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Wow, another case of crazy bandomen...

13 minutes ago, TheZigzagoon said:

I already know what it’s gonna sound like, just listen to a handful of their recent songs, take pieces from them, change the lyrics and BAM! There’s your “new” song from gosan 

 

I wonder how long before the rest of gosan’s fans catch on to this and also get 

I think Gosan is actually THE example of what someone on MH called a derivation of the "host scene", like some kind of urban night entertainment. It described perfectly what I felt after watching some Gosan's live clips: I've got the impression of a watching a bunch of cool guys throwing out a party for bangya at a night club, I mean, for people with "geeky tastes" like anime, brutal metal riffs and suicidal lyrics... but still a night club vibe. Thus said, I don't think I can still consider this "visual kei" any longer... It's actually another kind of stuff...

How was he supposed to find that information? Was he actually living in Japan? Lol

Song is really formulaic, but wow, what a PV! Indie bands aren't the same cringy bandomen with low-budget PVs filmed in their neighborhood anymore lol

Wow, you never stop to find more strange indie vk bands...

OMG, what is the media pretending? To her not get shocked and try to seek for help, at least some cataharsis, only to be a pretty doll? I'm puking...

Japan's still very far from the West in this themes...

1 hour ago, nekkichi said:

there's another angle to why this is reported so often in public (as opposed to the Japanese habit of shunning issues - i.e. in visual kei you'll have apparent suicides disguised as accidents or death/retirement issues never explained in public because the members themselves live relatively private lives) - the bands you're pretty much posting on here exclusively have disturbed, creepy male fans;

 

"hearing issues" is a respectable opt-out of a toxic scene that doesn't seem really removed from general idol mess that literally came through this week again:

 

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/international/8493058/j-pop-girl-group-ngt48-apologizes-discussing-assault-yamaguchi-maho

 

 

I don't think ramen-fed mouthbreathers have a normal human response to their metal-waifus wanting to have kids and healthy families.

So, is this girl actually apologizing for making public that someone tried to assault her? Am I reading right? ... Like Japanese media making a victimizer off the victim? 

I hope we won't suffer again of  watching gloriously skilled VK artist do the weirdest stuff ever imagined (like the Mejibray guys)...

5 hours ago, Kiryu999 said:

Hands down one of their best song imo back when they were still under the name DEPAIN, you have to get used to his singing if you're not familiar with Ryuuka tho

 

 

Their first album morphine-25g is pretty good too, I really like the Thanatos single as well

What an awful singer, but hey, that unexpected twist from a metalcore riffs to a traditional Luna- Seaesque bridge was awesome lol

On 1/11/2019 at 9:09 PM, ricchubunny said:

 

Kyonosu is 22, reiki is 22~23 too (i forgot) LiME and Yue around 30

Wow, never known about a vk band with such ages differences whitin

On 1/11/2019 at 9:25 PM, ricchubunny said:

No. Kyonosu was just his roadie

Interesting!

VK bandoman have this thing of "continuing" their senpais legacy since the beggings of the scene lol

Were the others roadies before?

5 hours ago, frayed said:

I love how like the understandable drum freak out is what everyone’s obsessed with and not a peep about that super exclusive viewing party for the uncensored 0 PV lol.

What happened?

Also, how old are this guys?

I'll always love Masami Okui and Megumi Hayashibara. They've sung beautiful anison themes:

Ida's version sounds good as an anime/VG theme, but God, how are we supposed to keep digging into this scene with all these garbage of guys trying to look all "cute" in front of the camera with all that cheap make up and God-awful clothes taken from a cosplay shop... Is this going to stop someday?

Same here. These ten years listening to VK made me forgot that I crushed on it because first I crushed on J-music, and anime openings and OSTs in general are responsibles for. Since I was very little I felt very overwhelmed when my favorite openings came to play and also very curious about how Japanese sounded and was written; I went head over heels to it, despite my family and friends looking down on it.

It's still a mystery to me why, if almost every 90s kid grew up watching anime in a daily basis, J-music fandom was and still is considered a freak thing...

3 hours ago, Zeus said:

You're not wrong. I would peg the growing interest in anime and Japanese culture to the late 90's and early 2000's. I was too young to notice at the time, but thinking back on it, it was my dad who introduced me to Dragonball Z. He heard about it from his coworkers, all about 30 or 40, so clearly its influence had infiltrated my country by the time I was 5 or 6. Visual kei jumped on the bandwagon a few years after that, because the first time I ever heard about it was in 1999, but it was defo underground at the time and in my entire life I only talked about visual kei in person to seven or eight people. Interest in visual kei spiked around 2003-2004 and reached critical mass around 2007-2009. These days, it's almost impossible to find new fans in the flesh.

I won't even try to analyze the reasons why interest died off since I'm not certified in it, but what I can say is that at some point interest in Japanese music fell off completely. I have friends who will admit to watching anime, playing JRPGs, going to anime conventions and cosplaying, but not one of them talks about listening to the music.  If I were pressed to give a reason for this, I would point to K-Pop. I know many a fan who jumped ship to K-Pop once the craze died down, and to be honest it feels more socially acceptable to like K-Pop than visual kei these days because one is more commercialized than the other. To J- and K-music outsiders, I can see how the distinction between "J-Rock" and "K-Pop" is irrelevant when they don't understand the words anyway, so I'd say that for many people K-Pop fills that musical niche for their interest in ~exotic Asian musics~ where J-Music should be.

 

A lot of my fondness for this era is because this was the music I listened to in my formative years and I will always have a soft spot for it, but I'd be lying if I said 2008 wasn't the best time ever to be a visual kei fan. It was.

So true that I got a little emotional.

Thanks for this. 

Actually I don't hate any band or member in particular, I just ignore it, as somebody else said above. 

What I actually hate is the much idolized vk industry got in the last 10 years. Sometimes I can't believe my eyes when I got to see horrible things like "Babykingdom" or "the Raid", and people liking them "because they are cute"... Well, at least they make some people have what seems a good time of enjoyment...

Oh yeah, I also hate that part of the West DEG fandom that born with Uroboros... They totally drive me crazy.

Pd: Mejibray had a bunch of awful fillers but wonder singles until Decadance.

On 11/12/2018 at 4:24 PM, Alkaloid said:

They were going to do one, but not anymore :c

 

 

What's the issue?

And how's that supposed to be a Gazette parody?

54 minutes ago, libertine said:

I'm not a scholar on the subject, but I suspect Tommy's connections and arrangement with Yoshiki had a lot to do with how much Dir en Grey was able to achieve early on. Particularly around their major debut. I'm sure most of the money from that flowed straight to Yoshiki's back pocket.

I sent you a private message, in case you haven't noticed!😊

2 hours ago, libertine said:

Yeah, it's not like we're talking about a doctoral dissertation. This is commercially produced music by dudes who basically only started playing music because of the bands they ended up copying (who also started out like that). It's simply the coolest thing they know at that point. This applies to all VK bands, just like it applied to all the rock music pioneers. Eventually those influences fade, but not just because the players suddenly grew a spine and started playing original music like all real musicians. What actually happens is that they live, gain experience and accumulate more influences, becoming more eclectic over time. With Dir en Grey those influences can be particularly difficult to trace, but they're there. Along with the patterns they learned when covering the bands of their youth.

 

People always knock the small indie bands for unoriginality. Sure, indie VK can be incredibly low-effort and some bands seem to be in no hurry to stop being tribute bands, but sometimes I wonder if things would be different if new bands could got the same opportunities as Dir en Grey. What if your musical community wasn't degrading, but actually still kind of blossoming? What if all the most popular bands in that scene disbanded within those first few critical years leaving space for newcomers? What if a member of one of those bands ended up lending you some of his reputation and production talent to give your major debut a boost? Maybe that would have given this hypothetical band just enough of an audience to keep playing. Maybe that would have helped them reach a point where they can earn their living with music and therefore can fully dedicate themselves to growing as musicians. Maybe they'd be around long enough for people to forget they once had those blatant influences and only know them as the legends that now influence the newer generations. Of course there are infinite possibilities for a band to thrive or fail, but you know, everything counts.

 

So I really don't care too much about influence/plagiarism. I don't really judge bands based on it, but I do like to learn about it and build a more complete and human picture of the scene. I also think it's important to educate people on the matter, because I hate where the talk about influence inevitably leads when people have a limited understanding of it.

Been thinking the same all this time.  Always remember that the Dir guys where picked by Yoshiki to get their first major single produced (and were produce by Yukiya right before that). They all had between 19 and 24 yo at that time, and were so little talented that they also performed terrible at a Budokan hall that they managed to pack with only a year or a year and a half of being born... everything was like a rollercoaster to them: one year they form, the other they manage to appear on TV and make a Budokan performance and the other they are blessed with the arranges of the drummer of one of Japan hot acts of the time... A very Justin-Biebery story if you ask me... I wonder what could have happenes to them if they actually didn't make it to get all that infrastructure behind them at their very beginning, and how the hell did they do it to get it so immediatly... They were cool, but c'mon not THAT revolutionary! Maybe they would have been nobody and only left a couple of weird indie kotekote demos like the ones we hardcore fans desperately look for...

10 hours ago, KnaveMurdok said:

So I picked this up from an ebay auction earlier last month, and it finally arrived at my home yesterday. 
I'd never heard of it before, and at first was questioning it's validity, but given the nature of Kozi's post MM stuff, I worried that if i didn't buy it right then and there, I'd never see it again, so I took a chance.

It's just a burned CD-R, blue backed, comes in a cardboard slipcase with a plastic sleeve.
For being a CD-R, the CD label is VERY finely printed, very professional looking, which, is great for me, cuz there's nothing worse than an amateur looking release to stick out like a sore thumb in a nice collection

I was wondering if anyone had any info on this piece. Google has been surprisingly unhelpful.
I'm ASSUMING this was a soundtrack Kozi composed for an art exhibition of some kind, which took place between Oct. 18th and Nov. 12th 2013.
There is no track listing, and I have to admit, in the midst of my crazy bullshit life, I've not gotten a chance to put this baby in and actually LISTEN to it yet. i'm hoping i can set some time aside after work today, maybe while I'm decorating my Chrimbo Tree.

I'll post again if listening yields any amazing revelations, in the mean time, if anyone knows more than I do and wants to share, i'd be hecking grateful.

https://imgur.com/KtIrF3b

https://imgur.com/HPxHLPj

Please, share it!

The outfits so, so generic if you ask me, I won't let it hype that much. 

VK idol look_01.jpeg: 

Any information on who runs this label? I've only came to now Paradeis; the rest are ignominious to me. I feel this label is much like Starwave Records: they pull on and out a lot of shitty untalented bands, and don't seem to ever stop and try to come with something more worthy its listening...

1 hour ago, LIDL said:

 

Why do you feel sick about this? That happened everywhere. Like, Isn't the opposite happen to some of us here? Looking down on local western music and only like foreign music, in this case, Japanese VK music? 😂😂😂

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(god, how I wish I lived in Japan just to get really involved with all those awesome artists they have...).

Btw, in my case, the love for VK hasn't made me look down on local music; all over the contrary.  Tastes.

Btw, Kyo seems to have published a child story book with drawing made by himself. Apparently he went to Sanrio Co. (a.k.a Hello Kitty developers) to proppose them the idea of work it togheter (???) but they turned it off instantly (WTF was Kyo thinking). Here's the news: https://www.asahi.com/sp/and_M/interest/entertainment/Cfettp01811252969.html?fbclid=IwAR1RlrqK8p4onNLeupWuD7fL0CtmjZYnW-7j8YL7O-TlVOfexzIo4o68EA0 

My japanese is very bad, so maybe I could actually misundertand something. Help, senpais!

P.D.: MFW Dir is still considered a visual-kei act for the Japanese media... Well, of course I do it too, but when I recall the many times they tried to deny beign part of the scene... lol

1 hour ago, Kelrya said:

Yeah my gf is Japanese but she mostly just listens to American pop music, although she had at least heard of DEG before we met. The only VK she listens to is L’arc and hide I think. I have one Japanese friend who listens to metal so he knows them but the rest of my Japanese friends have never heard of them. Strangely a lot of karaoke places in Japan have their music, I like going with a group of people and seeing their reaction to me singing Different Sense or something lol. I can try to translate that commercial later when I have time.

I so agree. When the Internet says that VK scene isn't actually a LITTLE well-known in Japan is something difficult to believe to us who have VK on their daily basis, but yeah, even filling a two-days Budokan every tour finale makes you just "popular"... I mean, you actually are popular, but in terms of 1 in a scale of 10. Let's say you are known but ot relevant. Average pople in Japan actually know what VK is, but it seems so weird to them that they have literally zero real interest in getting into it. All they do is to listen to the big 90s classics that left their mark with fire into the pop charts (X, hide, Luna Sea, L'arc, Glay, and MAYBE some "Melty Love" by Shazna... and you stop counting). Gazette made their name into the Japanese metal scene, though, but general Japanese metal audience just have this really sexist predjuice about "VK being for teenage girls", also many of them just look down over the local scene and tend to like only foreign music (this last opinion makes me instantly puke; god, how I wish I lived in Japan just to get really involved with all those awesome artists they have...).

(Source: Japanese people I met in real life).