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Since there are many old-Dezert hardcore fans, I thought one of you could explain the meaning behind the lyrics and PV for Ikaiyo to Rosseau no shikkaku? I've always loved that song, and wondered about why they would use a not-sure-if-he-is-a-psychopath-or-psychotic gay guy history to portray the concept...

58 minutes ago, lollipopmonstar said:

I've never liked DEZERT, but since TODAY I feel so connected to them! For me, "Call of Rescue" is perfect! "Stranger" is simply the best song of the single! I hope you continue on this path!

Run, you surely are going to get slaughtered here!

I liked the chorus melody. At least isn't embarrasing in levels of Hueye.

2 hours ago, CELESTIAL CIEL said:

uninspired and unskilled are synonyms for 99.9% of nowadays visual kei bands.

Also sadly true lol

5 hours ago, Disposable said:

I don't think this is a debate thread, but I really do take issue with calling a band like Baiser uninspired when they changed up the formula with each album they released. The first album and demos don't even sound like the same band that made the second one, and by the last one they'd tightened up their game considerably from the third. La'mule also showed healthy progression throughout and the BERLIN single sounds like they would've had another chapter ahead of them had they not disbanded. 

They are both actually enjoyable bands, but on the other hand I feel that I can't worship them more than other artists of their time, compared to whom they really seem so amateurish it hurts sometimes, heh. But hey, this is also me looking for 'quality' music, and, if there is anything VK taught me, is that 75% of the times I should enjoy other aspects of the bands within the scene rather than their musicianship, lol!

1 hour ago, kuyashii said:

I was glad Kyo ditched the emo rapper look but holy shit, wtf was that

 

Waiting for him to sound the worst he ever did. For some reason his vocals on Sukekiyo are always much worse than the ones on DeG (for real, the Immortalis-Arche-Adoratio-TIW run was a total vocal see-saw for him) and now he's smoking again that definitely is going to be even more evident.

 

Couldn't care less for Sukekiyo though

Kyo isn't flawless, we already know he had always pushed himself so hard that today he has a pretty much messed up throat. But I feel his work in sukekiyo, while being way more melodic and sophisticated than in late Dir, let him put out the best of his performance all the way up rather than in his former band. So listening to sukekiyo feels actually really refreshing and more natural when it is about listening to Kyo, imho.

Is this a VK Touhou project?

2 hours ago, GreatNorthernVK said:

With the exception of a handful of songs, I really don’t care for La’Mule or Baiser.

They were really amateur. Some songs are catchy, but nothing more than that. When you listen 5+ songs you quickly find them uninspired and unskilled.

On 4/7/2019 at 11:05 AM, yume utsutsu said:

 

That awfully played solo...

Yikes.

Don't know guys... The first albums are full of memorable songs, I mean, songs that are easily recognizable, they stick to your soul no matter what you try to keep them off, and thus made TG what they are now. 

Toxic, Divison, Beautiful deformity, Dogma... they certainly have memorable songs, but they are 1 or 2 out of generic Slipknot-Mansonesque fillers...

If it wasn't for Ruki's awesome dramatic vocals and some epic solos by Uruha, they music doesn't deliver something worth listening to me, instead it sounds pretty uninspired....  Even Reita got lazy and left the full-melodic lines that define the climax of their songs (and are an essential item of what makes vk stand out of other music genres).

For me, they are still certainly good composer and performers, but their time to shine has passed on. Nowadays they can only deliver "listeneable" music and "enjoyable" live shows, but always predictable and more-less formulaic, nothing compared to the masterpieces on Nil, Stacked rubbish or Dim scene, songs that, liked or not, definitely made them stand out at their time into a scene that fills very quickly with shitty acts made for the massive need of male-worship of hysteric bangya.

4 hours ago, Tokage said:

resurrecting this thread just to say that i feel like raison d'etre is a real underrated track and it's prob one of my fave 90s vk songs ever 

This song is one of the main reasons why I started playing bass. Still there isn't anything that sounds like this in the whole VK story. Probably one of the best examples of Dir's versatility at composing.

On 3/17/2019 at 6:21 PM, libertine said:

I only listen to visual kei bands that say they don't think of themselves as a visual kei band, despite looking like one, sounding like one, being signed to a visual kei label and only providing interviews to visual kei magazines. When asked about who their influences are and bands they might have influenced, they answer that they don't have influences and don't know anything about other bands. They do like X-Japan though.

Basically every VK band that tried to jump on the West circa 2007. So cringey it hurts. 

Btw, my bandmates may act the same. Our songwriting screams "visual kei" in every sense but whenever someone points out anything towards that direction over it they would say "Wtf man, actually we do math rock, we have zero to do with those jap weirdos".

??????????????

Luckily I've recently gotten over it.

Yeah, every song there is very formulaic, but if this is what assures them a good income of money to keep doing what they love... good for them. They are very talented and deserve to be succesful in what they do. Same goes for Kiryu among many other bands that are coming trough the same situation today.

Also, remember VK is nowadays an item of urban night entertainment aimed to otaku and "alternative" girls, thus following this trend of "party" industrial tunes may be a must for every band active in today's scene. Btw, was Gazette's "Inside beast" that started it all?

15 minutes ago, The Moon said:

the fact that a legend like maya is playing to a crowd of like 6 people...the homophobia jumped ouT 

Is Maya non-straight?

5 hours ago, IGM_Oficial said:

So, they came to a point that they have to recycle not only music, but lyrics. Did anyone notice that they reuse some pieces of lyrics from older songs on the new ones? It's not the repetition of common words, but, sometimes, big pieces of text. It annoys me a little, but it's nothing that bad.

Pure management exploitation. That's all, folks. I stopped listeing to Kiryu a long time ago after Kyouka suigetsu because of this. Seriously, this is perverse.

I still can't figure out how the members actually seem to survive

Kiryu fans must reconsider worshiping this blood-and-tears effort, if they feel at least a little human empathy for any of these guys.. 

On 2/7/2019 at 3:21 PM, Peace Heavy mk II said:

 

 

 

 

A US-made documentary on visual-kei that only discusses X, Gackt, Miyavi, and The GazettE with 0 mention of the indie scene or any other founding fathers / influencers. Endingo is interviewed

 

More vkei x Drag Race cross pollination happens. RuPaul eventually says "Eroguro" and twitter creates discourse on how problematic the scene is due to the lack of Korean pop inclusion / they find out that 90's bands used swastikas as an aesthetic

My god, this is so accurate

Thanks @hyura!

And thanks @Takadanobabaalien for giving that girl a true lesson back then!

So... the pronostic you guys are making is pretty dark, isn't it?

1 hour ago, frayed said:

Conditions were not ideal with Forum before any of the hiatus bullshit came about, and they just got worse after the fact. There was no time to write music, impossibly long hours at any given time of the year, one of the members was usually sick. Some members are still under contract to Forum, but that hasn’t stopped them (at least one of them) from visiting 8P on their own time. Fuck Forum, seriously.

Can you go into more details?

On 1/4/2019 at 9:17 AM, Yukami said:

 

Michi is unrecognizable... How can this almost-if-not 50s man look like a teenager anime character...

Kizu always 

Wasn't Ains a label of Yo-ka? Who is Yukika?

What it really pissed me off of Cinema Bizarre was the fact that they looked really vk... but didn't sounded vk at all.

We could have had a little vk music to reach the West mainstream, guys...

1 hour ago, Seelentau said:

 

22 years ago, on January 24, 1997, DIR EN GREY played their first ever show at Nagano J.

Kyo, Kaoru, Die and Shinya arrived the day before and met Toshiya in a parking lot.

They stayed at Toshiya's parents' house over night and on the next day, they booked two hours in a studio to rehearse.

In the evening, there was an event and the future members of DIR EN GREY performed on stage together for the first time.

Since they had not thought of a band name, they called themselves DEATHMASK and played around four Kuroyume cover songs.

Toshiya also performed with D+L as their support guitarist on that evening.
So since it's already the 24th in Japan, today marks 22 years since the true beginning of DIR EN GREY! 😊

So was Toshiya actually a guitarist?

Now his way of playing bass arranges makes sense...

39 minutes ago, violetchain said:

The Kiyoharu photoshoot everyone knows

 

Wataru from LIPHLICH's "Beauty Calendar" that was mostly shots of his ass.

  

At least these are more artsy, and Wataru does have a cool ass with those really beautiful tattoos.