally or not, look down on those who settle for less, but fandom elitism is another topic and far from exclusive to the guys either - it goes both ways, it's just that both groups measure dedication by different scales. I know bangya who look down on girls who attend lives of other bands, for example, because it's seen as "treason" towards their main act. Or look down on the fanboys for not supporting the bands at shows more. Just like I know guys who look down on those who don't know and love that one band that was around for three weeks in '93. It's problematic for sure but I think delving deeper into it is taking the thread off topic?

If people want to make another thread to discuss the toxic elements of bangya culture or fandom elitism, I'd be all for it, and I think it'd be interesting topics to discuss in a wider sense, but let's try to keep it relevant to the topic of male fans in the VK scene here.

@KomorebiI think it's pretty easy to spot when someone actually cares about the music and when someone is only there to drool at the band. All it takes is a short conversation on the topic of the bands music. And it's not mutually exclusive at all. I have plenty of female friends who can do both, and as long as I can participate in the discussions about the music and they keep the discussions about the bandmens physique with ones that are interested, I'm all good.

Of course there are two sides to everything, but the topic in question was about guys and how they feel about VK so I answered from that perspective, which happened to be my own as well.

It's an essential part of what VK turned out to be eventually, at least. If that's good or not I suppose is in the eye of the beholder.

I think that this situation sort of showcases the discrepancy between the western and Japanese fandom, in some ways. We in the west have sort of built up our own subculture surrounding VK that isn't the same as it is in Japan. In Japan, attending VK lives can have connotations that a lot of guys would want to avoid, the informal rules surrounding the lives can also make the shows less enjoyable to men too, as in the whole staying put in your spot, allowing time and space for the girls to fix their hair between each headbang and stuff like that. The western VK fandom treats it more like any other alternative subculture whereas I feel like in Japan it has unhealthy connections with the host ideals. 

I went to a VK bar in Tokyo and talked to the bartender and he said that the regular girls scared away other customers on the weekends by refusing to let him serve others, since they "paid for his company" by buying drinks, and they would demand from him to play only the one band they listen to the entire night.

I think for a lot of guys who are into VK, most Japanese men who are into VK are CD-only by the way, as in they don't attend the shows but just buy the music from stores and might occasionally show up to onemans and stand in the back, this doesn't create a fun atmosphere since they would prefer to just hang about and talk shit about music and listen to a dozen different bands. 

I realize that the bangya culture is what keeps the bands afloat, but I think it's also this culture that sort of kills the fun for a lot of guys who enjoy the music and enjoy the scene aesthetically but isn't just invested in one band and wants to enjoy some host fantasy with them. And this is why guys have a larger part in the western fandom because ours really isn't connected much to the Japanese one beyond listening to the same bands.

To be fair though, quite a few bands try to remedy this by doing those male only shows, and I think that's an awesome thing, although I wish it weren't necessary.

No. 

Besides most features don't work and people haven't been online for years so you won't have any luck there.

Discussing Dir on batsu was always quite the thrill. Wasn't uncommon with hundreds of pages in a thread... I think communities work differently these days what with the advent of instagram and twitter and stuff having divided the scene.