Keiyuu 745 Posted March 19, 2014 I noticed some very strange things about Kisaki's bands Levia and LAYBIAL, which were around in 1993 and 1994. For example, this is the tracklisting of the MISS tape by LAYBIAL.01. Dejavu02. MISS03. virginig Plesures04. Refuse05. MOTHER06. One More LoveOfficial source: http://under-ground-music.com/kisakihppart/english/DiscShosai.php?shohinNo=000009Also in the mid-90s there was a band called VICE∞RISK. They released the tape Mother and this is the tracklist:01. Virgining Plesures02. Refuse03. Mother04. One More LoveI saw the lyrics sheet with my own eyes, so I can confirm that it's real.Now let's look at Levia's KELOID tape:01. KELOID02. PRAYOfficial source: http://under-ground-music.com/kisakihppart/english/DiscShosai.php?shohinNo=000007Around the same time there was a band called Nude of J. Their 傷痕 demo looks like this:01. KELOID02. 恋に焦がれ愛に埋もれ03. PRAYI also saw a sheet of this tape, the tracklist is legit. I can upload pics of the VICE∞RISK and Nude of J tracklists, if you guys want to see a proof. So.. Can anyone explain this? For me, it doesn't make sense at all.VICE∞RISK and Nude of J seem to be COMPLETELY unrelated to Kisaki or his bands. I even compared the member names, because sometimes members went into different bands and rerecorded songs they've written for another band, but there's not a single similar name anywhere.Was Kisaki making things up when he decided to release information about this old bands and just took random songtitles of obscure bands from that time? O: Or did the bands just covered each other, which is highly unlikely... I know there's a KISAKI history book out there. Maybe someone here owns it, so we could compare the titles? But I'm 99% sure that it will contain the same information as on that UCP site. 14 desparejo86, IGM_Oficial, Tetora and 11 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeus 7997 Posted March 19, 2014 Kisaki's been caught for tax fraud before, so it's not implausible that either He made it up on the spot and no one questioned him (Far less likely) His bands ripped off of those bands entirely Since no one seems to own a copy of Levia/LAYBIAL stuff AFAIK, it's most likely number one. No way that stuff from Kisaki's past can disappear - after all, he is the king of repackaging and selling music. 1 avaritonista reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digi 192 Posted March 19, 2014 Interesting topic, to say the very least. I'd have to agree with Zess on this one. Doesn't seem all too surprising for Kisaki to do something like that imo. Stills makes me wonder, though. There's just no way those albums could be coincidentally identical (mostly identical, at least). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokage 5930 Posted March 19, 2014 #Wikisakileaks But yeah, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Kisaki just made these bands up by himself. 7 1 paradoxal, PsychoΔelica, Jigsaw9 and 5 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elias 178 Posted March 20, 2014 KI$AKI is a reptilian from the hollow earth and supreme master of the Illuminati srsly now.. there's also another band from the 90's named Levia never saw a single trace of the actual existence of KISAKI's Levia other than those originally comming from own KI$AKI's sources 1 avaritonista reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Champ213 1858 Posted March 20, 2014 Official source: http://under-ground-music.com/kisakihppart/english/DiscShosai.php?shohinNo=000009 Sorry for going a bit off-topic, but since you linked this here.... has anyone here ever bought something from the Under Ground Music shop? I stumbled across that page a while ago and even back then it looked kinda neglected. But it has all those demotapes of those old Matina bands for download in much better quality than those old rips floating around, so that's really tempting... I made an account back then and proceeded to checkout, where it asked me to pay via credit card or WebMoney. Now, getting some prepaid online credit card is not that difficult, but I wonder if buying there actually still works, or if Kisaki will just keep my money and no downloads are ever to be seen, lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keiyuu 745 Posted March 20, 2014 never saw a single trace of the actual existence of KISAKI's Levia other than those originally comming from own KI$AKI's sources Exactly.. I haven't seen any real evidence for these bands either. On this fansite here are even pictures of SHEY≠DE and GARDEN (probably from the history book?), but none of Levia and LAYBIAL. http://www.yurameki.it/kisaki/kisaki-bands.html Oh and in case someone doesn't know.. That pic when you click on LAYBIAL's profile is a Matina band from the late 90s. They also fucked up their lineup by adding Kisaki as the 1st bassist, lol. And more stuff I noticed.. When you compare the title of another Kisaki-Levia tape to the one of the other 90s Levia band (which definitely exists), there's some similarity as well. Kisaki: 滅 序章 not Kisaki: 滅びの序章 The sound and look of this band also fits perfectly into the time Kisaki's band supposedly was around (1992-1994). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inartistic 1151 Posted March 20, 2014 Hahahah, it's a great theory! But...Well, besides that there's no point in making up 1 year of band history... Sherlock says simplest explanation is probably right: KISAKI makes up 1 year of band history, or KISAKI copies some song titles? As elias mentions, there's another Levia―well, there's also another LAYBIAL, GARDEN, De=prive, Vice†risk, Of-J (several オブジェ)...You have these young boys running around in shit-fucking-tiny bands playing terrible copycat music in the no-internet Stone Age wasteland of 1993... My point is: they probably just copied each others' band names/titles/cool phrases, and were so small that no one cared.As for those DTs not being online, IMO KISAKI is the only one who owns those tapes anymore because he's the only person on the planet who cared enough to save them. Any girl who was into 1993's LAYBIAL got married and threw that shit out before VK even reached the internet, you know? And KISAKI probably doesn't share them because they're embarrassing/he doesn't have the rights.Also: I own a Levia tape and have seen others, so that definitely ends the theory.---That being said, no clue if the songs themselves were copies of those other bands! Would only know if I had rips of all the tapes to compare. So you can still form conspiracy theories about that !--- Sorry for going a bit off-topic, but since you linked this here.... has anyone here ever bought something from the Under Ground Music shop? I stumbled across that page a while ago and even back then it looked kinda neglected. But it has all those demotapes of those old Matina bands for download in much better quality than those old rips floating around, so that's really tempting... I made an account back then and proceeded to checkout, where it asked me to pay via credit card or WebMoney. Now, getting some prepaid online credit card is not that difficult, but I wonder if buying there actually still works, or if Kisaki will just keep my money and no downloads are ever to be seen, lol. It was worth buying from there, 'cause the MP3s were from original masters. Unfortunately their credit card system is offline now, BUT you can find almost all of those MP3s on the Matina DEMO TAPE COLLECTIONS CD-R which UNDER CODE released (I think there's a rip up somewhere on MH?) 3 Champ213, avaritonista and diamondAss reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brandon 18 Posted March 20, 2014 He was 16~17 years old.These teen guys always try to copy their heroes. 1 avaritonista reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keiyuu 745 Posted March 20, 2014 He was 16~17 years old. These teen guys always try to copy their heroes. Sorry, but how are some obscure teen bands who were probably as "big" as Kisaki's band "heroes" for them...? As for the fact that it was common to copy certain phrases and titles: Yeah that's true, when you look at a number of vk bands you may see some similar titles here and there. But THIS is just too conspicuous.. I mean.. They just took a whole tracklist and simply copy-pasted it. Maybe added 1-2 songs. I don't know but it's just extremely weird that something like this was done on purpose, concerning at least 3 different bands. I haven't seen anything like this in any other vk band. This would also mean that they all had to be from the same region. How else could have such tiny bands heard about each other and even know their song titles (and the order in which they recorded them on their demo tape...)? According to Kisaki's official site (which I just found), Levia were from Wakayama (Kisaki's birth town). Nude of J (formed 1 year before Levia) were from Gunma prefecture, which is nearly half across Japan from the Wakayama area. Or maybe the 15-17 year old Kisaki traveled around Japan and went to numerous lives of bands who were together for a month and thought "FUCK YEAH! KELOID, PRAY, VIRGINING PLESURES! Guys I have no idea what it means but your song titles rock my socks! Hell, I'll make a band when I'm home and use all of them (including spelling mistakes)" No seriously... it seems a little bit too far-fetched. :/ Also: I own a Levia tape and have seen others, so that definitely ends the theory. Wow, which tape is it? Can you tell us about the songs on it? 1 1 avaritonista and zaa_zaa reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takadanobabaalien 3607 Posted March 20, 2014 illuminati 1 1 avaritonista and sai reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lestat 2167 Posted March 20, 2014 Kisaki's been notorious ever since he picked up that bass. He might as well have sold those lost tracks to other bands. 1 avaritonista reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peace Heavy mk II 7200 Posted March 20, 2014 I hope he redistributes those early tapes for some anniversary. I love crappy teen-kei demos. 1 avaritonista reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeus 7997 Posted March 20, 2014 Also: I own a Levia tape and have seen others, so that definitely ends the theory. Be a hero for us! You're one of the few people who actually own one, so you can do the comparisons and see if the similarities stop at the names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elias 178 Posted March 20, 2014 also noticed that none of those supposed members of his supposed two first bands Levia and LAYBIAL have ever been in any other band after or prior to them, that's weird and feeds the conspiracy theory... I'd guess KI$AKI faked them but as inartistic already stated he owns a KI$AKI's Levia tape... members of the non-KI$AKI Levia if anyone's interested: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elias 178 Posted March 20, 2014 there's a brief band history with gigs and all for his Levia here: http://www22.big.or.jp/~yunisan/vi/levia.html I don't believe he'd have the nerve to fake that too, it'd be way too barefaced and easy to uncloak... Once Levia is proven to have existed, the dubiety is about all the incredible coincidences involving songtitles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keiyuu 745 Posted March 20, 2014 The gigs seem to be copied from his official site:http://kisaki-official.syncl.jp/?p=custom&id=18393444 Well, I don't want to claim Levia (or LAYBIAL) never existed, but that thing with the songtitles is really beyond me... Here are the pictures of the two tapes I mentioned, btw. Nude of J VICE RISK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elias 178 Posted March 21, 2014 17 1 Champ213, sai, suji and 15 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradoxal 2948 Posted March 21, 2014 Omg I seriously can't stop laughing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brandon 18 Posted March 21, 2014 I tried to find the live house archives, wherein Levia and Laybial supposedly played.I felt myself at the gate of victory, but... http://www5.big.or.jp/~gio/memories/index.htmlAll sites are under construction... Kisaki's hand reach everywhere. 1 avaritonista reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Biopanda 2675 Posted March 21, 2014 The 1993 page has a ton of LEVIA lives listed, but given the time frame I'll assume that was the other LEVIA XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keiyuu 745 Posted March 21, 2014 Yeah, this has to be the other Levia. According to Kisaki's site his Levia never played in CLUB GIO. They were just a local Wakayama band who had nearly all their shows in this live house: http://www.first-take.co.jp/oldtime/main.cgi But their live schedule only goes back to 2006... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikna 1225 Posted March 21, 2014 I really wanna see that supposed tape. Proper photos or scans of cover and tracklist please, because I am actually sceptical that it's legit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyura 465 Posted April 3, 2014 Wow, I only saw this thread now. : o So I'm a bit late to the party. Kisaki bashing used so be a popular sport so as his fan I feel like a traitor to say this but: Well. Kisaki was also the guy who took random pictures from google and uploaded them to his blog to look like he had a life. So yeah it doesn't seem that unlikely for him to invent those releases or even bands afterwards to make his history more colorful. The 'Beyond the kingdom' book has the same release- and live-history infos that were already posted and no pictures of either bands. It doesn't say much about Laybial in the history part at all either, only that they were a 'positive punk' band and toured other cities as well. KISAKI left them very fast. It has, however, some stuff about Levia: appearently they were extremely popular in wakayama, even referred to as 'super band', that's why they played so many oneman lives (pretty unusual for a young band like that!), they often appeared in the local press and played as OA for major bands. The sound was aggressive. I also looked through my old mags and found some 'Kisaki photo gallery' in a minikomi from '99! No photo/mention of levia, but two pictures of Laybial. One of them is commented with '1994.5.30 Umeda Guild, Even between the photos I have this one is pretty old. Because this band is currently with Matina there's propably lots of people who are like 'what?' now. The details are secret.' ... So the live history of that band seems to be legit I guess. ;D The other photo is dated 1994.9.21... which is technically when he was already in his next band. : o So no idea. As for those DTs not being online, IMO KISAKI is the only one who owns those tapes anymore because he's the only person on the planet who cared enough to save them. Any girl who was into 1993's LAYBIAL got married and threw that shit out before VK even reached the internet, you know? And KISAKI probably doesn't share them because they're embarrassing/he doesn't have the rights.Also: I own a Levia tape and have seen others, so that definitely ends the theory. I doubt those tapes would disappear just like that. : o 200 and 300 presses is not that few and Kisaki was a famous guy from early on, at least from La'Sadies he made it pretty big in the indies scene, so at least a couple would have made their way to second hand shops and the like. Just like with many other tapes from old nobody bands whose members got famous later on. What does it say on that Levia tape? ;O; I'm curious. edit: there is a blog entry here where kisaki says he visited Levias guitarist in Wakayama who is now married with the woman who was their staff at that time. : o But the photo is some UCP people. XD (at least not stolen from google!) 2 1 avaritonista, Peace Heavy mk II and Laurence02 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keiyuu 745 Posted April 5, 2014 I also looked through my old mags and found some 'Kisaki photo gallery' in a minikomi from '99! No photo/mention of levia, but two pictures of Laybial. One of them is commented with '1994.5.30 Umeda Guild, Even between the photos I have this one is pretty old. Because this band is currently with Matina there's propably lots of people who are like 'what?' now. The details are secret.' ... So the live history of that band seems to be legit I guess. ;D The other photo is dated 1994.9.21... which is technically when he was already in his next band. : o So no idea. I don't think this is a definitive proof. The pictures could be of any other band from that time where he played as a guest musician or something like that. Is he even recognizable on those pics? A scan would be nice, if it's not too much trouble! Especially the fact that the second "LAYBIAL" photo is from a time where he already was in SHEY≠DE. Also, "The details are secret". Yeah sure, guess why... Well. Kisaki was also the guy who took random pictures from google and uploaded them to his blog to look like he had a life. Wow, I didn't know that! Well, things like this and also THIS: edit: there is a blog entry here where kisaki says he visited Levias guitarist in Wakayama who is now married with the woman who was their staff at that time. : o But the photo is some UCP people. XD (at least not stolen from google!) are even more reasons not to believe what he writes about his history... @ inartistic Please, we all want to see that tape! D: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
