hopefully_benign

Not the best timing OP

Well, GISM's first album is getting reissued by Relapse. So

1. RIP to all their cool-mysterious-cult band internet hype and mystique.

2. The cover will be censored, because 2020.

hopefully it's not brickwalled.

I've only ever seen Nuclear Blast used as dirty word in my circles. They were good in the old days (because let's face it, underground metal was generally good back then), but kinda became a label for flowery melodeath and rising black metal bands looking for a "crossover" audience by the late 90s. Some of that stuff was good, some of it not so much.

Yeah, Nuclear Blast did make a lot of bands into a big deal in the 90s, but they did so by encouraging them to switch to a really cookie cutter sound. Did Dimmu Borgir start sucking because they signed to Nuclear Blast, or did Nuclear Blast sign Dimmu Borgir because they decided to start sucking? Kind of a chicken & egg question.

After that, total Wackencore territory with the same handful of producers giving everything the exact same plastic sound. I guess there's an audience for it somewhere, but eh...
Fun fact, the guy who runs the label only likes obscure 80s hardcore/crust punk these days, and doesn't give a shit about metal.
 

One of those bands who have a lot to answer for, but I like on their own terms.

There's probably not one good band who took heavy influence from them (besides, funny enough, maybe X Japan?)
But at the time, their brand of sickeningly sweet happy-metal seemed like the natural end result of a bunch of German kids playing post-Iron Maiden metal in the late 80s. It just shouldn't have become a movement like it did.

I hate it
If an artist wants to re-record a song for fun as a bonus on some release, it's whatever, I don't care.

But re-recording an entire album is the worst thing an artist can do. Albums crystallize the youth and hunger of a band at a certain point in their career.

If you make a few great albums and then start sucking for the next decade or two, who cares, at least your good stuff still exists. But the popularization of re-recordings means even that golden era is subject to its own kind of entropy.

Re-recording an album to "improve" it (read: make it shittier with antiseptic production, brickwalled sound and noticeably aged vocals, usually) is cultural vandalism, I think. So what if the old version was lo-fi? An album sounds the way it does for a reason, it has quirks and an atmosphere that reflects the time it was made in. Just like modern production/recording trends will badly date a lot of what's released now in the future.

There's an elegance to something just being the way it is. Why do you have to muddle things by throwing another version out there?

Learn from your old "mistakes" (which usually aren't even mistakes--artists are notoriously bad judges of their own work) by adjusting the way you tackle new material, and improve that way. Re-recording albums is simultaneously the worst kind of backward-looking indulgence in nostalgia AND irreverence to legacy. It's somehow bad in two diametrically opposed ways at the same time.

Scorn Defeat is a top 20 black metal album, maybe even top 10. It's like that scene at the end of the movie Jigoku where giant orges are just smashing and eating humans for 20 minutes in neon buddhist hell, in music form.

Infidel Art was pretty cool too, although the circus elements were already creeping in.

I think the last one I heard was Scenes From Hell. They totally lost me there, not that it was much worse than anything else they did after the 90s, but that's just where it really sank in for me that they're releasing totally interminable stuff now (if you get past the "there's a sitar solo and techno breakdown in the same song so it's super innovative"-factor).

If their last album is supposed to be "the most personal one yet" maybe I'll give it a spin. I'm sure I'm not missing much skipping what I missed.

Damn. I've been spending more time with Eden and it's JUST as good as st/Image/Mother. Maybe better than some of those. It's simple but it's so BUSY. There isn't a moment in the album where there aren't licks spilling out of licks. There's something almost otherworldly about the slightly distant sounding vocal recording. (I'm pretty sure it has something to do with how the vocals were recorded anyway, just slapping reverb on stuff gets a different, not-as-cool effect)

Everyone told me this one was inessential. wtf? 

10 hours ago, Desqui said:

Can someone post a good produced/mixed/mastered song and a bad one and then point out where it's good and bad cuz I'd really like to understand what fans are talking about.

(I know this is from a demo recording, but I'd argue it's well produced+mastered)

For best results listen with headphones and crank it
The snare drum attacks you because the waveform isn't compressed into a brick, it's spikey and has peaks. Because some parts are allowed to be quieter than other parts, stuff like that stop-start breakdown around 1:10 hits hard and feels really punchy.

The recording's got a nice room ambience, the toms rumble. There's a sense of space, everything is where it should be in the mix. 

A++++++

play this at an equivalent volume

Soso production, not-so-good mastering. Notice how the drums don't really punch through. Everything is kinda flat and fighting for space. When the "loud" part comes in around 1:50, it doesn't really hit you like it should, because the "quiet" part before it is compressed to be basically just as loud as the loud part.

 C-

Bad mastering, bad everything else:

this re-recording. play it at any volume, it will be loud no matter what volume you have it at. notice how it makes your ears bleed. every sound feels like it's coming from everywhere and nowhere at once.

F-----------

Generally speaking if production/mastering isn't something you care much about and isn't something that can impede your enjoyment, it's best to keep it that way. It can be such a pandora's box for people who get anal about stuff.

Basically if they're dramatically shaking and looking side-to-side in PVs it's true VK

Everybody: vk isn't a genre, it doesn't have a "sound"
every riff in Image: *exists*

Day owaranai Endless rain
sou mou ichido Once again
What time is it now?
wakaranai kaerenai
Game Playstation2

Just putting the albums on physically (most of the time), or downloads (less frequently because my computer doesn't have a good speaker setup and I don't always want headphones blaring in my ears). I would rather abandon worldly desires like consuming media and go farm goats on some mountain with no electricity than stream. Absolutely fuck streaming.

Another psychobilly classic in the making

La'Cryma Christi - Sculpture of Time
Kuroyume - 生きていた中絶児… (so it's not a full-length, whatever, play it twice in a row and pretend it is)

X Japan - Blue Blood

Deshabillz - 精神離脱者

Luna Sea - Image

Something like that

Unfortunately the loudness wars hit vk before the mid 2000s. A handful of late 90s/early 2000s releases are among the loudest albums in my library. The waveforms on some of them look like Merzbow.

I'm looking at you, Lucifer. That one's legitimately up there with Death Magnetic, Californication, et al.

I think a lot of people incorrectly use "lo-fi" as a synonym for "I wish this album had more low-end." Something like Luna Sea's first album (not the re-recording) has better sound quality than Dir en Grey's last album or some other clipped-to-death modern release in terms of being able to hear everything, spaciousness, dynamics, everything being in its proper sonic space, etc. Of course it's really thin sounding, like a lot of old vk, but it's a tradeoff I'll take over brickwalling any day.

Tangentially, the first Deshabillz album feels like you're watching a haunted VHS tape in some shed in a forest, and it would be a million times less creepy and awesome if it had more professional production

Classic, if maybe a little overproduced (not every five seconds of every song needs a bunch of sound effects and blips and radio broadcast snippets). Ryuichi had an emotional range beyond just the arms-waving-in-the-wind messianic drama thing and could sound pretty convincingly sinister at times, which prevents the wimpiness of it all from getting on my nerves.

more threads about ancient albums, please

La'miss†fairy

no fucking contest

The SSS scene was sick, as previously mentioned. Also either part of the movement or sorta peripheral to it, there's Strong Style, Cannons, Bad Vultures, Miburo, The Hawks, Growl Strike, Side Burns...

Eastern Youth split the difference between Japanese oi! and cloying sensitive-dude indie rock/emo, which sounds like mixing oil and water, but it kinda worked. For a while anyway. (Later on they veered too far away from the former and too far into the latter.)

Youth Anthem were cool too. They kinda remind me of Eastern Youth if they never got sappy and bland.

Ian Stuart, GG Allin, the list could go on...

I'm a little tired of vk related bands doing the artsy thing honestly (even though there are only like.... 2 bands like that?). Maybe that makes me a raging hypocrite because I don't like knuckle dragging nu-metal vk either, but oh well. I kind of go to vk to ESCAPE the middlebrow, anti-rockstar sensibilities of stuff like art rock/post-rock/shoegaze/dreampoop.

That unidentifiable vocal type that somehow sounds deep and high pitched at the same time.

I don't know how else to describe it other than to say probably over half of all vk vocalists since the mid 90s try their hardest to affect it. It had its place but it's time to move on.

Obsessively distinguishing between active bands and inactive bands ('active-only' all-time favorites lists, etc). As if a band never existed as soon as they split up. As if defunct bands don't constantly have reunions, and active bands don't constantly split up. etc.

afaik no other genre has a fanbase that cares so much about activeness.

unicode stylizations omitted because I'm too lazy

X Japan (old)

Madeth Gray'll

Aliene Ma'rjdyij;'sia;age

Malice Mizer

La'Mule

Cali=gari (old)

La'Cryma Christi

Dead End

Deshabillz

Antifeminism

If there's somebody I'm going to listen to about how wrong it is to "accumulate wealth," it's definitely a guy who has about 40 million dollars.

On 1/21/2020 at 6:29 PM, evenor said:

 

Important things to take from this:

1. Die shares that his fav fast riffs are from deg's debut album gauze

2. Toshiya describes their current sound as "psychobilly" lmao

Personally I'm really enjoying their new psychobilly direction. They've come a long way since their oi! roots, although their mid-era harsh noise material remains my favorite stuff by the band.