finnthesubhuman

I didn't know where else to post this, really.
 
Let's rewind to yesterday. I'm playing around with this really awesome app called Spotify, which I mostly use to find new music. I decide to check for some older bands for some reason (maybe because I can't find my ipod with all the music I listened to prior to this year).
 
i find out Girugamesh hasn't done anything new. I check the internet and...disbanded.
 
Sadie, hiatus.
12012, hiatus.
Deathgaze, hiatus.
unsraw, disbanded.
cocklobin, disbanded.
nega, disbanded.
e'm grief, disbanded.
d'espairsray, disbanded.
lycaon, disbanded.
dali, disbanded.
GazettE, best left unmentioned.
 
Everything I used to listen to in 2007, 2008 and 2009 is not only making music I'm on the fence about, they're more or less gone forever. I'm left with Dir en grey and Max the Hormone, with Black Swan the only newcomer to follow.
 
What happened to J-rock? Where did it all go? Someone help, I feel lost. Who are the successors? if all of the bands I used to know have gone do I even like j-rock anymore? Am I alone in this feeling?
 
i guess this is part request thread, part mourning for the end of an era.

Mods, I apologise if this is the wrong place to post this. But seeing as it is not really a marketplace offer or ad I wasn't sure where it could go. Feel free to move it whereever but please make sure it's visible.
Here's the situation. Ikd-sj, a band I have been following for nearly 10 years with utmost devotion, has refused to sell their international fans an album they're only selling at gigs. Despite me practically begging for them to ship me a copy at 5000 yen -- FIVE TIMES the price -- they have outright refused to do it. Why? Because they're inbred.
I don't even fully understand their moronic logic. If overseas fans want it, why refuse to sell it? It won't affect their show numbers. Why would the Japanese give a shit if a CD is exclusive to them? Oh, Big Rabbit's new album is Australia exclusive, better attend their show.
Who is Big Rabbit? Who cares. Doesnt matter I just made the name up. The band is nothing in Japan and no weird deal will change that.
Their next show is yet to be determined. If you are or will be living in Tokyo this year and are willing to attend a gig to buy me a copy of this album, I will pay for your ticket, the CD, the shipping cost and an extra 30 USD for your troubles.
At this point I just want closure. I'm incredibly hurt and very bitter that they'd treat me this way after all the preorders I've provided and I'm not the only one. Hell, I even moderated their fan-forum. Which later became official before they abandoned it due to a lack of members.
Shit, I'd even pay you to leak the album on this very forum. I'm not the only fan who wants it. I'm just the only one who's doing anything about it. If an album is made to be heard it shouldn't exclude people from listening to it. Especially if they want to purchase it.
I'm begging the MH community to help me.
I'll bump this thread when the show date is made available.

Mods, I apologise if this is the wrong place to post this. But seeing as it is not really a marketplace offer or ad I wasn't sure where it could go. Feel free to move it whereever but please make sure it's visible.
Here's the situation. Ikd-sj, a band I have been following for nearly 10 years with utmost devotion, has refused to sell their international fans an album they're only selling at gigs. Despite me practically begging for them to ship me a copy at 5000 yen -- FIVE TIMES the price -- they have outright refused to do it. Why? Because they're inbred.
I don't even fully understand their moronic logic. If overseas fans want it, why refuse to sell it? It won't affect their show numbers. Why would the Japanese give a shit if a CD is exclusive to them? Oh, Big Rabbit's new album is Australia exclusive, better attend their show.
Who is Big Rabbit? Who cares. Doesnt matter I just made the name up. The band is nothing in Japan and no weird deal will change that.
Their next show is yet to be determined. If you are or will be living in Tokyo this year and are willing to attend a gig to buy me a copy of this album, I will pay for your ticket, the CD, the shipping cost and an extra 30 USD for your troubles.
At this point I just want closure. I'm incredibly hurt and very bitter that they'd treat me this way after all the preorders I've provided and I'm not the only one. Hell, I even moderated their fan-forum. Which later became official before they abandoned it due to a lack of members.
Shit, I'd even pay you to leak the album on this very forum. I'm not the only fan who wants it. I'm just the only one who's doing anything about it. If an album is made to be heard it shouldn't exclude people from listening to it. Especially if they want to purchase it.
I'm begging the MH community to help me.
I'll bump this thread when the show date is made available.

Their "muddy cult" PV got my attention when it was released (I love bloody stuff), I also fell in love with the song. At that time I was also quite depressed, so listening to their music in the bus made me feel like I was in a different emotional reality, because the music is so gloomy. I loved their dark and brutal image, it was something I needed in visual kei, because so many bands chose the safe route of not adding anything shocking to their work. Jin's voice isn't that bad, because it's not edited to make it sound better, he sings exactly the same in reality, he didn't disappoint me (also, he's very charismatic on stage!). There are many vocalists who sound great on the studio recordings, but like crap on the lives. I would rather get the real thing. He may not be perfect, but I just like his voice, it's unique among all these vk dudes who sing in a very high tone and sound similar to each other.

Are you? lmao

Are you? lmao

well if that is true then Jin(assuming he's the great mastermind there) deserves The Savior of VK title.
what could be better than telling some retarded bangya's in their faces to fuck off? right, only kicking them in their faces

You don't think the Japanese are privy to sarcasm/self-depreciation humour, then?

There's so much wrong with that sentence and this is coming from a nu metal fan. Aside from the fact the name nu metal is a misnomer and the bands who play the music style are really playing hip hop with distortion pedals or maybe some brand of detuned grunge, unless they're Slipknot in which case they have much in common with NWOAHM (and if you really, really believe KEEP ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN' is remotely metal, I feel sorry for you), Girugamesh's MUSIC has some of the most nu metally elements I've ever seen in Visual Kei (if you can even call them that after the first album) -- especially Volcano, which borrows a riff from a SOAD song.
 
Let's get some things straight.
 
If you sound like Korn, early Linkin Park, middle-era Sepultura, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park or Linkin Park, you're playing nu metal.
 
Second of all, nothing about nu metal is technically impressive aside from the massive MTV following it picked up (and maybe a few musicians who managed to carry the entire band with their skill like John Otto back in the day). And again this is coming from someone who knows all the lyrics to most of the songs on Hard to Swallow. Nu metal was a term invented by the media to describe an aesthetic that popped up involving gothic and hip hop fashion mixed with metal instruments (specifically Coal Chamber) and lots of teenaged angst and I don't think many "nu metal pioneers" consider themselves "nu metal". They usually just say hard rock. Maybe it should have been nu rock but I doubt it has as much media appeal as rock never was in danger, while metal was losing momentum at the time.
 
Third of all, detuned riffs and screaming DOES NOT equal nu metal, and neither does rapping. Run DMC's Walk This Way thing might have rapping and rock mixed together but that doesn't make it nu metal. Emmure is not nu metal, regardless of what their singer claims to take influence from. In Flames is not nu metal. King 810 is not nu metal (I don't want think of them as anything tbh). What Girugamesh is playing now (and what they originally played) is not nu metal. And above all else DJENT IS NOT NU METAL EITHER and that goes for all deep syncopated riffs running unusual time signatures you'd normally have people associating with it.
 
Fourth, screamo is a genre, not a singing style. What you're referring to as screamo is termed "harsh vocals".
 
Girugamesh play a mixture of what's popular now. As a result, they're mixing post-hardcore, Japanese pop, dubstep (which is understandable, since they've dabbled in drum-and-bass in the past), and the aforementioned syncopated chugging. They include nearly all the staple elements of post-hardcore -- clean catchy choruses and minimalist chug breakdowns with underlying electronics. Sometimes they come up with some things that are interesting. I'm not sure whether this EP does consistently. Is it up to their current quality? I guess so. Do I like it? Not much.
 
Linkin Park.

After hearing them butcher it over and over, I've decided Different Sense is definitely NOT a good live song.
 
I'm pretty sure Shinya was all "OKAY I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PLAY THIS FILL NTYREAYAARERATRGH that should do it"

After hearing them butcher it over and over, I've decided Different Sense is definitely NOT a good live song.
 
I'm pretty sure Shinya was all "OKAY I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PLAY THIS FILL NTYREAYAARERATRGH that should do it"

After hearing them butcher it over and over, I've decided Different Sense is definitely NOT a good live song.
 
I'm pretty sure Shinya was all "OKAY I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PLAY THIS FILL NTYREAYAARERATRGH that should do it"

After hearing them butcher it over and over, I've decided Different Sense is definitely NOT a good live song.
 
I'm pretty sure Shinya was all "OKAY I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PLAY THIS FILL NTYREAYAARERATRGH that should do it"

Am I the only person who thinks an abundance of toms and less frequent snare usage is actually interesting and not exactly the same thing as every other VK/exVK band currently active? Or do we want everyone to sound like 

does it mean there's a 3 consecutive children release planned already, or?...

I'm sorry, so it was Melba, Norse, Carking and... what was it again?

Dir en grey is a good example of a band who is taking international music styles into their sound without being generic. They toured with BMTH and came back with deathcore influence...so what. They didn't suddenly spam two-note breakdowns. They legitimately began using the mix of thrash and hardcore with their previous death and progressive tendencies, and apparently some nu metal (!) for extra effect (re: bass technique). This is all potential evidence of a desire to play the bits they want to play (or at least what their lead composers want, re: current drummer issues) regardless of current popularity. Hell, they even (arguably) pulled off some variety of doom/drone/sludge, and since when has that been popular? I'm not well-versed in them but as far as I'm aware I think the answer is "never" (though if anyone knows differently, please tell). Funnily enough, this mix of primarily-European-based styles has brought them straight into my interests.
 
Girugamesh, on the other hand, are just ticking boxes off a list. While Incomplete manages to successfully integrate dubstep with (almost) nu metal, Drain is a pointless rehash of these elements; I think this means they lucked out the first time they did attempted it, and that (again as Ito said) they're making use of the (imo cheaper) aspects of post-hardcore for the achievement of a faux-heaviness. I would be inclined to believe they genuinely liked this style if it was less popular, less omniscient, less of a mass-produced commodity, but I'm afraid I can't trust any band using so many cliches at an eerily coincidental point in time (especially since they released two singles only months ago that somehow lacked most of it).
 
Then yes, the bottom line is I fucking hate it to begin with. I liked Incomplete, and the original singles, but if the two singles are being re-done in this "MONSTER" style, and the teasers are just displaying more and more of these elements, I think what little novelty they had will expire very quickly. While I'm hoping the album will prove otherwise (like Max the Hormone did), I am not feeling enthusiastic (as, unlike MTH, Girugamesh has not shown an overt sense of humour and/or self-awareness [certainly not since they decided to be Linkin Park]).

I was being sarcastic. The amount of v-neck, stretched-ears, Verb the Noun, post-hardcore-derived outfits themed after videogame characters is so massive that nobody can say Girugamesh are being original by taking these elements up. There's nothing underground about a genre that's has been infecting America since about 2007. It's not that I think the genre is shit. It's that THERE IS TOO MUCH OF IT. It's called oversaturation and it's what killed nu metal.
 
I don't want Girugamesh to be something they've already been. They won't do it, and why should they? I'm pissed off that they are doing all the hallmarks (and the most generic hallmarks at that) of every currently popular scenes. I mean, the breakdown in Drain...how many times have I heard that exact same riff? My old guitarist used to play that whenever he was testing his guitar for fuck's sake...when we were both 16.
 
And like Ito said, they're writing pop songs with some breakdowns and minimal-note chug riffs to pretend they're heavier, so even if I COULD tolerate what they're doing, I'd just be pointing out how they're not doing it very well. They're working on a checklist. Do we have chug breakdowns? Yes. Do we have random bass drop noises? Yes. Do we have a pop punk upbeat chorus at the end? Yes. Is one of our members dressed like a schoolboy? God knows why, but yes.
 
I loved MUSIC. Even though they were ripping off Linkin Park, at least they did it at high quality, with some sense of self. There was nobody else who sounded that close to early Linkin Park. In fact they were so good at sounding like Linkin Park that somehow they managed to avoid sounding like a mere shitty copy.
 
Here, well, they are rapidly becoming a shitty copy, just like nearly every other VK band currently going.
 
If they're going to ride trends, I'd appreciate if they did it well.
 
But I'd prefer they didn't ride trends.
 
Let alone saturated, omniscient trends I have never been able to like that could do with one less, previously (somewhat) original band participating in.

^ especially when it comes to -core bands because to be honest 90% of their names are godawful

There's a difference between taking influence and stealing melodies. The intro in Madara follows the drum patterns of Rinkaku and its chorus is almost exactly the same as a Dir en grey song (I can't remember if it's Audience Killer Loop or Marmalade Chainsaw)--way too similar to be anything but deliberate. People need to stop being so easily offended and accept that most VK bands are about as original as the people who write the scripts of the Scary Movie canon. Just because you like something doesn't mean they don't have flaws or that said flaws can be shrugged off. I mean for fuck's sake Nega's solo in Abase is near-identical to a segment of the solo in Dir en grey's Akuro no Oka. I love Nega but I saw that instantly. Not to mention the Muddy Cult/Obscure structure.
 
People are complaining that Sadie is stealing bits of songs, not that they're taking influence from a bigger band. Nearly every current VK band takes influence from Dir en grey. Like Zess said, you listen to an ordinary Sadie song and it's either the same generic number they've been using for years or it's a pastiche of cannibalised Dir en grey passages (and their potential is constantly being masked in favour of these things). That is not influence. The use of random acoustic breaks and faster metalcore section is influence. The Madara chorus is THEFT. There is no ambiguity: this band is getting too comfortable with copying. If you can't hear it, you're in denial. It's not that people who are "hating" on the band (although some might be); it's that the truth is something others are refusing to see. Remember Amentia?
 
 
That said, this album is really awkward sounding and feels more like a random collection of tracks which were given names and an order prior to being written, but most VK seems to do this. It's not boring (and when it's not stealing from DEG and merely taking influence, it can occasionally move from 'DSS on a budget' to 'reasonable proggy neo-VK-core' but it's nowhere near perfect. Madara might be near shameless but it's not bad. I'm afraid I agree with Zess on nearly every point. In particular, they should be playing things they can handle. They need to stop trying to be DEG and just be Sadie full time instead.
 
I should probably add that if this drummer is going to rip Dir en grey's tom-heavy style off then he should at least consider a proper drumkit. And the ride is just too loud.

There's a difference between taking influence and stealing melodies. The intro in Madara follows the drum patterns of Rinkaku and its chorus is almost exactly the same as a Dir en grey song (I can't remember if it's Audience Killer Loop or Marmalade Chainsaw)--way too similar to be anything but deliberate. People need to stop being so easily offended and accept that most VK bands are about as original as the people who write the scripts of the Scary Movie canon. Just because you like something doesn't mean they don't have flaws or that said flaws can be shrugged off. I mean for fuck's sake Nega's solo in Abase is near-identical to a segment of the solo in Dir en grey's Akuro no Oka. I love Nega but I saw that instantly. Not to mention the Muddy Cult/Obscure structure.
 
People are complaining that Sadie is stealing bits of songs, not that they're taking influence from a bigger band. Nearly every current VK band takes influence from Dir en grey. Like Zess said, you listen to an ordinary Sadie song and it's either the same generic number they've been using for years or it's a pastiche of cannibalised Dir en grey passages (and their potential is constantly being masked in favour of these things). That is not influence. The use of random acoustic breaks and faster metalcore section is influence. The Madara chorus is THEFT. There is no ambiguity: this band is getting too comfortable with copying. If you can't hear it, you're in denial. It's not that people who are "hating" on the band (although some might be); it's that the truth is something others are refusing to see. Remember Amentia?
 
 
That said, this album is really awkward sounding and feels more like a random collection of tracks which were given names and an order prior to being written, but most VK seems to do this. It's not boring (and when it's not stealing from DEG and merely taking influence, it can occasionally move from 'DSS on a budget' to 'reasonable proggy neo-VK-core' but it's nowhere near perfect. Madara might be near shameless but it's not bad. I'm afraid I agree with Zess on nearly every point. In particular, they should be playing things they can handle. They need to stop trying to be DEG and just be Sadie full time instead.
 
I should probably add that if this drummer is going to rip Dir en grey's tom-heavy style off then he should at least consider a proper drumkit. And the ride is just too loud.

If they re-record things we'll end up with sixty odd minutes of urrruurgururugrhrurufuzz. I'd be content with some remastering at most.

I think you mean "Massacre the Cheesecake" bro.