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  2. Posted

    I'd actually be interested to hear re-recorded versions of those songs! (otherwise there wouldn't be a point in buying this anyway, unless for new fans..)

    Not so much the ones from larva/their undercode era because we all know what it'd sound like but... wouldn't it be interesting to hear current 12 interpret songs like 'merry go world'?

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  6. Posted

    @Hyura As said above, Kote kei is extremely vague... i'd say early Kuroyume are definitely "Kote" as they were basically the origin of all those dark, goth influenced bands that followed after (and the whole Nagoya kei trend). But on the other side there are people claiming Baiser aren't Kote kei, because they are 8especially in their later era) too soft.

     

    Yes, it's really vague. But not so much because there is no 'criteria', but rather because you can't really categorize a band. You can categorize an outfit, a photo, a pv, a phase of a band but not a band altogether, like say phantasmagoria because they represented a slightly different image for every release.

    Phantasmagorias Mikansei to guilt is pure kotekote kei so yes, they are (sometimes) part of this category, even though they might not be all the time.

     

    When I first heard that term it was japanese fans using it and my 'criteria' for it is solely based on what they used it for. Or at least used to some years ago. So it might be forgotten by now, but it wasn't the overseas fans that invented it.

    Kotekote actually means 'heavy' and they way I understand it it applys to 'heavy, dark visual kei'

     

    And that was usually for the image and appeareance of a band, not that much about the music. It can be applied to visual kei fans, too. Some people I met would call a 'traditionally' gothy and/or elaborately dressed bangyaru a 'kotegya'.

    I just tried googling コテコテ系 and it did come up with quite a few results, too. Like here or here

     

    The definitions here are

     

    -A band's look and atmosphere

    -Heavy visual kei

    -classic visual kei

    -grotesque, decadent, aesthetic imagery

    -lots of black and lots of leather and vinyl, very elaborate costumes

    -very big and colourful hair

    -Motives like crosses, blood, flowers....

    -Try hard goth and try hard dark

    -They are never really fashionable or really stylish, their appeal comes from 'too much' of everything

     

    To me kuroyume just isn't real kotekei. They are the ultimate base of everything that is, but Luna Sea looked more kotekote then they did. At least for the most part. And by that criteria Phantasmagoria absolutely fits in.

     

    This is also a term that wasn't invented earlier than 2002 and I think it was, since the very beginning, used for active bands as well. So I don't see a reason not to use it for the ones around today.

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  7. Posted

    Phantasmagoria and the Kiryu aren't kote-kei: just stop. There is nothing 'old school' about 2008, and neither sound nor look like they're from 1996.

     

    kote-kei =/= dress up in costumes

     

    But kotekote doesn't neccesarily mean 'oldschool' or '90s'

    It simply describes the way the bandmembers dress and present themselves. In that case VERY elaborate, rather dark/goth, heavy make up, long hair, lots of black or white and contrasting bold colors and a dramatic/serious biz attitude on stage.

    So yes, some looks of both, especially phantasmagoria (kiryu are a little different because of their 'traditional' vibe, I think...?) can be considered kotekote.

     

    While many popular 90s bands can't. Kuroyume are not kotekote. Pierrot are not Kotekote.　Baiser are kotekote. But the big kotekote-craze wasn't even in the 90s, it's rather around 2001 I think.

     

    A definition that includes the music and fits typical 'oldschool' bands better is 'jariban'.

  8. Posted

    But for every 'phase' that kuroyume went through you can find a handful of bands copying it.

     

    For their dark indies days it's obviously every gothy nagoya-band ever in existence.

    For their first major album it's (early) dir en grey and every band that sounded like them.

    For their feminism/pop phase it's bands like SID.

    and so on.

  11. Posted

    So, here it is. Once again I highly recommend playing the song while reading.

     

    http://youtu.be/v7UxERWDPYs

     

    ナイフ
    Naifu
    Knife

    Sharp ｋnife ～ha

    愛しい君を連れ出して　スキ間とスキ間擦り抜ける
    Itoshī kimi o tsuredashite
    I'll take you with me, my darling
    Sukima to sukima surinukeru
    We'll escape, slipping through a loophole

    あらゆる果てまで行こうよ　限りなく闇を見る僕等だよ
    Arayuru hate made ikō yo
    Let's go to all limits
    Kagirinaku yami o miru bokura da yo
    There we are, looking at this endless dark

    いと死い君を連れ出して　万華鏡の様な涙を越える
    Itoshī* kimi o tsuredashite
    I'll take you with me, my darling
    Mangekyō no yōna namida o koeru
    Leaving this kaleidoscope of tears behind
    ニヒルな君が導いて　遠くを見つめて　サ・ヨ・ウ・ナ・ラ
    Nihiruna kimi ga michibiite
    You, the nihilist will show the way
    Tōku o mitsumete
    Stare into the distance
    sa・yo・u・na・ra
    And say goodbye

    重なる君と僕は　溶けて渦巻く
    Kasanaru kimi to boku wa
    You and me, we are overlapping
    Tokete uzumaku
    Melting into a vortex
    誰も居ないよ　此処は　鍵をかけたよ
    Dare mo inai yo   Koko wa
    There's nobody here
    kagi o kaketa yo
    I locked the door
    最高の微笑を浮かべて　血まみれになろう
    Saikō no emi o ukabete
    Show me your sweetest smile
    Chimamire ni narou
    As we get drenched in blood
    それは　とても　痛くて　とても　苦しいけど・・・
    Sore wa
    This is
    Totemo   Itakute
    So painful
    Totemo 　Kurushī　kedo...
    So agonizing and still...

    Sharp knife ～ha
    腕を並べ切って
    Ude o narabe kitte
    Lay your arm next to mine and cut
    Sharp knife ～ha
    君ト僕は　溶け合う
    Kimi to boku wa  Tokeau
    You and me   Melting together
    Sharp knife ～ha
    腕を並べ切って
    Ude o narabe kitte
    Lay your arm next to mine and cut
    Sharp knife ～ha
    僕らは　身体をス・テ・タ
    Bokura wa   Karada o su・te・ta
    We threw away our bodies

    急かす(早く…**)
    Sekasu (Hayaku...)
    Urging me (Quickly...)
    君の(これで…)
    Kimi no (kore de...)
    Your (with this...)
    穏やかな声(ずっと…)
    Odayakana koe (zutto...)
    Gentle voice (forever...)

    深く切った(痛いね)　此の世の分まで
    Fukaku kitta (Itai ne)
    You cut so deep (It hurts)
    Konoyo no bun made
    As deep as this life

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    *The 'shi' in 'itoshii kimi'(my darling) is written as '死'(death) here.
    **What the girl is whispering isn't included in the original lyrics.

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  12. Posted

    Meine bekommen alle drei gnadenlos die Krallen gestutzt. Schlimm genug, dass das vordere Ende stachelig ist.

    Außerdem will ich doch in die weichen Katzenbäuche prusten ohne den Verlust meines Augenlichts zu riskieren. (?? Oder doch 'ohne mein Augenlicht zu riskieren'? Man riskiert ja schließlich auch sein Leben, nicht seinen Tod. Oder geht beides?)

     

    Ich denke, der deutsche Zoll ist besonders gemein.

    Andererseits... muss man in Österreich nicht dafür mehr Steuern zahlen?

  14. Posted

    Now I'm a little confused.

     

    I thought this thread was about 'THE' song that 'defines' a band. Like the song they always play live, that makes the whole audience scream, that has a strong connection to the band concept, has tours named after it, carries a strong meaning for the fans etcetc.

    You simply know which song it is when you see a band in concert for the 3rd or 4th time. (Well of course, if they have a very long or changed styles there might be several choices.)

    I think naming it is very easy for anyone that has been following a band for many years.

     

    Otherwise it's a bit like 'The one you like best.'

  18. Posted

    Cool thread!

     

    I think that -THE- song isn't easy to make out for every band, especially those that changed their style sometime. Or well, for bands you aren't a hardcore-fan of, because you have no idea what their live-playlists usually are.

     

    But some are indeed very obvious.

     

    For ヴィドール I'd say it's オカルトプロポーズ.

    Their first single.

    So of course it's not their best selling one or the one that made them famous over night (they just became famous gradually, because they were so good, I guess.) BUT It's the one song that's most closely connected to their concept (Occult romance) and they played it all the way until their disbandment. It's also a very typical ヴィドール song.

    Medium-paced ballad with melodic twin guitars, dramatic singing and the prominent bass and drumline that defined their style during their first period.

    Also typical shabby video from the early 00s when you had to film a pv, but didn't have the money to pay a decent one.

     

    http://youtu.be/A2rGEcKuPXY

     

     

     

    As for La'Mule it's without a doubt ナイフ.

    Not their best-selling single, either. (That must have been 結界.) But the absolute peek of their career.

    Like Vidoll, they gradually gained fame and at the time they released ナイフ they were something like the most popular indies band of their time. Shortly after that the big 'extinction' of oldschool visual kei happened. La'Mule's label closed down and they lost lots of fans.

    But ナイフ still sounds like it was made for huge venues.

    I think that it's very defining for their style. Very energetic and fast, yet full of melancholy. 'Love and Blood/Suicide' is also a central motive.

    They played ナイフ at every concert. It was also the last song they performed before their activity-pause and the last one they played at their last live.

     

    http://youtu.be/OXMUwGUeYwM

  20. Posted

    Sorry, I'm a little slow with the requests orz

    Studying for university eats up all my time. However- Here is the first one!

     

    http://youtu.be/hKKnxkXVjaI

     

    eccentric marxist

    寄生サレタ体ノ一部 取リ出シテ覗イテ
    Kisei sareta karada no ichibu
    One part of the infested body
    Toridashite nozoite miru
    I remove it, peek underneath and
    ミルノソノ中 ハッキリトシタ夢？現実？

    Sono naka hakkiri to shita yume?
    What I see inside, is it a lucid dream?
    Genjitsu?
    Reality?
    取リ出シタ体ノ一部 抜ケ殻ハアナタニ
    Toridashita karada no ichibu
    One removed part of the body
    Nukegara wa anata ni ageru
    アゲルノソノ中ハッキリトシタ夢？現実？
    The flayed skin is for you
     Sono naka hakkiri to shita yume?
    Inside of what I give you, is  it a lucid dream?
    Genjitsu?
    Reality?

    ミ・エ・ナ・ク・テ・モ ト・ド・カ・ナ・ク・テ・モ
    Mi・e・na・ku・te・mo
    If・we・can't・see・it
    To・do・ka・na・ku・te・mo
    If・we・can't・reach・it

    見世物の視覚的感情 あなたに渡せない物
    Misemono no shikaku-teki kanjō
    The visual sensation of things
    Anata ni watasenai mono
    Things that can't be carried over to you
    空間の世界が合わせ合う あなたと一つになる為に
    Kūkan no sekai ga awase au
    The spatial world remoulds
    Anata to hitotsu ni naru tame ni
    In order to become one with you

    未来は無くても気付けば 温もりの中で遠く
    Mirai wa nakute mo kidzukeba
    If you care if there's no future
    nukumori no naka de tōku
    Far away in the warmth
    為すべき事も出来ずに 君がゆえにとても言えない
    Nasubeki koto mo dekizu ni
    Unable to do what you ought to
    kimi ga yueni totemo ienai
    You simply don't dare telling us
     

    ------

    The 'marxism' in this song is mainly atheism. (Looking for a soul inside the body, questioning the existence of god altogether.) But there are also some references to materialism. (The visible things)

    I think the text by Marx that might have inspired kon to write this are the theses on Feuerbach.

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