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  1. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    6 hours ago, Bear said:

    I don't agree at all. By putting black metal, prog, jazz, electronica, classical or whatever maingenre you can think about  after the avant-garde you'll get a much better idea about what type of avant-garde it is, because avant-garde can be a lot of different things. If you take a listen to the four albums below you'll get what I mean, and why I mean it's necessary.

     

    Yes but avant-garde can also have no real type of intended musical direction at all or cross over 20 different genres in the course of 1 song. So I do agree with you in a sense about adding an additional genre to to the already existing avant-garde just for clarity. But at the same time I think simply referring to them as simply avant-garde applies just as well.

     

    As for everything else you've said about the usefulness of the Post-black metal, I'm largely in agreement for the most part. 

     

    Btw you've been on topic. We're discussing all of the genres listed in the topic. lol

     

  2. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    5 hours ago, Bear said:

    What defines progressive or psychedelic black metal?

    What defines avant-garde black metal?

    No offense but I don't actually think there's much difference between the terms avant-garde, progressive, or experimental in any genre. 

     

    5 hours ago, Bear said:

    But you just can't say this about post-black metal as there isn't a specific element or trait that makes it into post-black metal. That's why a band sounding like A and a band sounding like Z suddenly belong to the same genre, even though they're not got anything in common.

    I get what you're saying, which is that the term Post-black metal is ill-defined and seemingly would apply to lots of other bands based on it's current usage.

     

    But again couldn't  you just say any band that doesn't meet the requirements to be  i.e. Melodic black metal, Symphonic, ambient, etc. Since all of the other Black metal sub-genres are clearly defined?

    5 hours ago, Bear said:

    What defines melodic black metal?

    What defines symphonic black metal?

    What defines ambient black metal?

    What defines progressive or psychedelic black metal?

    What defines avant-garde black metal?

    What defines post-black metal?

    So basically ask yourself all of these same questions and if whatever band in question doesn't fit then it's Post-black metal.

     

    5 hours ago, Bear said:

    But how on earth are you gonna explain to someone that Altar of Plagues' "White Tomb" and Lantlos' ".neon" belongs to the same genre when they in reality don't share any of the same elements and traits other than being rooted in black metal? They belong to the same subgenre, but neither have any of the same elements of traits in the music than make them belong to that genre.

    At the same time I fully get what you mean here though as you said there are no clear definitions. But like I was saying if you see that a Black metal that doesn't fit any other category. Of course I suppose any band of any genre will always fit into avant-garde, progressive, or experimental since all of these term vary little and basically mean experimental. To be honest I don't think avant-garde really even needs the additional genre tag i.e. avant-garde black metal, I think you could just simply call anything that is avant-garde simply avant-garde.

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    18 hours ago, Bear said:

    It's just experimental and non-traditional  black metal. But if we were to look at it like that 70% of all black metal out there would be post-black metal. Not really a fan of the post-black metal name tag at all. On one side of it you have Lantlos and Deafheaven who are considered post-black metal, and on the other side you have Fen, De Arma and Skagos who are not considered post-black metal. Despite all relying heavily on mixing black metal and post-rock. 

     

    And just to make it even more confusing. Amesoeurs and Lantlôs. Lantlôs' second album .neon, which are brilliant, are considered one of the best post-black metal albums around. But it's basically a rip-off of Amesoeurs with Neige of Alcest and Amesoeurs handling the vocals. The thing that makes it a bit confusing is that Amesoeurs is not considered post-black metal.

     

    When it comes to the post-hardcore thing you have bands like Bosse-de-Nage, Castevet, Scenery of Tomorrow and Cracked Vessel. But they're not post-black metal because they incorporate post-hardcore into their black metal, but they mix post-black metal and post-hardcore. It's hard to explain, so like I said I don't like  the post-black metal name tag at all.

    But couldn't this be solved by simply considering all of the bands who you are referring to who are left out Post-black metal? Because it seems you only have a problem with the tag in the sense that people are leaving certain bands out. But like I said you or anyone really could just consider them Post-black metal yourself and who really cares if other people don't? If you think these bands sound similar and are clearly playing the same type of music.

  10. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    3 hours ago, WhirlingBlack said:

    Also, he's clearly using the name "狂太郎" on his twitter which reads out to Kyotaro. KYO is just a shortened version of it for the twitter handle I assume.

    That may be the case now, but he was definitely going simply by KYO in both COCKROACH towards the end and LAST OF FATE without even using the kanji at all.

     

    Maybe it's a return to vk thing? Idk

  11. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    1 hour ago, suji said:

    haven't gotten to check any of these out yet but this is already my favorite music thread ♥

    Glad to hear. I thought I heard you mention on here before that you're a big black metal fan. Are you familiar with these sub and fusion genres? If you never have heard them I will say prepare for an amazing beautiful journey.

  14. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    51 minutes ago, reminiscing2004 said:

    https://wallower.bandcamp.com/

    ^ One of my favorite black metal inspired projects

    Never heard of them but I'll be sure to check them out and even by their releases if I like them enough. 

     

    Some of my favorites include: An Autumn for Crippled Children, Gnaw their Tongues, and Tyrant(Japan). 

    https://gnawtheirtongues.bandcamp.com/album/genocidal-majesty

     

     

     

    Edit: wait does Wallower only have that 1 ep?

  15. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    These are my favorite sub-genres and fusion-genres of Black metal. Blackgaze is a fusion of Black metal and Shoegaze, Post-black black metal is a little harder to explain as it is more experimental here's a description by @Bear

    It's black metal that's gone beyond the boundaries of what black metal was originally about, which in general means that there's hella lot of post-black metal out there. But in newer times it's a term often been applied to bands that mix either post-rock, shoegaze or drone and black metal.

    And Symphonic black metal is Black metal with Symphonic instruments and melodic melodies.

     

    Who else is a fan of this truly beautiful music?

     

    Here are some playlists to better exemplify what I mean: 

     

     

     

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  17. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    My other recommendation for Winter 2018 that just didn't have time to review is 明日の叙景 - わたしと私だったもの released February 24, 2018 an amazing blackgaze/post-black metal masterpiece. A genre I'm not to sure many users here would be familiar with especially vk listeners. It also has a lot of traditional Japanese elements as well. HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS ONE.

     

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  21. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    5 minutes ago, patientZERO said:

    I'm with you Brutalian. I dig this look and I liked Kyotaro in Black:List, so I'm excited for this.

    Same but I hated him in COCKROACH although I didn't hear much. They sucked hopefully this venture pans out but I wouldn't get my hopes up. I don't expect much from a band featuring Kyotaro other than quick disbandment or %100 underground actives with near impossible to get music. At least this was the case with his last 2 bands. He's my favorite vocalist of all time btw but yeah I doubt this will be anything worth while.

     

    On the plus side at least this is a vk band again the last 2 weren't and tbh maybe that's why they did so bad, because I think Kyotaro is a purely vk vocalist. Also his name was KYO for awhile in both COCKROACH and LAST OF FATE.

     

    And it's KYO now not Kyotaro anymore. https://twitter.com/LAW_KYO

  22. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    11 hours ago, Axius said:

    So far L's clean voice kinda sucks in amber bullet compared to the 3rd birthday his screams are nice tho. the mini is a good improvement

    Amber bullets songs are nice tho dont get me wrong. The songs part of the maxi singles are good. The mini is good with the exception of one song.

    I dont like the 3rd brithday songs that much trust me i feel the same as you the only songs i like of 3rd brithday are: Most of the Biran no Tsuki maxi single, god bless you, hades, stupid=stupid,  Dakudou ni furu, Tsuya, good bye...GODDESS

    I actually like his clean singing particularly in the songs, "there is the silent bullet under the Amber sky" and "I ...am". But I'm glad you like them at least some what lol I personally think he just sounds better in Amber bullet because I like the Nagoya kei sound more and he just dropped it after Amber bullet. I just miss that sound because I like Nagoya kei so much.

     @AimiGen7compared them to Blast and Vulgar era DEG:

    Spoiler

     

     

    And I've compared them to Merry go Round:

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    But in your previous comment you said you loved them,

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    I need to check these guys out i loved The 3rd birthday.

    Did what I pointed out about 罪状「グルトニー」(zaijou「gluttony」)  make you have a change of heart?

  24. Posted · Edited by Mamo

    15 hours ago, Axius said:

    How do you feel about the 3rd brithday's last single 罪状「グルトニー」(zaijou「gluttony」),

    I recommend this one.

    I checked it out, A-type anyway, I didn't want to check out GOD BLESS YOU piano ver.  Didn't like good bye...GODDESS much at all. And Beautiful sounded okay in parts but the electronic effects ruined it for me. Not that I mind electronic effects in a heavier band but I just thought it sounded awkward in this song.

     

    After giving  罪状「グルトニー」(zaijou「gluttony」) a few fair spins, I still couldn't really get into it. Just not my cup of tea I guess. Still only like Amber bullet but I thought it was only fair I give them one more shot since I liked Ell so much in Amber Bullet.

     

    Did you have a chance to listen to Amber bullet yet?

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