Nyasagi

Their "muddy cult" PV got my attention when it was released (I love bloody stuff), I also fell in love with the song. At that time I was also quite depressed, so listening to their music in the bus made me feel like I was in a different emotional reality, because the music is so gloomy. I loved their dark and brutal image, it was something I needed in visual kei, because so many bands chose the safe route of not adding anything shocking to their work. Jin's voice isn't that bad, because it's not edited to make it sound better, he sings exactly the same in reality, he didn't disappoint me (also, he's very charismatic on stage!). There are many vocalists who sound great on the studio recordings, but like crap on the lives. I would rather get the real thing. He may not be perfect, but I just like his voice, it's unique among all these vk dudes who sing in a very high tone and sound similar to each other.

I've always loved them because of Jin's harsh and raw vocals. I can't really suggest something completely set in stone because I have no favourites and I usually prefer the least favoured materials in general (example = my most liked tracks from them is the ballads). I'd say check out their PV 'muddy cult.' (see spoiler~) It's where I started, iirc. Not that screamo but also not that pretty (in every sense x'D). Oh yeah, I also favour 'VANITAS' over their first album, 'GRAVE OF THE SACRIFICE' so there's another thing why my suggestions should go unnoticed. ='D
 

My question was always: why don't people love ネガ? For me, they were one of the most charismatic and emotionally sustained bands around, and in their legacy they still are. Both visually as well as musically. I could simply explain them with the song 'guilt trip' on the album GRAVE OF THE SACRIFICE, which is likely the most recommended album by them. I've had the privilege of hearing this track live and I still can't get over how far it reached within me. 
 
I think they stand out because being founded in 2004, there weren't that many visual kei bands around with this image, or at least not in the spotlights. Kotekote had somewhat died out at the time and the mid-2000's were a place for lighter visual kei music like your mentioned vistlip, GUILD, An Cafe, etc. — ネガ broke through that image with being rancid and edgy, and I think quickly took the limelight with their aestethics. And oh, they've had the pleasure of bringing one of the best drummers of visual kei deeper into the scene for as long as it lasted, I'm still sad Yuu left (although I can totally imagine him playing jazz-piano in some bar).
 
It hurts me to see how many people had and still have criticism on Jin's vocal abilities, however. There was a time when VANITAS was released, people were trashtalking him so much that he actually personally apologized on his ameblo for his performances on the album. But I love Jin, I love how lively he is, how bubbly of a character he has off-stage opposed of how he acts on the stage, how kind he is to his bands and fans. Not to mention, I love his music, simply put. For me, he is one of those guys who can undoubtedly cross that bridge toward someone's personal life-experiences and feelings.

As a person who experienced a lot of shit from other people, I will tell you one thing: other people aren't worth anything when they treat you like shit. Human trash isn't worth your pain. If there's anyone who treats you well, better give them extra attention and take care of them, instead of wasting time on bullies.
 
I was bullied in my primary school, secondary school, high school a little, because I became avoiding people. I don't even know why, but I don't care. When I wasn't fat, they called me fat and I was stupid enough to believe in that. Now I'm fat for real, but losing weight for other people is too troublesome. I want to lose it, but not for other people... and definitely not by throwing up. If someone doesn't like my appearance, they may look at someone else.
 
Read your post again, carefully. I can see that people won't like you no matter what you do, so be yourself and enjoy it, because others will complain anyway, so it's better to be yourself than fit into their image of a normal human being and be unhappy with that.

I'm a night owl but the society is forcing me to be a morning bird.

^ I think it is more about simply not letting yourself be influenced too greatly by other people who bully you (even though that's extremely tough). If you remain civil with them where they are rude and don't let things get to you, they will eventually grow tired of their own attempts at wanting to stand above you, and they will realize they aren't as great as they themselves claim to be and stop their mindless idiocy.

^ 
 
In addition to your defence mechanisms in bullying situations I'd advice people to be nice to everyone. That'll both eventually get you new friends and annoy the shit out of your bullies. 
 
Yes, it's true bullying isn't restricted only in school, but also in the streets, hobbies, home, and work. For me the latter has been quite the hard part, and I've even had my shift manager bully me by humiliating me in front of other workers and clients. I've also had a couple of my co-workers pinpoint how wrong I do stuff without bothering to tell me how to do things differently. And one of my co-workers just plainly said "What the fuck do you care about me? You're just a co-worker." 
 
But eventually I've learned, that being nice and acting normal even around the people who bully you is the best defence you can have. That annoys them so much, like their words never meant a shit to you. And everyone else around you will see how much of an upper person you are, not getting involved or trashy about the whole situation, and treating even your enemies equally. 
 
But that's the hardest defence as well. When you've had your whole life someone always bullying you and putting you down, it's really, really, really hard to suddenly be nice to everyone. But trust me, it pays off. It might not seem like it at first, but it pays off in the end. You'll see that pretending you don't give a hoot about bullies will result in you actually not give a hoot about bullies. And other optimistic, nice people, that you wanted to surround yourself with to begin with, will suddenly, just like that, be drawn towards you. 
 
So don't be scared to be overly happy, optimistic and smiling. If for no other reason, then at least to annoy your bullies.

People try to pinhole bullying into just simple schoolyard terms, like bigger or more popular people picking on smaller people in overt ways throughout life. That happens, and is terrible, but people also dont see all the other forms of bullying that permeate all of society.
 
Pretty much everyone bullies either consciously or unconsciously at points, or throughout their whole life.
One of the ways they do it, is through NUMBERS.
 
It can be just having your own group, and some dude not having anyone. Then even if you are all weak emotionally and physically, you can still pick on someone generally stronger than you because you have all these numbers on your side.
 
In the classroom, if an opinion isn`t liked, even in top Universities, and even if the opinion isn`t harmful or ignorant or anything in any way... If the numbers are against you, if the number of students who disagree is heavy enough, if someone feels like it they can absolutely crush most people and their opinions. The teachers can get the class to do this to you as well if they please. Sometimes people can be straight up correct, but a large enough number of people who believe in the wrong thing can send them packing.
 
People will look for any way to get numbers on their side and reap the rewards off of other people.
 
Their have been so many times I had to stick up for people who were being outnumbered in social or work environments. Sometimes people dont even need allies present to bully people with numbers, all they need is an audience, a crowd. If someone is a good talker, they can play the crowd and get the people to turn on you, even if they dont know those people.
 
One of the best things you can do in life to defend yourself is learn how to be a good trash-talker, who can keep it Politically Correct, and be good at the corporate e-mail game.
 
If you can take insults and throw them back into peoples faces, without you looking like an @$$, then you`ve got something. If you can do that while working the crowd, letting them know how much you just owned your opponent and why they should like you more then him, then you will be able to crush almost any verbal bullies in the workplace or social events.
 
That is of course if things wont get physical. If you are at school, or on the street, in a club, or at a party, people honestly usually cant handle a verbal smack-down, and will resort to violence. No matter what... you lose in these instances. There are many examples like this in bullying where the victims just cant win at that moment.
 
No matter what, if that person has a tight crew around them who wont turn on them, then the victims of bulliyng really have limited options. This can be anywhere from class, to work, to facebook, to internet forums. No matter what, you can still be painted to be, and believed to be the bad guy, and you will have to suffer from that because the people who want to punish you have numbers on their side, and there will be no justice.
 
The terms of what numbers can bully isnt just limited to attacking you either. They can bully your taste, bully your character, your ways of expressing yourself. If you like the wrong music, or talk in the wrong way, or get too much attention, people will use numbers to change that, or box you in, and put a glass ceiling on your growth, so that no matter how hard you try, no matter how high you reach, there will be no victory for you.
 
 
No matter where I look, there are numbers against people. I try to lead by example, and not bully people in any way, no matter how small, but I know there will always be somewhere close by that I can look to see 5-on-1, or 25-on-1, or even 25,000-1 as a whole arena boo`s someone and yells hateful things at them. All I can do then is try to be the extra 1 in 25,000-to-1, and make it 25,000-to-2. It`s not easy, but hopefully some people see what is right, and help even the odds.

Worse type of bullies: PARENTS!

These are the only "friends" I need. 
 

 
Abe understands me.

Most yt comments under vk videos are dumb fangirling, maybe that's why.

Most yt comments under vk videos are dumb fangirling, maybe that's why.

Most yt comments under vk videos are dumb fangirling, maybe that's why.

i hust want to add, that my inner 12 year old had to giggle at this
 

 
pfffffthuehuehue....hue... i'm so sorry, i'll show myself out...

Sagittarius isn't unemotional, where did you even read that? All fire signs are very emotional.

Wow, just...wow. You all must be so proud of yourselves for these posts. Bullying is so cool, right? The person you're all talking shit about has stated multiple times that they already feel bad enough about the way they feel about these sorts of things and here you guys are. What if they read this? What if they feel even worse because of this, will you feel proud if you managed to make someone feel bad about themselves, someone who didn't in any form or manner hurt you? Someone who did not deserve this?
 
Any form of bullying will not be tolerated on this forum. Anyone who continues will receive the appropriate punishment. Stay on topic from now on.

Incogneeto, dude... I wouldn't like to be your friend, if you're so bitter over everything. Sure, we do want everything best for ourselves, but we can't explain everything with the logic. Yeah, many people are assholes, but when you're getting something good, better appreciate it, instead of being suspicious and overanalyzing it. This kind of attitude will only make you unhappy. Shit may happen anytime, that's why you should just enjoy your present and live without regrets.

Nyasagi, merry birthday!~

Happy birthday Nyasagi

Incogneeto, dude... I wouldn't like to be your friend, if you're so bitter over everything. Sure, we do want everything best for ourselves, but we can't explain everything with the logic. Yeah, many people are assholes, but when you're getting something good, better appreciate it, instead of being suspicious and overanalyzing it. This kind of attitude will only make you unhappy. Shit may happen anytime, that's why you should just enjoy your present and live without regrets.

I disagree that friends care only about themselves. My real life friend helped me a lot when I was in a difficult situation. It's rare, but it does happen. I'd do the same for her, if I could.

What I don't like about  western "Visual Kei" bands is that most if not all of them only focus on achieving the VK look but they don't try to replicate the more typical Visual Kei sound, that is something like old school Visual kei, fast drumming, changes in speed, hypnotic sinister melodies, etc like bands such as Aliene Ma'riage, Lar~Mia, what Dir en grey did in GAUZE, etc and more etc.
 
And then most of them seem to write cheesy lyrics; there isn't much about writing songs with provoking lyrics.
 
And there isn't a dramatic element in what they present visually either. No theatrical performances.
 
I think that Visual Kei bands in other Asian countries tend to be closer to Japanese Visual Kei though.
 
This is my very personal opinion on what I would expect in a western band that it is supposed to do Visual Kei.

BORN announced the release of their DVD containing shows from Europe. It will contain footage from 7 shows around Europe and it will be released on 29 December!
 
The name of the DVD is BOOTLEG BORN in Europe!!
 


 
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The song isn't bad, but I think the PV is just boring. They could film a PV to a different song, this one was a bad choice, imo. I agree with the person who said it's bland.

Yes, and?    What substantial difference would it make to the music if all these things were suddenly gone? The musical heritage and traditions of visual kei would remain intact nonetheless, and most importantly what does it matter if they cater to fangirls? Is the implication here that if visual kei ditched the aesthetic and became "serious music" catering to males in their 20's and 30's the artists then would aspire to some never before seen heights of musical integrity? Oh if finally I could take Gazette to dinner parties and church fund raisers and impress all my buddies! While OP here was being more modest than usual the folk who go about the issue, this is basically what was being said here: "I am ashamed of listening to music with musicians who don't look acceptable and only if they could ditch the aesthetic and move on to make serious real music!". The real irony in this usually is that the people who do move on from visual kei usually go to no greener pastures and instead masturbate over some awful garbage like metal bands fresh from their show at Wacken.   What people seem to often disregard is that no musical movement is void of extra-musical bells and whistles and musicians of all of them tend to fit a certain image often ascribed to the people who play the sort of music that they do. As if everything from indie rock to punk and bloody witch house didn't have a carefully thought out image to fill, and the reason why this is, is that the artists prefer it that way. If it weren't all about the looks then why do all the bands of particular scenes look exactly same? It is the culture which has developed hand in hand with the music itself, and they are inseparable. 
 
I can only deduce that people who would prefer their visual kei in backwards caps and cargo shorts are tasteless ingrates insecure about their own image.