Dir en grey

[Pretsy 1343]

1 hour ago, Seelentau said:

You think so? To me, TMOAB is their worst produced album. Whenever I think of it, I think of this black wall of noise...

Give TMOAB another chance if you still happen to think of 'black wall of noise'.

 

I understand people to whom this is not their cup of tea, but we cannot deny that instruments sound a lot punchier and "freer" here than elsewhere. To compare it to Kisou, however, is fascinating though. Kisou had quite shitty guitars and questionable EQ levels near the end which was not the thing on TMOAB - Pink Killer, to name one example.

 

Experimentation or what people call "diversity", though, is not their forte and I fail to understand why people love MACABRE or UROBOROS so much. Especially the latter was not that novel of an approach from their usual delivery.

Edited January 11, 2018 by Alroy

[Seelentau 884]

I listen to TMOAB a lot, since I almost exclusively listen to DEG^^

And I agree that some songs are very nice, but as a whole, it's just a picture of noise, black whirls, whatever, in my memory. Dunno how to explain it.

Maybe I like the album, but not the image/memory of it that I have in my head.

[nullmoon 784]

1 hour ago, Saishu said:

Still waiting for Kyo’s promise to fuck my parents. 

Nah, he's waiting until you have a daughter XD 

[nullmoon 784]

1 hour ago, Alroy said:

Give TMOAB another chance if you still happen to think of 'black wall of noise'.

 

I understand people to whom this is not their cup of tea, but we cannot deny that instruments sound a lot punchier and "freer" here than elsewhere. To compare it to Kisou, however, is fascinating though. Kisou had quite shitty guitars and questionable EQ levels near the end which was not the thing on TMOAB - Pink Killer, to name one example.

 

Experimentation or what people call "diversity", though, is not their forte and I fail to understand why people love MACABRE or UROBOROS so much. Especially the latter was not that novel of an approach from their usual delivery.

Pink Killer is totally and utterly horrendous. I actively avoid it because of how aurally offensive it is. 

[Saishu 1589]

Vulgar and WtD are tied for worst produced album, but Arche isn’t too far behind. 

 

Original Uroboros as well (except for Toguro). 

[nullmoon 784]

1 hour ago, Saishu said:

Vulgar and WtD are tied for worst produced album, but Arche isn’t too far behind. 

 

Original Uroboros as well (except for Toguro). 

I listened to the original Uroboros recently and the drums are horrific. The drum track in Red Soil sounds like it was made with a couple of empty milk cartons. 

[Asakusa 95]

1 hour ago, nullmoon said:

Pink Killer is totally and utterly horrendous. I actively avoid it because of how aurally offensive it is. 

I don't know how to feel about this since it's one of my favourite songs. It's so raw

[Pretsy 1343]

Pink Killer is basically the VK parody of St. Anger before St. Anger came into existence.

 

I don't care whether the extreme level of obnoxiousness was intentional here but the aural offense that die-hard fans call "raw" will definitely piss off anyone who's at least a bit of legitly concerned fan of music or a self-respecting musician.

Edited January 11, 2018 by Alroy

[nullmoon 784]

54 minutes ago, Asakusa said:

I don't know how to feel about this since it's one of my favourite songs. It's so raw

Each to their own I want to like it but it's too raw (blue, even) for my taste. 

[Nowhere Girl 189]

1 hour ago, nullmoon said:

I listened to the original Uroboros recently and the drums are horrific. The drum track in Red Soil sounds like it was made with a couple of empty milk cartons. 

Just listened to them back-to-back, and you're right. Actually, some (if not all) of the drums in the Red Soil remaster sound like they've been entirely re-recorded.

 

As for PINK KILLER, well, I've always liked it. But I come from a background of Industrial, Noise, and other kinds of hard electronic music, so this sort of thing just appeals to me.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Nowhere Girl

[Asakusa 95]

46 minutes ago, Nowhere Girl said:

As for PINK KILLER, well, I've always liked it. But I come from a background of Industrial, Noise, and other kinds of hard electronic music, so this sort of thing just appeals to me.

Me too, think of a Vampillia-Endon-Merzbow thingie and PINK KILLER is just a glass of water lol

Well, those bands ARE in fact from the noise genre and DEG is not

[Saishu 1589]

That deadpanned “ahh...” at the very end of Pink Killer is the best part of the whole song. 

[shiyouka 1]

I wonder if anyone out there ever compiled a list of songs DeG just WILL NEVER PLAY AGAIN and any speculation as to why (do they hate it? outgrew it? unpopular with fans?). 

 

I kinda did wish Garden would make an appearance on vestiges of scratches. ah well. another remaster for another time I suppose.

[nullmoon 784]

Speaking of Garden, is there a reason they always miss this off compilations?

[Nowhere Girl 189]

They're most likely embarrassed about it. It's very non-DEG.

[LIDL 692]

Garden is a classic bop tho. Praying they will never ruin it by updating the sound like they did to Kiri To Mayu 

[nullmoon 784]

25 minutes ago, Nowhere Girl said:

They're most likely embarrassed about it. It's very non-DEG.

I dunno, Missa isn't the best release but it's decent. Aoi Tsuki is my jam! 

[shiyouka 1]

I secretly like berry (have been through child abuse) but have never heard them play it in lives from the last ~5 years, I think.

[Saishu 1589]

8 hours ago, Nowhere Girl said:

They're most likely embarrassed about it. It's very non-DEG.

But so is I’ll. 

 

7 hours ago, shiyouka said:

I secretly like berry (have been through child abuse) but have never heard them play it in lives from the last ~5 years, I think.

Surely they played it during the Mode of Macabre tour. 

[Mamo 1172]

6 hours ago, shiyouka said:

I wonder if anyone out there ever compiled a list of songs DeG just WILL NEVER PLAY AGAIN and any speculation as to why (do they hate it? outgrew it? unpopular with fans?). 

lol that's an easy one everything they released before 2003.  And yes they do hate that whole era of their music.

[Asakusa 95]

I really really love audrey, it's so underrated though

A couple of years ago some friends would look at me in a strange way because of this

 

Man, audrey is fucking good

[geist 227]

18 hours ago, Saishu said:

Still waiting for Kyo’s promise to fuck my parents. 

an 11 year tease is too much for me. Just go fuck my parents already! God!

[blacktooth 227]

Posting relevant video.

 

 

 

[Seelentau 884]

7 hours ago, shiyouka said:

I wonder if anyone out there ever compiled a list of songs DeG just WILL NEVER PLAY AGAIN and any speculation as to why (do they hate it? outgrew it? unpopular with fans?). 

 

I kinda did wish Garden would make an appearance on vestiges of scratches. ah well. another remaster for another time I suppose.

If you give me a song, I could tell you when they played it live the last time

My list isn't complete, though.

[Pretsy 1343]

We have to ask musicians first whether they feel that certain songs may cause the band some difficulties even to this day.

 

For the record, there is a reason why the live VHS/DVD recording of Berry has never seen the light. Such a pain in the arse to play if you seek to nail all of it.

 

Edited January 12, 2018 by Alroy