Ikna

Do I like some of the bands? Yes.

Do I like the label itself? Nope.

^ haha, me too. I was one of those pesky little mallgoff kids who looked like ugly mansonite emos unable to draw even a straight line with kajal. I listened to whatever my also try hard edgy (and wannabe "satanist") schoolmates listened to: Nightwish, Manson, HIM, Evanescence, Green Day, Nirvana… 

Unlike my peers who all became "normal" or jocks after a while I sticked to "dark" stuff, but eventually dived deeper down into actual goth and darkwave music. Also around that time I discovered VK, which to me was now waaaay cooler than "those lame european and amurrican bands".

Out from all the embarrassing stuff I used to love as a teen I now only occasionally listen to. And that's mostly restricted to Nightwish (rarely), Deathstars (yes, I know…), Moonspell and Paradise Lost (they are actually still kewl in my book).

And of course I still listen to my old Veekay, because I am biased. 

I got into VK between the fourth and fifth wave, but strangely am not a big fan of the latter nowadays. I mostly like the earlier stuff of the mid 00s.  I remember VK started to change a lot from ca. 2007/08 onwards and that was the time when I stopped caring about newer stuff. Nowadays I listen more to the 90s stuff and I am all over the place in this decade. But if I had too choose I'd pick the fourth wave, because I have a very strong affection for all those low budget crap kei bands and obscure "we released one demo, played three lives and had two fans" groups. Also I think the style and look then was really cool (fucking feather boa's everywhere and faux goff make up).

Sixth wave doesn't do anything for me. I just simply can't get into it, mostly because I have a distain for metulcore and unz-unz rock (if it was actually good electro and synth rock, sigh).

 I feel there was a lot of potential that developed in the first half of the 00s wasted as bands hopped on the bandwagons of certain other music trends. But I agree that the current state of VK is a little better. Still don't curr for 80% of bands today, but even I cannot deny that Gallo and Dezert are kewl.

I know, I should probably e-mail you about this. But I want to ask, if you have already sent all the parcels from the last auction streams? I am still waiting for my goods to arrive and I paid already a month ago.

coming late to the party (and with no video or band to offer, because I never listened much to oshare). I skimmed through the thread and found some really good stuff and gems. So thanks for making this thread, it's a really nice comp of decent to awesome stuff (since there was indeed a shitpile of crap in the oshare "scene" back of the day). Made it really easy for me to compile a wishlist of material I want to add to my music collection, ha.

I have to admit that because of the influx of rainbow colored, nyappy as hell bands I never gave groups from this corner of VK music a try. Mainly because I was one of those edgy mallgoth tryhards who only liked grimdark, gloomy and depressive shit and Oshare to me was pretty much the antithesis of that. Secondly, I also partake in the fad of hating on the music because that's what all the popular kids in VK "fandom" would do. And when the overall majority found that all oshare to be the absolute dreck, then it must have been true *rolleyes*

Obviously there was some atrocious stuff, but apparently also some good bands with great music I simply overlooked at that time due to ignorance. Then there was the thing with the oshare fans, who I always perceived as ape shit crazy. Like, even more annoying and crazy than your average Gazette and Dir en grey fan already were (and are). Their behaviour, noteworty from the an-cafe crowd, was absolutely off-putting. 

The only exceptions for me however were bands like Aicle. or Dollis Mary. The former may look like an oshare band (still, their style was pretty unique even for oshare standards) and their music is simply amazing (shame emiru doesn't continue Aicle's craziness in Yeti, which I feel are rather boring in comparison). The latter I never really perceived as Oshare. Maybe because they also worked a lot with Metis Gretel i viewed them more as a lighter and softer Kote band.

But I guess Shazna could fit the bill, as they are often mentioned to be the main influence, if not forefathers of the oshare style. I have to say because of my inclination towards softer, more upbeat and happier music I never looked much into 90s soft vkei  either as of recently. Shaza was probably the first band of this kind I started to listened to and since then (along with the help of recommendations of others) I have eased myself a little more into it.

Timeless classic 💕

And I am quite interested into the formation of oshare in the late 90s and early 00s. Which band influenced it or were the innovators? How developed a stream of soft visual into it? 

wow, a fellow austrian. You even share my name O__O The coincidence is really spooky. But I am younger, it seems XD

I also liked Moi dix Mois a lot. I am currently getting more into Mejibray too (even though I never thought I would like them ever)

anyways, welcome mein Freund.

"3. Happy birthday NEW mother fuxxer."

lol, how edgy. Hopefully Kyouki doesn't emulate Kyo's "FOOCHA" spelling *cough* 

Also is it just me thinking they are pumping out releases too fast? Their last single wasn't that good, even though Liar at some point started to grow on me a bit. 

new drama starting here?

Should I get my popcorn ready?
 

If you people like female fronted post-punk and goth bands like Belgrado, then this band's also worth to be checked out:

Can be bought at their bandcamp: https://deadcult.bandcamp.com/ 

As much as I am a goffick rawk, Darkwave and industrial fan, I simply cannot get into witchhouse. I think it's because of the Hip-Hop and R'n'b influence, which to me isn't very goth (yes, I am one of those "gothier than thou" biased peeps) and not a music  genre I particularly like (at all). And that's not because I have some prejudiced opinion about it, it's just not my cup of tea.

Also am I the only one thinking the aesthetic is a bit too over the top, pretentious and try hard? Maybe I'd dig it in 20 years time, once its Hipsterism and trendiness wears off. I know one should never judge a music scene by the way its fans act and look like, but I just cannot erase it from my mind that this music is mainly aimed at 20 year somethings on tumblr, who want to feel edgy and therefore put okkvlt symbols on their pastel colored sweaters bought at urban outfitters. 

However, Zola Jesus is a musician I enjoy. I wouldn't really call her music withchouse though. Her early releases were straight up  classic Noise/industrial.

The closest my taste comes in this direction is with In death it ends:

Some would say that's just simple Darkwave, but thge project (founded by Porl King, ex vocalist of Goth rock band Rosetta Stone) uses at least the same aesthetics (occult symbols, references to magick, alchemy and paganism/satanism, triangles and other shizzle).

Tbh, I would appreciate it if people could suggest witchhouse music in this direction. I know I should check out DALLE, because they seem to be a Visual kei blend with this thing. Sidewalks and Skeletons i tried a few times. It hasn't made click yet, but its synthiness makes it more enjoyable to me.

It's really curious how Yuuga managed to keep up with Yayoi for that long of a time. Yes, Yuuga himself isn't an angel, and according to the reports of some fans he is quite a dick (wasn't there a rumor that he comanded his gya to beat up some foreign fans at Devil Kitty's lives?). But even he is pissed by Yayoi's behaviour. And considering that Yayoi has been doing the same shady crap since always, Yuuga as a "friend" and bandmate of many years should have known that Rockstar Records would not pan out because Yayoi will fuck it up (again).

Or maybe Yuuga is a hopeless optimist and thought "maybe this time he'll do it better".

It's a shame though, because as many others have already said, RR had the potential to become the new spiritual descendant of Matina/UCP. Instead it turned into a shameful closterfuck. Also is it just me who finds that Avandick are absolutely a forgettable and boring band and meary would have deserved to be promoted instead? They probably only directed all money to the former because Noah had a face that sells lots of cheki, and therefore $$$$

The piass for me. Never cared much about Kenzi and his bands (though I should listen to them more).

Does *he*, who shall not be named, even know how to muzak?

This is such a historic day. I hope we have historians here who chronicle all the dramaz, because this one's the best so far. And then plz make a best of MH dramaz ranking, for an anniversary or some shit.

Has my life being just a LIE? Are you the illuminati?

*puts tinfoil hat on*

STOP INFLUENCING MY MIND, REPTILIAN!!!

THE DL SECTION IS A LIE

DL section is gone. So no, you can't do anything

I don't know, but I know that now they no longer can get any new favourite albums. So that "DL Forum down" action was a shot into one's own knee, lawl.

2016 surely is a funny year 

Where to europe do you wanna move where you think it's better? The UK right now are in a bit of a chaos (no one seems to know wether or not they really pull the Brexit through). Lots of EU states had a political shift towards the far right. I bet all my money that the Nazis in disguise here will win the next election in my country. So yeah, at the moment everywhere is shit. Better we start colonizing Mars soon and get off the earth.

Due to my inactivity in the interwebz I totally missed the crazy_nympha drama.But then I saw this:

ROFL, someone's salty and now lashing out on Dowloaders, while they temselves probably leeched here for ages.

edited post, because mh didn't want to show the hisame pic :/

Deleted most of my “selfies” in this thread, because my face is trash. But well, here is something decent

I am probably the only person who likes their Shuuen album the most and dislikes their debut. Oni to Kage just sounded like a rehash of old Dir en grey songs. I can just listen to the originals, considering how similiar some songs are to each other. With Shuuen they at least attempted to do something of their own. And I personally loved it a lot, because it was a wonderful trip through nostalgic memory lane.

But I agree that this album didn't turn out the way as expected. After their last VA songs and the insomnia single I expected a lot, especially a heavy style change (to something more fresh and unique than their current standard sound). The VAs had also nice Madeth gray'll and Malice Mizer vibes. I wish they would have explored that further. I am glad though, that they kept experimenting more with guitar solos and melodies this time. But yeah, the same-y screams get bland and grating after a while. 

Also yeah, in the Blue is such a fine nice song with a wonderufl melodic 90s VK touch. A damn shame they cut it so short!

High Quality Scans of their photoset which came with their recent album

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