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I feel you 100% on this. As an African Descendant of Slavery, I've experienced similar situations. Who would be more qualified to speak on a culture than someone who's already fully immersed in it? I hate when I see these non-"black" SJW types parading around as "allies", when over half of these muhfukkas don't even truly fuck with "black" ppl like that. Most of these ppl don't even want to live around "black" folk, which tells you how they REALLY feel about us. And a lot of these SJW-types champion ideologies that are harmful and destructive to "black" ppl in general.
 
But yeah, I wouldn't even sweat those people. They're more interested in policing the thoughts and actions of others than their own. They wanna change the world by changing other ppl instead of just being the change they want to see. It's ass-backwards...

As you get older you change and so do the things you like. Once upon a time I used to watch harem/ecchi anime and listen to the gazette after. Now there’s one of those things I wouldn’t touch if my life depended on it. So I think it’s only normal for people to let go of something they got into as teenagers. I also think that being unwillingly to explore other music will make you go off vk faster.
 
In my later teen years I went off vk completely for about a year or two, I was just too busy to be involved with the scene, even after I came back to it I still had a year where I went in a deep search to expand my musical horizons. Now things have levelled off and I can move between western music, pop, Kpop, Vkei and everything in between. Another factor that makes people drop off: this scene requires time investment and the older you get the harder it is to make that investment. As your favourite bands die, the only way to keep interest going is by discovering new things in the scene, be it older bands you didn’t know or newer bands. Don’t forget, nowadays the average teen’s attention span is less than a goldfish’s so they’ll move to the next thing that makes them horny without a second thought and considering kpop merch is not only cheaper, but constantly being pumped out and more readily available than vk chekkis will ever be I can’t blame people for not sticking with vk for long. Kpop community is more active and widespread which does a lot to stimulate the senses.
 
What keeps me coming back to vkei is the angst and artistic side of it all. You just can’t find it anywhere else, even if it is fake lol. I don’t know if I’ll ever let go of it completely, like Dispo said I’m in it for the long haul.
 
 

I think a lot of that feeling of people coming and going stems from the western boom years and like other people said, from the fact that it has somehow been hogtied into the same brain rot caravan with Kpop and therefore people tend to become aware of both simultaneously, allowing for lateral movement between the two. Then there's that other breed of us getting into our 30's finally coming to grips with mortality and that this is a very fruitless endeavor, so now there's also these existential crisis' going on with the older guard. This basically goes a long way to explain why everyone in this scene is so fucking stupid, you were either into a dumb fad when you got in or you were dumb enough to stay for too long. 
 
But like, about the psychology of people who come and go, being gya one day and rastafari the next — I never got that. I have, my entire life more or less, liked the same things and I never really dropped out of anything. There's some faux pas you'll find from the times when I was like exploring stuff like western metal when I was 16, but everyone goes through that one way or another when you build your frame of reference and refine your taste and ideas of what music should be about. The people who change every word in their bio on an yearly basis with only the words "I stan" remaining in place can't be counted on for anything. How do they even finish meals is beyond me let alone stick with something when everything they do is so dependent on if the weather is fair. They're the same people who'll abandon their folks into a home, but take a taxi from another city once the inheritance is on offer; just picking the carcass of cultural capital that other people worked for, that other people laboured to put out there. I'm in this shit for the long haul and this relationship will end only when one of us dies, either me or the scene. No matter how reprehensible I think the scene operates or what I think of the fucking people in it, it's still important to me. 

This has already been kinda touched upon earlier ITT, but one thing I've noticed within the VK fandom more than within basically ANY of the other music spheres I've dipped my toes into is that a ton of people who get into VK seem to act as if the only bands that exist are the ones that are currently active, and any group that's disbanded/on hiatus/whatever just vanishes into oblivion as soon as the new looks and singles stop popping up. There's this tendency for people to basically treat the scene the same way tons of anime fans treat anime - "if it's not part of the current season then i pretend not to see it". Considering the ridiculous turnover rate that most VK bands themselves tend to have, this can easily lead to situations where people suddenly find themselves left without their faves even within the span of just months. 

if you want a bit of perspective, people were getting bored of vk and moving onto kpop back when kpop was a niche scene (think 2007-ish), most of them never returned; newer fans came in.
 
when @sleepy coffee noted that kpop stans started a cross-over to our underdog glam cumhouse genré I couldn't kinda believe it but times change;
I was surprised that kamijo has new stans in their early 20s and they are men, so I guess VK does something right to bring in fresh blood.
 
I tried branching out in the western metal a few years ago and the potential effort in finding decent sounding bands with somewhat not braindead online fanbases for the most part wasn't worth it.

I think one of the reasons VK might have such a high turn over rate is that a lot of people who listen to VK seems to listen to VK only. That's not an healthy way to approach an "hobby", and one is bound to get tired of it. It's also hard to follow bands for a long time since the lifespan of a vk band is shorter than average, so that might be turn off for people after a while. 
 
Also the way VK is "marketed" is closer to idol music than it is to """normal""" music, and just like how people stop following idols at some point, the same happens with VK. I dont consider the visual kei > kpop passage to be moving from one thing to another, but moving to a different version of the same thing. 

Depends on why you were drawn to certain bands in the first place. I was into indie rock, alt rock, and death/black metal before I was a vk fan, so that coloured my taste in bands (nagoya kei + DEG), once [most] of those bands became inactive, I went back to the indie and alt rock I liked before. I'm sure if someone got into the scene with DIV or some cute oshare shit, that Kpop wouldn't be too far off from that sound. Kinda depends on ideology too--if you're an oshare fan BUT you're a weeb--you'll stay into that; whereas if you were into vk for the cute boys, kpop is the next logical step lol.

Hey, @nekkichi. Looks like the current forum software doesn't allow for that, but I'll look into it and see if there is a way to implement this. Thanks for your suggestion.

D'espairsRay's career post-"Coll:set"
Renter en soi's career post-"Sphire Croid"
I'd make HYDE's entire solo career sound like "ROENTGEN"
The production on MERRY's "Under-World" and "M. E. R. R. Y." albums
I'd make 9mm Parabellum Bullet stay indie and never sign to a major label.
I'd make LOSTAGE's original lineup remain in tact, instead of losing their 2nd guitarist.
 
that's all for now

D'espairsRay's career post-"Coll:set"
Renter en soi's career post-"Sphire Croid"
I'd make HYDE's entire solo career sound like "ROENTGEN"
The production on MERRY's "Under-World" and "M. E. R. R. Y." albums
I'd make 9mm Parabellum Bullet stay indie and never sign to a major label.
I'd make LOSTAGE's original lineup remain in tact, instead of losing their 2nd guitarist.
 
that's all for now

The world is in a precarious state right now, and If shit were to truly hit the fan, all these ideologies and beliefs that people are so deeply invested would no longer matter. What is your political identity gonna do for you when it's a famine and niggas is literally beating down your door trying to take your food cuz they're starving (and don't care if they have to take you out in order to do so)? What is feminism gonna do for you if the world literally descends into an actual rape-culture and you don't have any real men around to protect you?  What are your thoughts on race gonna matter if it's life or death and you have to depend on people that don't look like you?
 
I think about shit like this because it's frightening how detached we are from reality. I mean, if people can't even deal with dissenting opinions online, I fear for how mentally and spiritually equipped these ppl will be if shit get real out here. It's like ppl have built their entire lives and identities around computer programs, not realizing that the computer itself could one day lose power, crash, or simply be turned off.

Yeah but fuck the police. Everywhere.
 

The world is in a precarious state right now, and If shit were to truly hit the fan, all these ideologies and beliefs that people are so deeply invested would no longer matter. What is your political identity gonna do for you when it's a famine and niggas is literally beating down your door trying to take your food cuz they're starving (and don't care if they have to take you out in order to do so)? What is feminism gonna do for you if the world literally descends into an actual rape-culture and you don't have any real men around to protect you?  What are your thoughts on race gonna matter if it's life or death and you have to depend on people that don't look like you?
 
I think about shit like this because it's frightening how detached we are from reality. I mean, if people can't even deal with dissenting opinions online, I fear for how mentally and spiritually equipped these ppl will be if shit get real out here. It's like ppl have built their entire lives and identities around computer programs, not realizing that the computer itself could one day lose power, crash, or simply be turned off.

The world is in a precarious state right now, and If shit were to truly hit the fan, all these ideologies and beliefs that people are so deeply invested would no longer matter. What is your political identity gonna do for you when it's a famine and niggas is literally beating down your door trying to take your food cuz they're starving (and don't care if they have to take you out in order to do so)? What is feminism gonna do for you if the world literally descends into an actual rape-culture and you don't have any real men around to protect you?  What are your thoughts on race gonna matter if it's life or death and you have to depend on people that don't look like you?
 
I think about shit like this because it's frightening how detached we are from reality. I mean, if people can't even deal with dissenting opinions online, I fear for how mentally and spiritually equipped these ppl will be if shit get real out here. It's like ppl have built their entire lives and identities around computer programs, not realizing that the computer itself could one day lose power, crash, or simply be turned off.

The world is in a precarious state right now, and If shit were to truly hit the fan, all these ideologies and beliefs that people are so deeply invested would no longer matter. What is your political identity gonna do for you when it's a famine and niggas is literally beating down your door trying to take your food cuz they're starving (and don't care if they have to take you out in order to do so)? What is feminism gonna do for you if the world literally descends into an actual rape-culture and you don't have any real men around to protect you?  What are your thoughts on race gonna matter if it's life or death and you have to depend on people that don't look like you?
 
I think about shit like this because it's frightening how detached we are from reality. I mean, if people can't even deal with dissenting opinions online, I fear for how mentally and spiritually equipped these ppl will be if shit get real out here. It's like ppl have built their entire lives and identities around computer programs, not realizing that the computer itself could one day lose power, crash, or simply be turned off.

🖐i am a mom

I'm a real-ass nigga, so imma keep it real with you:
 
I think you petty as fuck, and half the time I think you be on some ho shit, but regardless of what you may think of me:
 
I still got love for ya bitch-ass .
 
You're an MH vet, and I've always loved your music taste, especially in J-indie. We've shared more than a few laughs together too. So not only am I thankful for your presence on MH, but you were there for me personally when I was a miserable, suicidally-depressed wreck and barely anyone was in my corner. You can't put a price on shit like that. I'll always be grateful to you for that.
 
I wish things were different, but it is what it is. Take care~
 

A lot of people can't tell apart Japanese from Chinese or Korean but I'll never forget that one time someone asked me to "read the Japanese" on their hoodie and it was actually Hebrew

real gamer shit only
 

We had this thread for a while before it died out:
 
 
But I'm not opposed to a strictly J-hip hop thread either.

A friend posted this on FB, and I thought it sounded really nice!
 
 

She may have just given birth to the anti-christ 

I feel you 100% on this. As an African Descendant of Slavery, I've experienced similar situations. Who would be more qualified to speak on a culture than someone who's already fully immersed in it? I hate when I see these non-"black" SJW types parading around as "allies", when over half of these muhfukkas don't even truly fuck with "black" ppl like that. Most of these ppl don't even want to live around "black" folk, which tells you how they REALLY feel about us. And a lot of these SJW-types champion ideologies that are harmful and destructive to "black" ppl in general.
 
But yeah, I wouldn't even sweat those people. They're more interested in policing the thoughts and actions of others than their own. They wanna change the world by changing other ppl instead of just being the change they want to see. It's ass-backwards...