Dir en grey

[Saishu 1589]

Hey the first kanji “ra” also means “gauze” ahahaha

[Pretsy 1343]

[KR] stands for "Kill Rambo" then. I know it, I have read it from Angelfire shrine bios, and I will buy into it 'cause it sounds truthful 

 

Trust me.

[Seelentau 884]

Don't know what [KR]Cube has to do with the meaning of a real Japanese/Chinese word, but oh well, do what you want.

Ignorance truly is bliss.

[LIDL 692]

Hmmm, I thought KR supposed to be くるり (kururi)  

[Seelentau 884]

Yes, but there's no source for that, is there?

 

The source for "Rasetsukoku" is the language itself, obviously.

[Saishu 1589]

It’s all so dorodoro

[Seelentau 884]

 

[Pretsy 1343]

On 1/22/2018 at 1:04 AM, Seelentau said:

 

Just see where "Rasetsukoku" sends you in the Chinese wikipedia: https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=羅剎國

It's an archaic word for the Western countries, especially Russia, and comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakshasa

That's all there is to it, really.

Protip:

 

Anyone can edit Wikipedia.

 

Also, I asked for literary references. Because I found none that could somehow link DEG to intentionally choosing such title because of some Mainland mythology around that time. Kyo might be the one getting uncanny ideas, but he ain't a scholar in Asia studies, lol.

 

[Seelentau 884]

Protip: Anyone can write a book, too.

I don't know if you think wikipedia is some kinda lawless wasteland, but it's certainly not.

Also, we never spoke about why DEG chose that title, stop moving the goal post please.

[Nowhere Girl 189]

While ensuring all sources are 100% correct is admirable, this is not a library nor an academic institution. It's an online forum to hang out and enjoy.

 

Kyo has been known to reference Asian mythology and frequently uses language in bizarre and creative ways. He doesn't need to be a "scholar" to do a ton of research of his own on subjects that interest him. Tbh, this may be as simple as using a word/concept that struck a chord with him and/or was in some way relevant to MACABRE.

 

If Rasetsukoku is some kind of allusion to Russia, that song may be book-ending the album in some way (even though it's not the final track). Deity is sung (supposedly) in Russian, and the melody is taken from Johannes Brahms' Hungarian Dance No. 5.

 

Seems straightforward enough to me.

 

What this has to do with the rest of the album is anyone's guess.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Nowhere Girl

[Saishu 1589]

Best answer to all these questions is “because Kyo fucking felt like it”.

[Seelentau 884]

I mean Deity is definitley Russian, according to the lyrics^^

Edited January 25, 2018 by Seelentau

[Pretsy 1343]

One problem here is that we actually never hear the band saying those titles or at least explaining them out loud (more than just seldom), so it is hard to tell which pronunciation is correct, what are the origins and for what reason. Like, do you guys remember this ARCHE case from a few years back? Was it Archie? ARUKEEH? Ar-HEE? AR-HEH? ARKEH?

 

I could care less whether Kyo did have something in his mind about European countries or Russia while penning that song, but what puzzles me is the way how these things are supposed to connect and for what purpose? My GAUZE copy only does this with the first track (after intro) and track ordering, and there is no book-ending song with titles, lyrics or any other literary allusions in German? Shouldn't MACABRE follow this suit then? Why would they book-end the album before the most sensitive ballads of that record?

 

There are mags about GAUZE songwriting all over the place, a bit less but as much about Kisou too, but Macabre has been always under-reported with regards to how it was written or how its songs were debuted for the very first time. God knows whatever that album was supposed to be according to Diru.

Edited January 26, 2018 by Alroy

[Saishu 1589]

I get pissed off when an album has “official” English translations for lyrics, but they don’t translate the song titles. 

 

And there are multiple ways to say “Arche”. DEG obviously chose “ar-kay”.

Edited January 26, 2018 by Saishu

[Seelentau 884]

It's absolutely not hard to know the pronounciation of the titles if you know Japanese, tbh^^

ARCHE is アルケー.

GAUZE is ガーゼ.

MACABRE is マカブラ.

:]

[Saishu 1589]

No, Gauze is gauze. I’m not calling it “ga-zay”.

 

Macabre also has several pronunciations, and I choose to go with “ma-kahb”. Though in the Macabre your dvd I did hear Toshiya refer to it as “ma-ka-bu-re”.

Edited January 26, 2018 by Saishu

[Seelentau 884]

ARCHE is "Aruke~".

GAUZE is "Ga~ze".

MACABRE is "Makabura".

But since they're all English loan words, you can just pronounce them like you would in proper English.

Edited January 26, 2018 by Seelentau

[Saishu 1589]

Well, Arche is actually Greek 

[Seelentau 884]

16 minutes ago, Saishu said:

Well, Arche is actually Greek 

"Arche" is English, the Greek word is "Arkhē". So they used the English word, but the Greek pronounciation (arkhē is pronouncedアルケー in Japanese).

[Saishu 1589]

Now let’s discuss why they went with Uroboros instead of Ouroboros. 

 

(please let’s not)

[Seelentau 884]

"Uroboros" is a transcription of ウロボロス, which in turn is the Japanese writing of οὐροβόρος (based on its pronounciation). "Ouroboros" would be the direct transcription of the Greek word.

Edited January 26, 2018 by Seelentau

[suji 8317]

i miss la:sadies

[Saishu 1589]

1 hour ago, Seelentau said:

"Uroboros" is a transcription of ウロボロス, which in turn is the Japanese writing of οὐροβόρος (based on its pronounciation). "Ouroboros" would be the direct transcription of the Greek word.

 

I SAID NO

[The Moon 989]

55 minutes ago, suji said:

i miss la:sadies

 

[nekkichi 6043]

1 hour ago, suji said:

i miss la:sadies

those were...simpler times