spockitty

Lin deserves huge credit hes taking up a huge role, not only is he joining a huge band but he has to make up for 2 guitarists. From the samples hes doing amazing i loved him in abstracts and im happy hes here. He gets to shine with a solo on the last track very nice ! 

is 少年時代 a dig at girls' generation

im so happy rena is back with such a strong lineup ive stopped the vid after 5 seconds just so i cant get disappointed

they sell like crazy and are unproblematic all around, why would they stop???

Hello!
 
I have been having the best time on here. Having discussions, talking about artists and finding new music. After finding MH, I have been searching all over for new VK bands such as Megaromania.
 
However, this site is not without it’s toxicity and I have seen it my self. Shitting on the same bands over and over gets annoying and everyone one here can’t take an opinion sometimes. The amount of heated discussions on here gets annoying as well.
 
I won’t be quitting MH completely and I will be taking a small break to get away from this toxicity. I don’t know when I’ll be back, but just like Sadie, I’ll be going on hiatus.
 
Shoutout to @Gesu for being my first follower. Love ya

Hahaha, this thread has become a support group for the vk elders XD Welcome welcome, have a cookie!
 

Hoo, boy. I could go on about stuff like this for days. I want to be a paediatric therapist in the future and, if possible, an activist for children's rights, so I'm always interested in things like this.
 
Anyways, I find it interesting that he said this kind of thing is pretty much non-existent in Europe, because from what I've seen, it's really not. In the UK (excluding Wales), it's still legal to smack your child as long as you don't leave a lasting injury, which leads to parents being able to exploit a number of loopholes and employ/promote bad parenting techniques.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/25/smacking-children-to-be-banned-in-wales
 
Moreover, people barely even care about crimes committed against children. I have an example - just about the most valid one I could provide as it's a very extreme case of abuse, therefore deserves the harshest sentence - but in case you don't want to read it as it is very disturbing, two mothers were given just six years and four months in prison each for severely neglecting their daughter.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/lesbian-mothers-whose-skinny-and-dirty-daughter-two-starved-to-death-in-their-filthy-lice-infested-flat-that-was-filled-with-empty-pot-noodle-cartons-are-jailed-for-six-years-each-after-admitting-neglect/ar-BBSpQBN?ocid=spartandhp
 
I know those examples aren't Japanese, but I thought they were worth mentioning because I think it's important to realise that this kind of thing is in no way exclusive to Japan. I might just be being biased because of how strongly I feel about such issues, but either way, I think it's worth discussing. That, and I'm not too sure if there's anything I could add to that insightful video regarding Japan.

I prefer to say complementary. There are things one gender is good at or can do that the other can't, and we need each other to survive.
I think we've reached the tipping point and we're on our way back to the middle, but this can take years. I don't think we'll see actionable change until people of all walks of life can complain and be heard without banshees screeching in the night about how "it's their turn".

This. That’s why women who were raped or who was impregnated by a family member should not give birth. The emotional trauma will ensue and will end up leaving the mother depressed. I don’t want any women living with something they don’t want. 
 

@Manji 卍 Technically, the foetus doesn't have any form of sentience until about the third trimester (maybe a bit before). I think the lesser of two evils in that situation would be to abort, because it's more fair to let the woman live a happy life than to force her to give birth to a baby she doesn't even want. That's physically and emotionally traumatising. If she does the latter, she could end up severely depressed and the baby most likely wouldn't have a great life anyways. Also, just giving it to an adoption centre leads to overcrowding and kids who were already there not getting adopted, so nobody really wins in that situation.

@Zeus I knew that would get brought up. I don't have the answer to that because unfortunately the current trend is to shut men's voices down. I see it as a tsunami. Women were oppressed and abused for centuries (picture the wave retreating further and further into the horizon) until things finally turned on their head (see the tsunami hitting), so we're going through a very extreme right now. Eventually it'll settle down I believe, to a point where everyone has a say. My point still stands though, that if men want more victim shelters, etc. They need to help out each other. There's actually a very interesting feminist podcast I heard recently, where a group of men discuss the effects of toxic masculinity and how they're only learning to deal with the effects of it now well into their 30s. One of them is always hired to go into companies and give talks about harassment and how it should be avoided. If its a man to man talk, it's easier to relate and understand, as he said. The same would go for therapy. Anyway, it's not in English otherwise I'd love to share as it'd help get my point across better. 
 
Edit: also, just because we're going through these extreme times, does it mean we should stop trying to raise awareness to certain issues? Isn't that as good as giving up? And what good ever came from that? Social change happens from action, no matter how small. 

that'm impressive really! XD I used to really like their concepts but only a few songs appealed to me. 
 
I used to be a big sceptic when it comes to digital content and paying for the stuff you don't really physically own. Steam got me used to it first, I suppose, now I don't even have a CDrom in my PC ^^; As for Spotify, it's a great place to get into new music imo, most importantly music that would not be readily available to you via mainstream media. I pay for premium and I think it's a steal with the amount of music I listen to on a daily basis. And it scrobbles automatically to last.fm ;=; Now even jrock/vk is jumping on the bandwagon (maybe more dipping their toes than jumping but hey, it's better than nothing!). 

visual kei got popular again

This is where you lost me. Let me explain why.

We're on a college campus and we want to create a group focused around celebrating culture and ethnicity. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Indian clubs? Good. Black club? Great. Hispanic club? Awesome. White club? No no no, can't support white supremacy here.

Maybe instead we want to create spaces for underserved populations. Let's make women only scholarships, black only scholarships, latinx scholarships, etc. and that's seen as being progressive. There's a scholarship for being left handed even! But let's find a scholarship out there where the only qualification is that you have to be white, or that you have to be a man, and suddenly it's regressive and sexist.

Do you see what I'm getting at here? Feminism as an ideology is fundamentally flawed because it views the relationships between men, women, and those not on the traditional gender spectrum as a zero sum game where one group must lose in order for another group to gain. This is a flaw deeply ingrained in human psychology. Within this distorted view, the "oppressor" group gaining any ground must come at the expense of the "oppressed", because those resources the "oppressors" have could have been put towards "the oppressed". When men try to stand up for themselves and bring light to their own issues, we are often dismissed by men and women. Our situation is so fractured and fucked that we're not given the vocabulary to discuss it, which is what feminism has empowered women with: a voice. I call this phenomenon spreadsheet equality, because on the surface everything looks as fair as it can be, but fairness and justice are two different concepts that should not be confused.

If I sound like an alt-right lunatic, that's because the alt-right is fueled mostly by angry white men who see their opportunities being snatched away from them, unfairly or not. Angry. White. Men. The very group that is blatantly told that they're not allowed to complain because they live life on easy mode, as if life on easy mode doesn't have any challenges at all. They have a point to a point, and much like "the left" (I hate that phrase) they have an agenda, and their agenda is white supremacy, but absolutely no one is taking the time to dissect the points that make sense from the lunacy that doesn't, and we just disregard their points entirely, which kick starts the vicious cycle that sends a vast majority of disillusioned men down the echo chamber that is the alt-right pipeline.

Every move made and talking point espoused by anyone anywhere is to further a personal agenda to better their current position in the rat race that is capitalism. Feminists have one. White supremacists have one. Even I have one. Propaganda is a weapon stronger than the nuclear arsenals of the world combined, because it's much harder to kill a belief than a person. And as long as our society continues to believe this "inferior"/"superior" crap in any dimension, we're never going to come to the table and talk as equals.

And I say this as someone who has six eggs in one basket and half a dozen eggs in the other.

I did read it again and I don't see how I could have understood what you said differently.
 
I would like to agree to dissagree with you at this point and be done with this discussion. 90% of what you just said doesn't align with my worldview and perhaps we can debate it again one day on some more relevant thread~ I feel I've derailed this conversation enough as it is.
 

Did you really just compare feminism to nazism?
At no point in history did nazism have a shred of positive ideology behind it. Communism is on the other spectrum of very radical ideals, which over the years literally caused the death of thousands. This is an entirely different conversation that in my opinion has no place in this topic.
 
Your argument depends on women having the candidates who represent them to vote for, which in most countries, they don't. And the only reason why there are some candidates like that these days, is because of the feminism movement and the work it does.
 
It absolutely is about the media. To be clear, I'm not talking only about the news. It's about the music, the movies, books, academia etc. I happen to also be a part of "this group" if you couldn't tell already, and let me tell you, there are bad apples in every movement, but it's just so juicy to cherrypick the loudest and most toxic ones for the sake of sensationalism and self preservation. Especially considering that ceding some of the absolute power to the previously marginalized group is threathing to shake the foundation of most mainstream media.
 
 
Against what? Tell me what is it that you're against and there's a big chance it'll turn out we're actually on the same side.
 
 
Men and women are also labels created by society. We need labels to represent complex ideas in short terms and also to easily find people who are like-minded. We could go through life calling every plant a plant, but when one of them is edible and another is poisonous suddenly it matters that you differentiate that label.
 
 

Did you really just compare feminism to nazism?
At no point in history did nazism have a shred of positive ideology behind it. Communism is on the other spectrum of very radical ideals, which over the years literally caused the death of thousands. This is an entirely different conversation that in my opinion has no place in this topic.
 
Your argument depends on women having the candidates who represent them to vote for, which in most countries, they don't. And the only reason why there are some candidates like that these days, is because of the feminism movement and the work it does.
 
It absolutely is about the media. To be clear, I'm not talking only about the news. It's about the music, the movies, books, academia etc. I happen to also be a part of "this group" if you couldn't tell already, and let me tell you, there are bad apples in every movement, but it's just so juicy to cherrypick the loudest and most toxic ones for the sake of sensationalism and self preservation. Especially considering that ceding some of the absolute power to the previously marginalized group is threathing to shake the foundation of most mainstream media.
 
 
Against what? Tell me what is it that you're against and there's a big chance it'll turn out we're actually on the same side.
 
 
Men and women are also labels created by society. We need labels to represent complex ideas in short terms and also to easily find people who are like-minded. We could go through life calling every plant a plant, but when one of them is edible and another is poisonous suddenly it matters that you differentiate that label.
 
 

Hahaha, this thread has become a support group for the vk elders XD Welcome welcome, have a cookie!
 

Hey y'all! Visual Kei Oyaji here as well!

I'll be 30 next year, and i'll be damned if i stop listening to the bands that I stan (Plastic Tree, Dir en grey, sukekiyo, THE NOVEMBERS).

@spockitty @Euronymous Maybe one of you should just take a topic about feminism and discuss it there, you could add on toxic masculinity, TERFS (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) etc.

Did you really just compare feminism to nazism?
At no point in history did nazism have a shred of positive ideology behind it. Communism is on the other spectrum of very radical ideals, which over the years literally caused the death of thousands. This is an entirely different conversation that in my opinion has no place in this topic.
 
Your argument depends on women having the candidates who represent them to vote for, which in most countries, they don't. And the only reason why there are some candidates like that these days, is because of the feminism movement and the work it does.
 
It absolutely is about the media. To be clear, I'm not talking only about the news. It's about the music, the movies, books, academia etc. I happen to also be a part of "this group" if you couldn't tell already, and let me tell you, there are bad apples in every movement, but it's just so juicy to cherrypick the loudest and most toxic ones for the sake of sensationalism and self preservation. Especially considering that ceding some of the absolute power to the previously marginalized group is threathing to shake the foundation of most mainstream media.
 
 
Against what? Tell me what is it that you're against and there's a big chance it'll turn out we're actually on the same side.
 
 
Men and women are also labels created by society. We need labels to represent complex ideas in short terms and also to easily find people who are like-minded. We could go through life calling every plant a plant, but when one of them is edible and another is poisonous suddenly it matters that you differentiate that label.
 
 

I agree with you, to a point.
 
Feminism is, or at least its supposed to be advocating for equality not superiority of one sex over the other. That said, raising awareness and combating the abuse that men suffer, especially at the hands of women, is a part of the movement. The risk of humiliation and not being seen as "man enough" is a byproduct of toxic masculinity (a buzzword i know) which is a big topic in feminism. The fact that society unfairly favours women over men in custody battles, is similarily hundred years of harmful stereotypes stacked on top of each other.
 
I don't think we should villanize the whole movement, because mainstream media chooses to only expose the worst of it, because that what gets the views.
 
Now what is said on the video, is not precisely that more women become abusers, but more men report the abuse. Which all in all, is a good thing?
 

Yeah, sorry for hijicking your post, it kinda got out of hand ^^;
 
I really liked the video though. I've already subscribed to several of the channels you posted videos of, so thanks for sharing!

Did you really just compare feminism to nazism?
At no point in history did nazism have a shred of positive ideology behind it. Communism is on the other spectrum of very radical ideals, which over the years literally caused the death of thousands. This is an entirely different conversation that in my opinion has no place in this topic.
 
Your argument depends on women having the candidates who represent them to vote for, which in most countries, they don't. And the only reason why there are some candidates like that these days, is because of the feminism movement and the work it does.
 
It absolutely is about the media. To be clear, I'm not talking only about the news. It's about the music, the movies, books, academia etc. I happen to also be a part of "this group" if you couldn't tell already, and let me tell you, there are bad apples in every movement, but it's just so juicy to cherrypick the loudest and most toxic ones for the sake of sensationalism and self preservation. Especially considering that ceding some of the absolute power to the previously marginalized group is threathing to shake the foundation of most mainstream media.
 
 
Against what? Tell me what is it that you're against and there's a big chance it'll turn out we're actually on the same side.
 
 
Men and women are also labels created by society. We need labels to represent complex ideas in short terms and also to easily find people who are like-minded. We could go through life calling every plant a plant, but when one of them is edible and another is poisonous suddenly it matters that you differentiate that label.