Ikna

fact: SEX ANDROID >>>>>>> SEX-ANDROID

@Ikna that's sad, but I hope they will come again so you will be able to see them! ☺

They were supposed to play live where I live, but thanks to Covid that's cancelled. never saw them live and wanted to check it out ;/

the 3 12012 mini's from 2004 are gold gold gold

Early UCP is fucking classic

Well, since we were talking about post-punk influences… I am certain G-Schmitt had a huge influence on this trope, as they had a few songs with spoken parts. Here is one song, that always reminds me heavily of the dark 90s VK bands:
 
 
The intro of this Gilles de Rais song is also very Deshabillz-esque (and features Lucifer from Gille's Love)
 
 
So I'd say it's been around quite some time, just like counting on German (earliest use by Zi:Kill afaik).
 
 

Well, since we were talking about post-punk influences… I am certain G-Schmitt had a huge influence on this trope, as they had a few songs with spoken parts. Here is one song, that always reminds me heavily of the dark 90s VK bands:
 
 
The intro of this Gilles de Rais song is also very Deshabillz-esque (and features Lucifer from Gille's Love)
 
 
So I'd say it's been around quite some time, just like counting on German (earliest use by Zi:Kill afaik).
 
 

@Himeaimichu The only explanation I have is that goth in itself is so heavily misunderstood and our subculture was often mistaken for a lot of things that have barely anything to do with it. The scene has kinda developed a disdain to be linked to anything vaguely non-post-punk and it's very anal about categorizations. For the same reason it's become impossible to bring up "proper" gothic metal á la Type O Negative to the table. You will be shutdown quite fast for these people will "educate" you how bands like type o are 100% metal and metal isn't goff. It doesn't matter that Type O's sound is heavily influenced by post-punk or that a gothic metal band like Paradise Lost straight covered a bunch of goth rock bands like the Sisters of Mercy.
 
I guess it's the same with VK. Goths don't want to be confused with/linked to VK fandom and japanese heavy rock music. I remember that tension already existed way back in 2007, when some goth people I knew were very pissed off by the fact that Moi dix Mois were playing at WGT. (the irony here is, that a  lot of music at the WGT festival isn't even goth, but EBM, Metal…). Their argument was that this new invasion of japanese "faux-goth" will muddle the scene. Believe me, I tried educating some friends about the links between early Vk and post-Punk, but they keep insisting, that VK, because of its Metal influences nowadays, is a blight on the scene andhas no connection.

It's an ok video, but I am bothered by how people like her are denying the huge influence british and japanese goth bands had on early VK. Sure, they are not the same thing, but there were some heavy connections…

Some Suggestions (though some of them may also be from early 90s): DIE-QUÄR, Media-Youth, D≒SIRE, Silver~Rose, L'yse:nore, Canary, Speed-ID, Rapture, FANATIC◇CRISIS, Maschera, Kneuklid Romance, Romance for~

Pretty sure there's plenty others, the early to mid 90s were the best time for VK, lots of great bands as the scene exploded and reached its peak.

Some Suggestions (though some of them may also be from early 90s): DIE-QUÄR, Media-Youth, D≒SIRE, Silver~Rose, L'yse:nore, Canary, Speed-ID, Rapture, FANATIC◇CRISIS, Maschera, Kneuklid Romance, Romance for~

Pretty sure there's plenty others, the early to mid 90s were the best time for VK, lots of great bands as the scene exploded and reached its peak.

@saiko I am sure as time goes on even "the stuff that matters" will become rare. For some reason japanese bands aren't really good with archiving or conservation of their stuff, already there are so many old releases from the 80s and 90s that don't have any reprints, won't ever get one and thus are likely to become rare. I actually wonder what happens with many of the masters, do japanese labels withhold them from bands and the public,  like some western ones did? (like Universal Studio, until the place where they stored all the stuff burned to te ground and a lot of media is now forever lost)
 
I generally have this feeling that a lot of the media that we consume nowadays is fleeting and ephemeral and will not last as long as some other art from previous eras.
 
Edit: also I know you meant the download links and not so much physical releases, but even dl links will be gone. I can't see mediafire still existing in 2080… 

@saiko I am sure as time goes on even "the stuff that matters" will become rare. For some reason japanese bands aren't really good with archiving or conservation of their stuff, already there are so many old releases from the 80s and 90s that don't have any reprints, won't ever get one and thus are likely to become rare. I actually wonder what happens with many of the masters, do japanese labels withhold them from bands and the public,  like some western ones did? (like Universal Studio, until the place where they stored all the stuff burned to te ground and a lot of media is now forever lost)
 
I generally have this feeling that a lot of the media that we consume nowadays is fleeting and ephemeral and will not last as long as some other art from previous eras.
 
Edit: also I know you meant the download links and not so much physical releases, but even dl links will be gone. I can't see mediafire still existing in 2080… 

They have been doing this since at least this spring. There used to be a discussion about this on their support forum, which seems to have been removed as well by the staff, but an archived version exists under this link: https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/why-did-last-fm-decide-to-kill-a-bunch-of-artist-pages?
 

R.I.P your account 

Gesu I'll be your bodyguard

To add to that, how would language be culturally appropriated anyway? It's not like anyone owns language.

@Zeus - so true. It seems in general that people are growing more and more intolerant of anything outside of their own world view, and both their ability and willingness to think is compromised as a result. It's like anything that doesn't result in an immediate dopamine spike is quickly discarded as "toxic". It's a sad state of affairs.
 
@Gesu - I'm glad we've been able to help foster such an environment!
 

the internet is quickly fragmenting into groups based on socioeconomic, sociopolitical, and political lines. i felt like this was going to happen because all the algorithms do is show you things it thinks you will like, which tends to be things that validate your world view, so social media networks are the equivalent of depressed people yelling into the digital void. for as ancient as a forum is, there's personality here that big social networks can't replicate.

access to recording equipment and daw's has totally changed the game. i think so much of the 'old indie' sound has credit due to the last era of straightforward recording techniques, before drum triggers, melodyne, and softsynths became the new staples of record production.
 
it hurts the most when i hear a new band who's got something interesting going on creatively, but its packaged in this gloss of fake drums, self-recorded and surgeon-ed production. atleast the cheap recordings of decades before had an essence of life and passion to them. maybe thats hopeless nostalgia....

Depends. As an "artist" who paints both traditional and digital you can make both look great. Both media have heir pros and cons and digital really isn't that much easier, nor objectively shittier. Sometimes it takes even more time than painting traditionally (also 3D animation isn't easy peasy either, you have to really learn it).

I think the problem is more that modern animes are produced fast and cheap and there isn't much time invested to make it good from the get go (see the enhanced BluRay releases, while the initial premier on TV is the crappy alpha version).
 
The industry has become pretty unforgiving (you either loose a lot of money or you win a lot) and studios try to cash in as best as possible, hence they produce way too much in shorter timeframes. Hell, most animators nowadays work themselves to death with 12+ hour workdays, yet earn almost nothing. They need to puke out these new episodes like a machine. I think there was recently an animator who died because of overworking.

Depends. As an "artist" who paints both traditional and digital you can make both look great. Both media have heir pros and cons and digital really isn't that much easier, nor objectively shittier. Sometimes it takes even more time than painting traditionally (also 3D animation isn't easy peasy either, you have to really learn it).

I think the problem is more that modern animes are produced fast and cheap and there isn't much time invested to make it good from the get go (see the enhanced BluRay releases, while the initial premier on TV is the crappy alpha version).
 
The industry has become pretty unforgiving (you either loose a lot of money or you win a lot) and studios try to cash in as best as possible, hence they produce way too much in shorter timeframes. Hell, most animators nowadays work themselves to death with 12+ hour workdays, yet earn almost nothing. They need to puke out these new episodes like a machine. I think there was recently an animator who died because of overworking.

Youngest fans probably think Grieva invented everything 😂

who's dir en grey?

because he's an anime otaku