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Ah give them a break. They haven’t done a remake in like five years. 

I hope they do. That version of Tsumi to batsu is my favorite.

I think I'm starting to look forward to Ash just by virtue of it pissing everyone here off.
 
Years ago, when the Hageshisa single was released, I wanted a Kiri to Mayu remake because I knew how good that song could be with their new sound, and I think that will be the case for Ash as well. If you don't like Metal, you're not going to like this.

I literally can imagine how it's going to sound (shitty acoustic guitar wank fading into 3 seconds of silence + mumbled spoken sentence or two —> brrruugghgghghMEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW —> ASH!!!! - gurrrrgurrrgurrrgurrrgurrhuguhurrggurr-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-squeal-dun-dun-dun-dun)
 
 

Ash is the song so nice they remade it twice

Dum spiro spero is a damn good album,but the funny thing is that  i could never stop to listen the entire album like other albums from their discography.it feels like the songs works listening separatly,from time to time,cuz it seems to get lost in it's own haze when you try to grap the whole album,just like ARCHE,imo...I really hope that the next album be something more fun to listen,like six ugly.i like the atmosphere of the three latest re records,and i'd be fine if the new album have the same guitar tone.also,hope that Utafumi get a "album version'' more improved ,
if they include this track

There's been a lot of negativity in this thread recently (not sure if troll or not). Just throwing my hat in the ring with some positive (but hopefully fair) mini-reviews. You do not have to agree with my opinion.
 
GAUZE: Slightly awkward in places. Much of this is generic for a VK band. Unlike almost anything later, this is basically a true Visual Kei album, with strong pop hooks, light, bouncy instrumentals, and some exceptions. Mazohyst is the first sign that the band want to go conceptual, epic, and darker than their peers. The Mode of... tracks do little more than just exist, possibly a throwback to La:Sadie's or perhaps Malice Mizer. I find Schwein no Isu and MASK very forgettable. ZAN is gigantic; the remake doesn't stand up to Kyo's insanity in the original version, yet it makes up for it by being br00tal (or something). Also, the video for Yokan is fucking hot.
Fav track: アクロの丘
 
MACABRE: This album is the seed of what is to come. It's almost a proto-UROBOROS in its concept, yet maintains the playful pop of GAUZE enough that it isn't totally bleak. You can tell that they wanted this album to be truly epic, but their immaturity as a band means that it doesn't quite hit that mark. It's still great, though. The only song I'd lose here is audrey (too predictable/tedious). 
Fav track: egnirys cimredopyh +) an injection
 
ain't afraid to die: Just this one song alone is better than many albums out there. Glorious.
 
Kisou: I guess some people love this and some loathe it. For me, it's the former. This is the first time we see DEG try something totally new. It's like Experimental Industrial Electronic Punk; really raw and in your face. The amount of sonic variety means that there should be something here for everyone. The interludes are cool, although I can see why maybe they're disliked. I'd say that this album is almost perfect, with only The Domestic Fucker Family being weirdly out of place. Oh, and PINK KILLER is amazing. 
Fav track: 鴉-karasu-
 
six Ugly: Strangely, there are two remakes here, with Children being only 2 years old at the time. However, everything here is good. Excellent, in fact. It'd be cool to see Hades back in the live show. 
Fav track: HADES
 
VULGAR: OBSCURE is enormous. That's not to say that this is the only reason to listen to the album. When this first came out, I was a little disappointed, as every track sounded more or less the same (just guitars, barely any electronics unlike Kisou). It quickly grew on me, though. There's very little to dislike here (at a stretch, maybe Sajou no Uta is a tad forgettable). At this point, there's almost none of the old DEG sound left.
Fav track:  NEW AGE CULTURE
 
Withering to death.: I was so not excited when this was announced and I have no idea why. I dithered on the purchase until I heard a clip of 愛しさは腐敗につき, and then instabought it just for that song. Wow, this thing is great. Some people criticise the production (it sounds too clean?), although it seems fine to me. This is a return to a more playful aesthetic for the band that I still really wish they'd touch back on. Aside from the rather blah Jesus Christ R 'n R, this album is solid. dead tree to the end is basically perfect. Yes, even Beautiful Dirt. Yes, even GARBAGE. Love this thing.
Fav track: Spilled Milk
 
THE MARROW OF A BONE: Weird Engrishy titles, weird Engrishy lyrics, Kyo's voice steadily getting worse with each successive live, and the band just suddenly went very dark and angry. This album turned a lot of people away from the band. I listened once and almost threw away the CD. Didn't listen to the band for months. Then I gave it a second try, and it made sense. I spent an entire Summer listening to nothing but this while painting. It was truly something else. Yes, it's messy, ugly, and raw as fuck, but that was the point. It's grotesque and Kyo sounds like a cat in a blender. But alongside all this rage, we have moments of utter spellbinding beauty, too; songs that are some of the highlights of DEG's entire career up until this point. Just fantastic. My only complaint might be that some of it feels a little undercooked. A little repetitive, perhaps. But it feels honest and true in its message.
Fav track: 艶かしき安息、躊躇いに微笑み
 
UROBOROS: Hoo, boy. This one. This is the album that MACABRE wanted to be, but wasn't. It's also possibly the most complicated album in terms of song structure and writing techniques. This thing is an absolute beast; a monster. In my opinion, this may be the band's finest moment. Every track here has a reason to exist. It's marvellous. Possibly my favourite album next to Kisou.
The initial release was plagued by slightly dodgy mixing (didn't notice how bad it was at the time). Another big problem with the original version was the inclusion of the atrocious English versions of Glass Skin and DOZING GREEN. The remaster fixes these things, but also adds in the remake HYDRA 666 for absolutely no reason. It doesn't really fit and already had its place on the single. 
Fav track: VINUSHKA
 
DUM SPIRO SPERO: Thought UROBOROS was complex? Think again! Here, the band decided to cram as many ideas as they possibly could into each song, resulting in some completely bizarre Frankenstein's monster of an LP. This is the sort of album that you could probably hear something different in every time you listened. In the studio, it works very, very well, but live, the album falls short, with the band's meagre 5-piece unable to fully re-create the enormous sound they created with computer magic. This album is good, but it's also quite bleak, dreary, and at times a little tedious. It tries to push the UROBOROS idea too hard and goes a bit off the deep end, for better or for worse. This was also the time where the band's output became glacial. Hageshisa to... was released two years prior to this, and I was already bored of it when the album finally came out (and the mixing was terrible). Also, side note: the 'symphonic' versions are absolutely rubbish. They should have hired an orchestra or some actual performers to play with them (not necessarily on stage). Also, second side-note: this is the beginning of the polarising 'Kyopera'.
Fav track:  「欲巣にDREAMBOX」あるいは成熟の理念と冷たい雨
 
ARCHE: On the surface, this is a return to the band's old sound... sort of. It's like looking through a gloomy telescope at that old material and reminiscing on it. I'd say this is more mature, more measured. Less spontaneous. It's really very good. I have absolutely no complaints here.
Fav track: 濤声
 
TL;DR: I am a Dir en grey fan and I like the band's music. So there.

I find a good bunch of the old stuff that’s not MISSA, or GAUZE , very unlistenable. I hate Kisou also. There’s some of the songs that have aged well and sound awesome if you watch the MODE of DVDs. 
 
But I love the progression from WTD to ARCHE. They satisfy my metal needs in their own special ways. But lately I’ve been bumping ARCHE over And over. 

There’s Dir en grey and DIR EN GREY. 

Missa is a Garden single with some other shit on it. 
 
Kiri to Mayu is the standout track for me though. 

I'm being 100% real when I posit this question. I love this band. I really do. So please understand I'm coming from a place of love when I ask.
 
So, I've been listening to VESTIGE OF SCRATCHES, and I can't understand why any one of us would like any of this old Dir en grey shit. It's. Awful. What compelled you all to like this band? 
 
For me, it was after my mom bought me a copy of Withering to death. after I was sick for like...2 weeks.
 
Tl;Dr - old DEG is a mess, what got you into  them? 
 

Ew, they don’t let you choose anything pre-virgin snow colour
 
Alright people, vote for virgin snow colour tracks only! None of that other garbage

I am relatively certain it will be pretentiously sombre as usual.

what if it's named "ha ha we re disbanding after this 1 LOL"

Me when it comes to sharing any opinion in a Dir en grey thread:

are they dragging their stans with that title?
 
because based on the local Deg thread that is precisely what I would've done

wow. two singles in two years. productivity!

can't wait for the 15 second preview

You are solely responsible for the situation that occured. 

You constantly try to bait other members into arguments by making unsubstantiated "edgy"/inflammatory claims and then when someone calls you out on argumentative fallacies whenever you try to tread beyond the purely subjective, you either create straw men to fight against or whine about the "tone" in the discussion, a tone you very much set the standard for when needlessly attacking other members on their subjective taste, like or dislike of a certain song. 

Not only do you monopolize threads and antagonize people who don't agree with you, when you're done digging your own grave you have the nerve to call me out for not throwing you a rope and dragging you out of it.
 
There's a reason why the reply got so many likes, perhaps you should reflect on your own actions on this forum a bit and how you present yourself here. Making a new account isn't much use when you keep falling back into the same patterns.
 
Finally, don't tell me how I should and shouldn't do my job. The team keeps an eye on all threads and we don't take kindly to being told by others what actions to take. If you have a problem, use the report function or PM one of us.
 

Easy with the inferiority complex, sweetie, you’re embarrassing yourself. I never said my statements triggered people. Let’s not forget: you started pissing and moaning because one person on the internet said they liked a song. 
 
Just one problem: you decided to weigh your opinion on a topic which you have 0 knowledge of, so I had to correct you. You legit thought the Gaika and Inferno outros were the same when they have 0 similarities other than the fact musical notes are being played in 4/4 time. You only said this because Dir en greys new material triggers you, so you tried to pretend you knew shit to slap down other people that like the music. 
 
But again, it’s hard to discuss music with someone that has 0 knowledge of music and who couldn’t tell the difference between a C major chord and their own asshole. 
 
I know why you lashed out at me. It’s painfully obvious. Within music communities (especially VK), an individuals perceived status is linked to how much they know about the band. You wanted to fit in and impress people with your supposed “knowledge”, so you legitimately got upset when I drew that “knowledge” into question. Simply put: I hurt your ego, and you lashed out in an attempt to protect it. 
 
I find it odd you would liken me to a child when I’m not the one who started crying when someone else said they liked a song that I didn’t. But of course, your fragile ego needs protecting, so believe whatever nonsense you’d like: not like that hasn’t stopped you before, now has it?
 
🤔

This is what happens when DEG doesn’t release any new material in 18 months. 
 
Unless you count the D’erlanger cover. That was pretty sweet. 

Can people just like what they like instead of trying to call each other out with faux-musical knowledge and passive aggressive statements deriding the musical taste of another? It doesn't matter if one person likes "The Inferno" and the other person does not. We're not all going to like the same things! That's fine! Dir en grey has been around for twenty years and if they retread some old steps or make some songs you aren't going to like, you can live with it.

And don't call out mods to "do their jobs" when we're watching this thread constantly for the actions of three of you. Just because we don't say anything to you doesn't mean we aren't aware. Don't dig yourself a hole you can't climb out of.

There’s also a wah in The Pledge which, honestly, is a far better example of a sister song to Tousei. 
 
I also did not connect Revelation of Mankind to Saku on a musical level at all. 

I’m almost certain the band didn’t approach the “origins” concept with the intentions of retreading old songs. If anything it’s more like they used their entire discography as an inspiration. You could probably place each song on Arche on a past album and have them fit. And the reason I think that is because during the Mode of lives they chose specific Arche songs to place in each set list. 
 
Which reminds me, does anyone know if they played Cause of Fickleness during the Mode of Withering to Death tour? 

Which legitimately no one said. I don’t know why The Inferno, or new Dir en grey material in general, triggers you as much as it does. 
 
It literally set you off into being a passive aggressive asshole out of nowhere when I commented on how much I enjoy the song. 
 
I get it, you’re upset I corrected you in our conversation a few days ago and this was your chance to get back at me, but please try to act less petty, ESPECIALLY when you evidently don’t know a single thing about music and the only term you remotely know is “motif” to make up for your lack of musical vocabulary.