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And I didn't mean to indicate that you have said they are the same. I am sorry if that came over as such. I was just trying to illustrate a possible reason for the lack of "heavy" bands in goth, especially in the current scene which is far more focused on recycling the 80s than 90s (which def had a few heavier bands, see Rosetta Stone, Catherines Cathedral, Angina Pectoris and even the Nephilim).
 
Heavy isn't really what most people in the self proclaimed "trad goth" scene listen to and that is reflected by the playlists you see on the net and the styles of music new bands play. 
 
Was not stating it as a fact, that Samhain aren't a deathrock band, I said I FEEL they are more punk, which is my subjective opinion. Deathrock they are indeed, but they also mix a lot of other influences. They aren't a "pure" deathrock (as in that they only play straight deathrock) band in my own book, hence they also sound so different than any other bands of the genre. And that may be why you would likely not find something that truly compares to them.
 
I also have to add that I am not very well versed with their disco (as well as the Misfits' and Danzig in general) and most of the people in my local goth and deathrock circle seem to prefer other bands, such Christian Death (very cliché, but what can you do since Rozz has reached icon status in the scene), the Screaming Dead, Burning Image and most of those "deathrock revival" bands (funnily enough, they all love Rudimentary Peni for some reason). My knowledge about Samhain may thus be limited, but you are always free to correct me (I did for example never listen completely to that album you posted). 
 
But all of that again reflects how much goffs don't curr about heavy stuff (and are rather stuck in the 80s). And my guess is, that you will likely find more bands of that style when you focus more on the metal and hardcore end of the music spectrum. Alaric for example I stumbled upon by mere accident, they were not supported or advertised by people I follow (who mostly listen to Joy Division clones), but by metal blogs.
 
Do you people know the CVLT nation website? They write mostly about dark music, no matter the genre, inclding sections dedicated to deathrock, metal, post-punk, etc. In my experience their deathrock section features a whole lot more of these style cross-over bands. 
 
Such as these groups:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Also maybe you don't know this yet; this album of the band is often labeled as Hardcore/deathrock.
 
 
 
 
Not sure if these have already been mentioned in this thread:
 
Pinkish Black, Anasazi, Rakta, Secta, Deathcharge, Deth Crux, Death Index
 
^These are all of the punkier and heavier bands I know the top of my head.
 
Since I have already mentioned Alaric, there is also a band called Atriarch and they play doom metal mixed with deathrock influences.
 
Also I recommend to check out bands from the blackened shoegaze/Blackgaze scene. There seems to be a recent trend there to combine blackgaze with doom metal and add hardcore (and deathrock) elements.
 
Maybe this helps
 
 
 

Their first live will be on 2017.07.22. I did not find any websites/twitters.
 
Members :
Vo JIGAI
Gt 南(Minami)
Gt 百合子(Yuriko)
Ba 眞子(Mako)
 
 
 

Nothing happens today at work atm, so time to shitpost some artz:
 

 
Moar Madeth fanart, this time it's Izumi and Reika
 

 
As you can see I really like purple...
 
 

 
Random edgy VK dude inspired by good old D'espairsRay's looks
 
 

 
Something older when I felt extra shite and in the mood of RIP
 

 
Some sketch I like

revive the thread with this nice post of Kyohei (showing him and Hisui back in the 90s/early 00s without make-up)
 
 
I really wonder how Hisui looks now…
 

I just got my most recent old school vk haul today. 
 

Pins - Ladies Room, Sleep My Dear, and two Tokyo Yankees
 

Baiser - En Fleur special video box
Aura - Fantastic Aura Show '90 + 8 Clips DVD
 
With the Aura DVD just being a limited release via Sony's order by demand that were shipped out back in May, I was super happy I hadn't shelled out any money for their major label VHSes yet.  This DVD has all three of their tapes Fantastic Aura Show '90, First Vision -Into the Aurand-, and Big-Bang We Love the Earth.
 

Media Youth - Song For Scar People
La'Mule - 時ノ葬列
La'Mule - Climax
Stella Maria - Un-titled
La'Mule - inspire
Basier - 時ノ葬列
Sleep My Dear - From Inside of Brain
La'Mule - Curse
 

Everything in this picture is still factory sealed, but I will be opening them as I didn't buy them to just look pretty on my shelf.
 
Baiser - Heaven
Aliene Ma'riage - La Matinée
La'Mule - Berlin
La'Mule - サイコダイヴ

revive the thread with this nice post of Kyohei (showing him and Hisui back in the 90s/early 00s without make-up)
 
 
I really wonder how Hisui looks now…
 

20 min sketch of our edgelord and saviour, Hisui. Semi inspired by this awesome artist.

Nothing happens today at work atm, so time to shitpost some artz:
 

 
Moar Madeth fanart, this time it's Izumi and Reika
 

 
As you can see I really like purple...
 
 

 
Random edgy VK dude inspired by good old D'espairsRay's looks
 
 

 
Something older when I felt extra shite and in the mood of RIP
 

 
Some sketch I like

20 min sketch of our edgelord and saviour, Hisui. Semi inspired by this awesome artist.

Nothing happens today at work atm, so time to shitpost some artz:
 

 
Moar Madeth fanart, this time it's Izumi and Reika
 

 
As you can see I really like purple...
 
 

 
Random edgy VK dude inspired by good old D'espairsRay's looks
 
 

 
Something older when I felt extra shite and in the mood of RIP
 

 
Some sketch I like

Long overdue update.
 

 


 

Well, Rozz Williams (Christian Death) kinda did something  similar back in the 80s/early 90s
 

 
But this might just be a coincidence. Rozz had some sort of influence on VK though. I think there was an interview of Baiser's Yukari where he stated that he was very much into Alien Sex Fiend and Christian Death and some of VKs root sound and looks can be traced back to deathrock music and fashion. But Kiyoharu, Kon and Co. might have also come up with that stuff all by themselves.
 

This shit right here. Under Syndrome's Sleaver PV. A band using the manji/swastika because of religious reasons is understandable and nothing to debate about. But you really have to be a fool to overlook the obvious Nazi imagery when it's a friggin' swastika on a Nazi armbinder, which is even attached to a SS style unifrom/dress. 
And yeah, I am aware that bands did in fact use this as a way to shock. Doesn't excuse to say "It's certainly not having to do with Nazis at all!!!"
 

Well, Rozz Williams (Christian Death) kinda did something  similar back in the 80s/early 90s
 

 
But this might just be a coincidence. Rozz had some sort of influence on VK though. I think there was an interview of Baiser's Yukari where he stated that he was very much into Alien Sex Fiend and Christian Death and some of VKs root sound and looks can be traced back to deathrock music and fashion. But Kiyoharu, Kon and Co. might have also come up with that stuff all by themselves.
 

Tss, these posers will NEVER be as cool as the trve Azalea:
 
 
 

Don't know whether this is a newb, troll, or is just delusional. (What's worse is that it comes from an argument on Vkei being Emo. Yeah to end it all, last time I checked, Emo was Rites of Spring, Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, AFI and Jawbreaker)
 
And yes, definitely the ancient Japanese, the Jomon and Yayoi peoples, were playing heavy metal while wearing a lot of makeup. Forget all those archaeologists who said they only had 6 string Kotos and Clay flutes. This guy is obviously an expert on Vkei

Maybe it's just me, but imo  that whole sleaze rock and love"metal" thing was kinda lukewarm and suffered from the exact same symptoms as gaijin bands (lulzy make up, lame outfits and repetitive music). Funnily enough, a band who parodies that stuff as well as hair metal , Steel panther, is very enjoyable. Also Crashdiet were (or are? No longer following their activities, tbh) okay. I am however glad that that fad has already died out. 
 
When it comes to glam (and its relations to old VK), stuff á la Lou Reed, David Bowie, The Sweet, Roxy Music, T.Rex, Hanoi Rocks or (especially) the New York Dolls come to my mind. But that shite's already way too old and most people do not care about 60/70ss pre-punk glitter rock. People want their  modern pop rock hooks (see sleaze rock) or metulcore (see contemporary VK). There is a reason why Bowie jumped the glam ship in the late 70s and why there are no true, classic glam bands around these days. It died out like many other styles of music.
 
VK is rooted there, but imo it has evolved beyond being just "japanese glam". Especially considering how many other, different scenes have influenced it, such as New Wave, hardrock, (Hardcore) Punk, etc. The fault of most of these swede kei bands is actually that they look and sound more like Lovex & Co. or like mid 00s Myspace scene bands rather than VK bands.
 

allure idea will revive for one day at Sapporo Crazy Monkey at 2017/9/2.
 

Moving is so annoying. Especially when you have no car, don't want to use an expensive moving service and have to do it all on your own. In the last two weeks I was moving so many kilos of stuff I got muscle pain. Why do I have to have so many CDs and clothes… will take forever to get it all into my flat.
 
At least I have my own place to live and I am finally all by myself. No longer weird stares when my mum peaks into my room while I dance to my shitty trash music or dress up
 

 

Tss, these posers will NEVER be as cool as the trve Azalea:
 
 
 

interesting how in this discussion about gaijins imitatiing trve VKei no one has mentioned this guy before (who seems to split people's opinions just as much):
 

 
Tbh, his look come a lot more closer to actual VK than most of the swede kei bands

Moving is so annoying. Especially when you have no car, don't want to use an expensive moving service and have to do it all on your own. In the last two weeks I was moving so many kilos of stuff I got muscle pain. Why do I have to have so many CDs and clothes… will take forever to get it all into my flat.
 
At least I have my own place to live and I am finally all by myself. No longer weird stares when my mum peaks into my room while I dance to my shitty trash music or dress up
 

 

Moving is so annoying. Especially when you have no car, don't want to use an expensive moving service and have to do it all on your own. In the last two weeks I was moving so many kilos of stuff I got muscle pain. Why do I have to have so many CDs and clothes… will take forever to get it all into my flat.
 
At least I have my own place to live and I am finally all by myself. No longer weird stares when my mum peaks into my room while I dance to my shitty trash music or dress up
 

 

And I didn't mean to indicate that you have said they are the same. I am sorry if that came over as such. I was just trying to illustrate a possible reason for the lack of "heavy" bands in goth, especially in the current scene which is far more focused on recycling the 80s than 90s (which def had a few heavier bands, see Rosetta Stone, Catherines Cathedral, Angina Pectoris and even the Nephilim).
 
Heavy isn't really what most people in the self proclaimed "trad goth" scene listen to and that is reflected by the playlists you see on the net and the styles of music new bands play. 
 
Was not stating it as a fact, that Samhain aren't a deathrock band, I said I FEEL they are more punk, which is my subjective opinion. Deathrock they are indeed, but they also mix a lot of other influences. They aren't a "pure" deathrock (as in that they only play straight deathrock) band in my own book, hence they also sound so different than any other bands of the genre. And that may be why you would likely not find something that truly compares to them.
 
I also have to add that I am not very well versed with their disco (as well as the Misfits' and Danzig in general) and most of the people in my local goth and deathrock circle seem to prefer other bands, such Christian Death (very cliché, but what can you do since Rozz has reached icon status in the scene), the Screaming Dead, Burning Image and most of those "deathrock revival" bands (funnily enough, they all love Rudimentary Peni for some reason). My knowledge about Samhain may thus be limited, but you are always free to correct me (I did for example never listen completely to that album you posted). 
 
But all of that again reflects how much goffs don't curr about heavy stuff (and are rather stuck in the 80s). And my guess is, that you will likely find more bands of that style when you focus more on the metal and hardcore end of the music spectrum. Alaric for example I stumbled upon by mere accident, they were not supported or advertised by people I follow (who mostly listen to Joy Division clones), but by metal blogs.
 
Do you people know the CVLT nation website? They write mostly about dark music, no matter the genre, inclding sections dedicated to deathrock, metal, post-punk, etc. In my experience their deathrock section features a whole lot more of these style cross-over bands. 
 
Such as these groups:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Also maybe you don't know this yet; this album of the band is often labeled as Hardcore/deathrock.
 
 
 
 
Not sure if these have already been mentioned in this thread:
 
Pinkish Black, Anasazi, Rakta, Secta, Deathcharge, Deth Crux, Death Index
 
^These are all of the punkier and heavier bands I know the top of my head.
 
Since I have already mentioned Alaric, there is also a band called Atriarch and they play doom metal mixed with deathrock influences.
 
Also I recommend to check out bands from the blackened shoegaze/Blackgaze scene. There seems to be a recent trend there to combine blackgaze with doom metal and add hardcore (and deathrock) elements.
 
Maybe this helps
 
 
 

interesting how in this discussion about gaijins imitatiing trve VKei no one has mentioned this guy before (who seems to split people's opinions just as much):
 

 
Tbh, his look come a lot more closer to actual VK than most of the swede kei bands