12012 new album in March!

[nekkichi 6042]

no, they just rigged the corpse so it can dance and sing with dynamite tommy's puppetry

[Pretsy 1343]

So, is this a major release? For real? Not with that mixing quality...

(just learned today that Diamond was their major debut, meh)

[nekkichi 6042]

I *think* they're technically indie, because firewall div. is an indie label (but they can distribute releases through sony music, like most of Dir en grey singles, albums and DVDs are sold.)

btw I've been lurking at oricon charts recently, and they either stopped tracking 12012 data or last album sold like 200 copies combined, I can't see it anywhere on their album sales summary.

I think that mixing is a part of Their Style.

Seven gave me headaches every time I tried to listen to it more than for 3 or 4 tracks at a time, and I'm not joking.

[sai 868]

^ I hope that the bad sales will knock some sense into them again. I remember SEVEN selling quite well (and it's my favourite album of theirs) in comparison to their other releases after DIAMOND.

[nekkichi 6042]

^ seven never sold well.

now that I think of it, I'm really curious who actually produced PLAY DOLLS, who's that little man behind UCP curtain.

can't believe a band who made an album that good is dumb enough to jump between tacky jpop cock and sweaty hurdurcore penis.

[sai 868]

Hmm..strange, I always thought it did. Never really understood how mar maroon is so high up there, I thought that was the album that sold like shit.

[nekkichi 6042]

it sold 16 more copies than diamond olololol

3,812　DIAMOND

3,828　mar maroon

[sai 868]

Wait, they sold 3,800 copies of one album up until now in the entire world? Wow...that's kind of sad.

[relentless 254]

12012 is FAR from a big band -- it's easy for western fans to neglect that.

[clow_eriol 240]

I can't understand how mar maroon has sold more than diamond....(16 more copies, nevermind) this world is a box of surprises.

PS: where did you find this page?

[ShanethVarosa 1209]

Just want to throw my hat into this ring for a minute:

I actually LOVED Mar Maroon XD, I know it's the unpopular opinion, but it's at least a fun album. I like it in the springtime.

Diamond I also actually enjoyed, but not nearly as much as Mar Maroon, but I have to agree that Seven is my favorite (albeit the mixing IS pretty weird. I hate HATE HATE how the songs end in the beginnings of other songs.)

I can't believe people actually bought 12012 though.

@relentless - Obviously they aren't as big or famous as say... I don't know Led Zeppelin, but they're kind of big in the scene. I'd say they have a considerable fanbase, most if not all of the people into the VK subculture probably know who they are.

[sai 868]

I have a feeling that they're more popular overseas (within the scene) than in Japan itself.

[ShanethVarosa 1209]

I have a feeling that they're more popular overseas (within the scene) than in Japan itself.

Definitely could be, I won't contest that.

It almost seems like VK has a bigger audience outside Japan than within Japan.

You'd think there'd be more shows/tours in NA then.

[nick 10212]

http://www.generasia.com/wiki/Mar_Maroon

[nekkichi 6042]

It almost seems like VK has a bigger audience outside Japan than within Japan.

You'd think there'd be more shows/tours in NA then.

they would largely be not profitable.

if they have 3000 fans in tokyo, they will do most of touring in small clubs and maybe one tour final concert in a concert hall

if they have 5000 fans scattered all over americas, 4000 in Chile and 700/300 for NA/Canada respectively, they won't even get their transportation expenses back.

like despairs' flop taught people nothing.

[sebbivism 134]

Just want to throw my hat into this ring for a minute:

I actually LOVED Mar Maroon XD, I know it's the unpopular opinion, but it's at least a fun album. I like it in the springtime.

Diamond I also actually enjoyed, but not nearly as much as Mar Maroon

Good to hear that somebody else than me loved DIAMOND and mar maroon, for me those are their best albums.

So, is this a major release? For real? Not with that mixing quality...

Yes, the new album is a major release. The label (FIREWALL DIV.) is indeed independed, but it has got a major status because of the distribution contract with Sony Music Entertainment Japan Inc.

[ShanethVarosa 1209]

It almost seems like VK has a bigger audience outside Japan than within Japan.

You'd think there'd be more shows/tours in NA then.

they would largely be not profitable.

if they have 3000 fans in tokyo, they will do most of touring in small clubs and maybe one tour final concert in a concert hall

if they have 5000 fans scattered all over americas, 4000 in Chile and 700/300 for NA/Canada respectively, they won't even get their transportation expenses back.

like despairs' flop taught people nothing.

Ahh, I see... I gotcha. That sucks big time.

[relentless 254]

Yeah, VK bands nowadays are lucky to sell out venues over 2500 capacity. In my recollection a lot can't even push that much.

[sebbivism 134]

It's in cases like this you realize (even if I already knew this) that the visual kei-scene is actually very very "underground" in Japan, when keeping in mind that Japan has a population of ~130 000 000 inhabitants.

[ShanethVarosa 1209]

Hmm, I suppose you're right. Never considered that! I mean I know it's not like the biggest scene in the world, obviously, but I thought they'd pull more weight than that especially major artists... Well I suppose Luna Sea and X wouldn't have these problems maybe even the GazettE or D or MAYBE Versailles? But I can see how 12012 would have sincere trouble especially with an album like this =/

[sai 868]

D has been playing smaller venues lately and the biggest venue they have ever sold out is Shibuya AX I believe. Bands like the GazettE, Alice Nine and even SID can get into these big venues, but that's about it.

[Yasupon 18]

I'm honestly not the least bit surprised.

[Tokage 5930]

It's more surprising to me that a band like SID manages to get huge venues actually. Even though they do have a poppy sound.

[nekkichi 6042]

because their management sees them as direct alice9/larcenciel competitors and pushes more money into marketing/promotion/TV exposure I guess.

[ShanethVarosa 1209]

I'm not surprised at all about SID, I have to agree with nekkichi. They have the same... I guess genre sound of the pop/rock bands. Not only that, but they're AMAZINGLY talented. I'm not a huge fan, personally, but I do know that they're great. They could sell out huge venues.

Back on topic though, 12012 could sell out huge venues because they have the talent and potential to do great things. Seven was amazing and even Mar Maroon and Diamond have the it factor that could make them go far. Their most recent album is a major setback.