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This is essential to enjoying anything they’ve released after 2016!

This is essential to enjoying anything they’ve released after 2016!

after listening to this album bunch times here's my best to worst:
1. Dark in Black Hole
2. Thirsty?
3. Kansenshojo
4. Hantomei wo taberu.
5. I'm sorry
6. Rhapsody in my head
7. Gohatto
8. Bakemono
9. True Man
10. Call of Rescue
11. Shinkei to juryoku
12. Migite
13. Tenshi no zentoyo
14. Hakuchi
 
I also learned to stop judging them as if they were the OG Dezert. If I was doing it that way, all of the above would go straight to trash, so I treat it as completely unrelated, separate release of a band Dezert2.

Here are the samplessss
 
 
Actually the Hernia tracks sound pretty different from each other (unless they purposefully show different parts of each, lol)
 
So far this does a have more indies / weird vibe, I'm cautiously optimistic!
 
also me @ cover art:
 

It's miles better than TODAY. I'm not mad about it at all, plenty of good tracks. I'd say Chiaki is leaving his slump. 

Not to this again but im bored. a while back someone said Satsuki is a great vocalist and he is better than Yuuki (Lycaon, Initial'L) and this event popped up back in my mind and i just feel like Dragging Satsuki as well as RES a little though at least they have a bit of actually talent. The band has a cult following probably Diru garbage and those with taste that miss Baiser and maybe other 90s La'mule cause that's were they got their sounds from. Lycaon got stuff from 90's as well but it was upgraded and never clone shit. Then when they disbanded they got the Elvis  and Amy Winehouse treatment. But Satsuki's mid and Low range voice is straight ass to point it's annoying. Then we have these high notes and falsettos that have no depth and are just him crying or whining past that Kon range (you try to do it). Satsuki is just weak. and i wont bother with his poor imitation Kon and Baiser screams and i need a inhaler growls -- though he did have some nice wet one in a track or to. The only thing he really has is the "is that a female voice" he did back in the day on track like vision of you, sincerely.
 
this is how you do a low voice
 
this is how you do high note and falsetto
Now theirs been an update on Yuuki since that thread and Yuuki's still Bodies but harder
Now that's raw natural, fucking actual, talent, body your fav at metal or a ballad. As for RES Jesus, Alejandro, MELANCHOLIC, or Dahlia ect. solos. Thank U next. 毒女, can you feel it, ect solos to for Initial'L
 
Now if Yuuki isnt your cup of Tea, here are are other bands smoking Satsuki/RES
 I know the VK like to come as a whole and protect and shower a few bands (diru, Gazette, RES, ect.) with love through delusion and peer pressure and shit on the rest but you can always do some research and form your own thoughts.

It's gulu gulu's radio. Basically they collected questions from the fans and answered it.
In the Taishuu-ban they talk about regular stuff/common questions and in the Strong-ban they talk about dirty stuff like sex etc.

double fixed 🙃
 
tbh, Kumo is one of my favorites by them still. That guitar solo in "Kisei -Parasite" takes me straight back to the late 90's/early 2000's the moment it plays.

fixed 😉

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D'espairs Ray's music hasn't aged well.

when i was younger in my teens i remember watching a show where they re-decorate rooms/houses and the teen girls bedroom of one of the houses had Kyo/Dir en grey posters everywhere. they never mentioned anything about them though, but it was the only instance i've ever seen of vk on canadian tv.

Since it's the month of the THE NOVEMBERS, I decided to make a little list dedicated to the music of THE NOVEMBERS (and also tried to revive this thread)
 
This is my.....
 
TOP 20 FAVORITE MOMENTS OF THE NOVEMBERS
 
20. 愛はなけなし (2016, Hallelujah)
"Kobayashi's nagoya kei moment"
 
For some reason, Kobayashi's singing style and melody during the verses remind me of nagoya kei. Maybe in some other dimension he could've been a vocalist in a nagoya kei band.
 
19. 出る傷を探す血 (2015, Elegance)
"Reminder"
 
I'm gonna go ahead and reveal that Elegance won't be getting much love on this list. Since it's not among my favorite releases even though there are some good tracks on it. But I felt a bit bad about that so I decided to include one "moment", even though it's an odd one. As the EP's title can already tell, it's filled with chill music. But: 出る傷を探す血 breaks the fantasy that is Elegance. It's a black sheep. Noisy and arrogant. Some people hate that it's included, some people may even like that it's included. As a song, I'm sure many fans like it but if we think in terms of a coherent album, it doesn't really fit. And that's the reason why I love it. As a last song, it's like a reminder: "don't worry, we haven't forgot our noisy, abrasive, rocking side."
 
18. BAD DREAM (2019, ANGELS)
"The vibe"
 
I'm not an industrial music fan by any means, but I really dig the industrial influences in this song. Especially the synths sound sick.
 
17. Figure 0 (2010, Misstopia)
"Freakout"
 
One of the standout tracks on Misstopia, Figure 0 is filled with great riffs and engrish. But the short breakdown in the middle, where everybody go just nuts, is moment #17.
 
16. 37.2° (2011, To (melt into))
"Intro & outro"
 
My favorite moment in 37.2°, the intro and outro, showcase the more dreamy side of The Novembers. The vibe is just simply put... tranquil. The steady drumbeat, beautiful guitar and soft humming. Sounds like heaven to me.
 
15. Sturm und Drang (2014, Rhapsody in beauty)
"Intro / Breakdown part"
 
The first "proper" track on Rhapsody in beauty, after the drone intro, is Sturm und Drang. I couldn't simply pick one moment so I picked two. For starters, the intro. What a way to suck you in. The drums, the riffs, the high pitched scream. But the real surprise happens when the song slows down and breaks down into a noisy, near psychedelic guitar solo. Amazing!
 
14. dumb (2014, Rhapsody in beauty)
"Spoken word"
 
The Novembers truly are masters at evoking dark, distressing atmosphere. My favorite moment here is the (almost) spoken word parts that Kobayashi does (at 1:25 for example). Really add a nice flavor to the song.They actually remind me of some visual kei songs. And it doesn't hurt that Kobayashi uses such a deep and sexy voice.
 
13. Dnim (2009, Paraphilia)
"Chorus screams"
 
Dnim has the honor to be the oldest entry on this list. I have said it before but Dnim was most likely the first The Novembers song I liked.
The aspect that peaked my interest back then was the screamed chorus. Part of the reason they ended up on this list is nostalgia but I can't deny those screams don't still sound damn good.
 
12. 鉄の夢 (2013, zeitgeist)
"Rhythm section"
 
I feel like when talking about The Novembers, Kobayashi Yusuke gets most of the praise, sure for a good reason since he's the main songwriter etc. but now it's time to thank the rhythm section. Hirofumi Takamatsu and Ryousuke Yoshiki, on bass and drums respectively, lay down a beat that just goes on and on like a road roller. 鉄の夢 is a flawless song, filled with great moments. To mention a few others, Kobayashi's insane screams and the part (3:43) where Kobayashi's vocals go hand in hand with the guitar. So this blurb ended up being about Kobayashi too, after all.
 
11. Observer effect (2013, Fourth wall)
"Weird vocals"
 
This is a kind of a wild pick, since I don't really listen to this track that much. I guess because I usually listen to the full-lenght albums. These "favorite" moments often revolve around either vocals or guitar and this song is no exception. The part starts around 1:46. The guitar tone is pretty sick here and then Kobayashi does some really cool vocals on top of it. The production/filter makes it sound like he's yelling in a well or a cave with a megaphone.
 
10. 瓦礫の上で (2011, To (melt into))
"Guitar melody"
 
This pick was one of the most obvious ones to me when I was planning this list. The part is just burned into my mind. And the part is the guitar melody at 1:23 that comes pretty much out of nowhere. It's like a anti-climax even though it isn't if you know what I mean. The way Kobayashi is singing, getting more intense, you are expecting him to go off into a wild scream or something but then the guitar intervenes. But when that similar part comes up again, at 2:23, this time Kobayashi does get his moment to shine vocal-wise and that's also a fantastic moment.
 
9. いこうよ (2016, Hallelujah)
"Trumpet"
The closing track of Hallelujah really makes me shout "Hallelujah" when I hear the trumpet. It's crazy how well it fits into the song. Among their more shoegaze-y songs, in which category "いこうよ" also belongs, it is not really top-tier but the trumpet more than makes up for that.
 
8. Flower of life (2013, zeitgeist)
"Whole song"
I can't really pick a certain moment in this song. It's a sum of its parts, it's a whole vibe. The synthline, the bass, the vocal melodies, the drums, the chorus, the production.
 
7. 永遠の複製 & 彼岸で散る青 (2011, To (melt into))
"Just being awesome"
 
I decided to include the first two songs of To (melt into) as one entry. They're even the same duration! Together they make for one hell of an album opening.
The reasons for that are quite similar. Both songs have intense choruses and the mood in general is very intense. When I hear the background sound during the chorus of "永遠の複製" I can't help but think of a whip. The chorus of "彼岸で散る青" is more explosive than the former. If I had to pick which one's better, I would go with "彼岸で散る青".
 
6. Moiré (2012, GIFT)
"Great opening track"
 
Talk about a jaw-dropping opening to an EP. Moiré is whopping 8 minutes and 18 seconds long track. And when the The Novembers do long songs, they're not really bangers but instead they're slow-burning epics. This is one of my favorites of their longer songs. The trumpet (back to the trumpet!) is a great addition and bit of a surprise too.
 
5. ただ遠くへ (2016, Hallelujah)
"Guitar riff"
 
My go-to driving song. Once again, such a perfect song without flaws but the part I picked is the... you guessed it, guitar part that you can hear in the intro and it also serves as the chorus kind of. But my favorite is specifically the extended version that starts around 2:38. Such a jam!
 
4. Meursault (2013, zeitgeist)
"Kobayashi's high notes"
 
"Meursault" features a prominent, rumbling bassline, repetitive guitar riff and haunting vocal melodies. The atmosphere is fantastic. Near the middle of the song happens one of my favorite moments.. First off, the guitar riff (1:48 mark) and then then the high notes Kobayashi does (2:12 mark) that are among the best he has ever put on tape. They're remisniscent of something that downy's Robin Aoki would do.
 
3. Rhapsody in beauty (2014, Rhapsody in beauty)
"The high notes and guitar blending together"
The titular track of Rhapsody in beauty is really the highligh of the album, placed strategically in the middle of the album. My favorite moment happens when the chorus kicks in (1:52) and Matsumoto's siren-like guitar wail and Kobayashi high notes blend together and as an result, eargasm is unavoidable. That must be one of the best sounds known to mankind.
 
2. Wire (Fahrenheit 154) (2013, zeitgeist)
"The main guitar riff"
 
Another track off the "zeitgeist" album, Wire has been among my favorites for ages. The driving force of the song and my favorite moment #2 is the massive guitar riff. They first tease it at 0:44 seconds but when it comes back around at 1:30 I find it hard to stay still. To give the song the justice it deserves, play it _very_ loudly.
 
1. 再生の朝 (2011, (Two) into holy)
"The build-up"
 
"再生の朝" has been my favorite Novs song for a while now. My favorite moment is interesting, since it's the whole build up of the song. The song starts off leisurely but almost inconspicously the song picks up pace. Sure I could pick a mark where the drums kick in but it wouldn't work so well. You need to listen to the song from the beginning so you get the whole experience and magnificence of the build up. One of the main reasons I love this song so much is the journey it takes me on to.
 
So that's it! Do you agree / disagree on any of the picks? What are your favorite moments?
 
I spent quite some time writing this so I hope someone reads it!

I don't revisit Hotarubi on its own ever, but I've always liked it when I listen to Macabre from front to back. Toshiya's got some great bass lines.
 
Side note, I really wish I could've seen them during their Macabre tour aesthetic back in the earl 2000's. It's gotta be my favorite look from the band.
 
 

#stopbullyingkisou just saying

Full PV. Such a fucking BOP.  Ugh. Cock destroyers are shook.

Yall should actually share these playlists, ahahaha
 
 
ling did it best
 
 

Among these albums, why only UROBOROS got a remastered version? :<
It's good to have though, but it was too soon to remaster a 3-year-old album back then.
 
UROBOROS is probably their masterpiece, and they had to make more money out of it while they still could?
Well, I'm just hoping that they will release more of remastered albums in the future.

There is no reason for it to be over eight minutes long. I would say the song is a solid six minute banger. But what does it mean when I place it second on the list?

A huge difficulty I encountered when making this list was coming up with the order. Like a lot of others in this topic, I don't truthfully have a Dir en grey album I hate, so instead I organized it from "least favorite" to "most favorite". I did the same thing for the tracks on each album, and then I looked towards the singles and other releases for each period so I could analyze each era as a whole. I ended up with three different lists and this is the output after I merged them all together. That's why I stress the difference between a good Dir en grey album and a good Dir en grey period so hard; it actually does matter.

I'll go through my thought process with GAUZE below.

GAUZE is my third favorite Dir en grey album and the one that introduced me into this world, so I have fond memories of it. When I rate each track individually based on my enjoyment, I get the following score:

 
1."Gauze -Mode of Adam-" 2/5
2."Schweinの椅子" 3/5
3."ゆらめき"  3.5/5
4."Raison Detre" 3.5/5
5."304号室、白死の桜" 4/5
6."Cage" 4/5
7."蜜と唾" 2/5
8."Mazohyst of Decadence" 2/5
9."予感" 4/5
10."Mask" 2/5
11."残-ZAN-" 3/5
12."アクロの丘" 4/5
13."Gauze -Mode of Eve-" 1/5

Ranked on how important I think the song is to the album experience the list changes to this:

 
1."Gauze -Mode of Adam-" 0/5
2."Schweinの椅子" 3/5
3."ゆらめき"  5/5
4."Raison Detre" 3.5/5
5."304号室、白死の桜" 4/5
6."Cage" 5/5
7."蜜と唾" 3/5
8."Mazohyst of Decadence" 5/5
9."予感" 4/5
10."Mask" 1/5
11."残-ZAN-" 2/5
12."アクロの丘" 4/5
13."Gauze -Mode of Eve-" 0/5

When I zoomed out and took a look at the whole GAUZE-era, there are some other tracks that get into the mix such as "-I'll-" and "Unknown...despair...a lost". Tracks we consider classics that fall out of the analysis if we only recommend the album. The fact that these two tracks weren't on the album brings down the score because that is the difference we have been trying to isolate! This is also why MACABRE ranks lower than intended on my list; I love the period to bits but the album has a lot of filler that members can make arguments for cutting and replacing with various other songs. Put all of these factors together and out pops the recommendations I wrote in the first post. Not perfect, but I tried to look at the whole picture and the small details at the same time, so the end result is always fighting against itself in principle.

VULGAR ends up at the top of my list because it's the album that requires the fewest amount of modifications to enjoy the period to the max. Listen to VULGAR + "腐海" and that's everything you need. UROBOROS falls to second because of the sheer quantity of tracks provided in this era and how many unnecessary retakes there are (and the "remastered" edition left an aftertaste of piss in my mouth that has yet to dissipate). 

@Zeus As somebody who is borderline obsessed with tracklists, I'll try out a few of these you've made, particularly MARROW, kisou, and MACABRE. I find it quite interesting that you'd open MARROW with THE PLEDGE. I'm glad you agree that 腐海 could should have been on VULGAR; it actually would have fit nicely between DRAIN AWAY and NEW AGE CULTURE. Some things I highly disagree with: snubbing 蛍火 and embryo; and most of all, listing the Japanese version of GLASS SKIN as UROBOROS' 3rd worst; it should have been 我、闇とて, with the Engrish version of DOZING GREEN as #2. As for your top 3 picks, I pretty much agree with them.
 
Unpopular opinion confessions: I prefer the album version of CLEVER SLEAZOID, and I don't really care for ain't afraid to die.
 
I'm gonna rank these albums too! I'm basing the ranking on the number of favourites from each album. Deducting points for "objectively" bad songs, adding extra points for true classics.
The Well-Insulated Room (5, -1 for Values of Bullshit) DUMB SPIRO SPERO (6) ARCHE (7, -1 for Sustain the unshit, +1 for 輪郭) 鬼葬 (7, -2 for the first two Shinsou tracks, +2 for Bottom of the death valley and 蟲 -mushi-) MACABRE (4, +4; title track gets double points and cancels out any bad songs) THE MARROW OF A BONE (7, +2 for CONCEIVED SORROW and 艶かしき安息) Withering to death. (7, -1 for Jesús Crust, +3 for dead tree, 悲劇は, and 鼓動) GAUZE (8, +2 for Cage and アクロの丘) UROBOROS (9, +1 for VINUSHKA) VULGAR The lower ranking albums are still not bad, in my opinion. At worst, The Insulated World is an above average album.

I refuse to participate in the ongoing kisou slander this forum has developed a taste for over the past few years.
 
granted the 『average western stans』 wilding out in their thread started this, but we can do better sisters, FILTH alone deserves more praise than a hole decade worth of their bullshit formulaic recent singles.
 
looking back, uroboros was surprisingly good at the time considering the absolute horse shit they were throwing out through entire DSS TMOAB era with no signs of stopping until the actual album dropped, and everything about it surpassed the (extremely tepid) expectations. do I listen to any of it ten years later? like no, ffs no, never again.

@Zeus As somebody who is borderline obsessed with tracklists, I'll try out a few of these you've made, particularly MARROW, kisou, and MACABRE. I find it quite interesting that you'd open MARROW with THE PLEDGE. I'm glad you agree that 腐海 could should have been on VULGAR; it actually would have fit nicely between DRAIN AWAY and NEW AGE CULTURE. Some things I highly disagree with: snubbing 蛍火 and embryo; and most of all, listing the Japanese version of GLASS SKIN as UROBOROS' 3rd worst; it should have been 我、闇とて, with the Engrish version of DOZING GREEN as #2. As for your top 3 picks, I pretty much agree with them.
 
Unpopular opinion confessions: I prefer the album version of CLEVER SLEAZOID, and I don't really care for ain't afraid to die.
 
I'm gonna rank these albums too! I'm basing the ranking on the number of favourites from each album. Deducting points for "objectively" bad songs, adding extra points for true classics.
The Well-Insulated Room (5, -1 for Values of Bullshit) DUMB SPIRO SPERO (6) ARCHE (7, -1 for Sustain the unshit, +1 for 輪郭) 鬼葬 (7, -2 for the first two Shinsou tracks, +2 for Bottom of the death valley and 蟲 -mushi-) MACABRE (4, +4; title track gets double points and cancels out any bad songs) THE MARROW OF A BONE (7, +2 for CONCEIVED SORROW and 艶かしき安息) Withering to death. (7, -1 for Jesús Crust, +3 for dead tree, 悲劇は, and 鼓動) GAUZE (8, +2 for Cage and アクロの丘) UROBOROS (9, +1 for VINUSHKA) VULGAR The lower ranking albums are still not bad, in my opinion. At worst, The Insulated World is an above average album.