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So, I was watching Boys Over Flowers on Netflix with the SO and it got me thinking...Has there ever been a movie or TV series based around VK? Since probably not you can lump in movies starring VK artists, so Set El Hoth, Moon Child, Oresama.

There are many people on fb/instagram too who are throwing shit on them with a bloody mouth and it's fucking annoying. Most of them don't even know the band and acting like they're personally attacked. 🙄 So bad, being so butthurted about a thing they don't even related to.  For God's sake there are even bigger bands using real stories/tragedies for their songs/themes and nobody gave a shit. 

Let's be real, it's just people complaining to complain, virtue signaling, etc. Typical behavior for the younger generation in 2019. It looks almost entirely like it's teens and people in their early 20s.

Actually one of my hobbies is go to see people sending tweets complaining to bandoman in shitty google translator japanese. So much fun, I do recommend.

I mean, it might change the scene a bit. I quite enjoyed going to vk stores in shinjuku, it's always nice to look at a physical collection of CDs, but that is just the 90s kid in me. However, the rest is basically going to stay the same, I guess. People are just going to download the music.
However, I think this'll take some time. You talked about the west, saying that record stores are a rarity there. I can honestly not say the same about Europe. While sales of physical CDs have been declining, there are still huge record stores here. And since Japan loves places such as book of or twoer records, they will continue buying it + I think companies in Japan have their ways of attracting people to buy physical albums.
 
Take k-pop for instance: in Europe, people often download the songs illegally, and then buy the physical CD. Simply because they like the design/want to support the band/want the special features. VK is the same in that respect.

There is a definite distinction between *CD* shops, and *record* shops.
 
CD shops are tanking in the West. Record shops still do pretty decently.
 
I’ve been joking for a while now that if VK bands want gaijin to buy their music, just release something on LP. But if too many bands do this, we’ll just run into the same problem. Market gets saturated, and there’s only so much money to go around.

I mean even if sales are falling, in a country where schools still utilize fax machines I have a hard time imagining the death of CDs any time soon.

Everything is a cycle. We are in the beginning of a transition away from physical to digital goods, because right now we can see the benefits of all digital and the disadvantages of physical media. Give streaming time to mature as a delivery service and there are bound to be issues that crop up unique to streaming, issues that physical media doesn't have to deal with, and eventually we'll settle on some medium where streaming and physical media can coexist.

IMO, visual kei will have to accept streaming eventually. It's not a big enough scene to make "demands" on how people consume their music. Fans will just pirate the music if companies continue to make it difficult to acquire visual kei music legally. I think that once a few high ranking businessmen in the scene see the potential behind streaming, visual kei will naturally transition itself into streaming. Once this happens, the way business is done will forever change. I expect that multi type releases will become a thing of the past, since they don't work as well digitally. Exclusive tracks to a streaming platform is possible. The piracy scene will change as well if it's not as easy to get a hold of physical media.
 

CDs are still massive in Japan and as vkei isn't that big out of Japan I don't think there's anything to worry about. Personally I much prefer physical releases to digital and am glad a lot of these bands aren't jumping on the digital bandwagon or only releasing a few physical copies and charging way more for it than a normal album.(which some bands are doing and vkei would no doubt take advantage of that) But when you consider live only releases and stuff, people literally travel from all over to make that show to get that CD if they can. Also it's not uncommon for Japanese to buy multiple copies of one CD, (usually one to use and one to keep wrapped as a collectors item) or to try and get all the collectible cards that come with the physical release. I can't remember what the group was called but when I was in Japan once, went into a tower records and there was some idol group performing in there and a guy in the queue to buy some stuff in front of me had 2 singles by this group but literally about 10 copies of each one. So even though digital is obviously becoming more of a thing in Japan I do feel like physical is still much preferred there.

The talk of loving to buy physical CDs/DVDs and all of the perks that come with it got me thinking about the (near?) future of the scene in a world where all music is digital. Very few computers come with a CD drive, Spotify and Apple Music are growing more than ever; Apple even dropping iTunes for a plain music app, and although the retro music renaissance is a thing with vinyl making a comeback, the future of physical media is looking grim. I definitely see Japan (especially since they still have CD rentals, something that is very rare or non-existent in the west) being dragged into the future of music distribution kicking and screaming; Visual Kei especially. VK popularized multi-type albums, single release campaigns and as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong) the live only singles. If Japan gets to a point where you need to buy a separate device to burn a CD and God forbid CD players in cars go by the way side, then their CDs will be a relic of a bygone era. 
 
Honestly, the day video game consoles stop having CD drives, the DVD will die and DVD players will become VHS players (those are harder than hell to find), I'll be very upset as someone who's amassed a great many movies and such. There is also the fear of everything being lost forever. I'm sure all of us have cursed the heavens when we lose files and don't have a physical copy to back them up. I suppose itunes would be a solution, but if that ever crashed...well I don't want to think about it.
 
Anyway, I look forward to seeing what everyone else thinks, the pros and cons of all of our cherished CDs and DVDs becoming not only obsolete, but useless...

I don't know much about the infrastructure of Japan as far as internet availability and speed goes, but in the west it's still miles behind what it should be. This is partly why streaming video games isn't very popular and things like redbox have found a market in rural America. Plenty of people have 20mb down, like I said not sure how speeds are in Japan, but I myself came from dial up to satellite to DSL to fiber, so from crawling to 20ish to 50 and now around 200 down. 
 
It's a little off topic, but this 5G thing has plenty of people worried because of how powerful it is and the effects it may have on humans, especially since plenty of radiation already comes from cell phones already.

One thing I forgot to mention was a recent article I read (which kind of spawned off the whole iTunes removal "debacle" prior to WWDC) that said CDs had vastly less sentimentality attached to them in the West because they're really just plastic vessels (using that word a lot tonight) for digital files. Hence, why CD interest is falling out at a rapid rate. It kind of makes sense considering how sterile/uninspired CD releases can be where I'm at v. the attention to detail when it comes to Japanese CDs. I wonder if it's the art, but I'm not sure because I have plenty of American CDs that are pretty decent. I haven't bought a CD recently to know if it's gotten worse, though.
 
TL;DR: CDs themselves really become "untouched collectibles" at a certain point, but the attention to detail in the rest of the case makes a difference. I feel like that detail is becoming more uninspired with the information/art more available online.
 
Another thing I didn't mention on my main post was the impending rollout of 5G network infrastructure, which would increase the viability in offering more lossless streaming/downloading services for mobile (though not necessarily a magic solution.)  I didn't really mention this, because for most people, Apple Music's 256kbps is enough. Also, the conversation starts to segue into dealing with other parts of the world & other areas with low internet speeds where they don't have the infrastructure to benefit from this. 

I have it sitting up on my Media Station, what a single....

I'll never forget the 8cm of hide's Pink Spider single.

I have personally found Japan to be quite infrequent and unexpected in terms of physical media, just in the last five or so years, some band are even reusing the mini-disc, and 8cm CD format to produce music, It's very nostalgia filled.

i think i got what you meant here,if no,i'm sorry.But MEJIBRAY was quite impressive with their releases
i admit we had a few filler and pointless tracks here and there but their minis and albums,title track singles,even many b-side tracks were amazing.
always wondered how could those guys keep that level of quality on so many releases in such a short period of time, insane. 
 
 
 

Eventually, they’ll have to adapt. CD stores are going out of business, even though they held on decently compared to the West.
 
The bands will always have their core gya that throw money at them. Physical releases are only one of the ways that they do this. With the CD format becoming less popular, i wouldn’t be surprised if many of these lay untouched, as collectibles more than anything.
 
I can’t predict the popularity of vinyl in Japan. Luna Sea’s LP re-releases all come with English translation booklets, so i’m pretty sure they knew their audience here.
 

CDs have just recently faced a downturn last year, but they still make up a huge chunk of music sales. There are lot of factors at play here, but Japan in particular has this "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality with a lot of things (fueled in part by gerontocracy.)
 
I can't speak for the Japanese (there's likely an MH topic on this as well), but to my knowledge, Japan has this unique fixation with old physical media (and cultures outside their own.*) It's to the point where I'd doubt interest will fade away without the physical media literally degrading first. Also, it's kind of imbued in Japanese culture to dislike illegal downloading to the point where it's largely avoided (also the fact that said sites are mainly in English.) I certainly think Japan will follow suit with with the West in streaming adoption, but it will be a staggered one. I think Japan's larger music industry will fight tooth-and-nail to keep "piracy-proof" solutions around, whether they use "m-cards" or some other physical vessels to distribute digital downloads (like those weird micro-sd solutions.)
 
It's really hard to imagine a post physical-media world, not only in Japan, but everywhere else as well. There is definitely concern that if we went all digital, these providers like Spotify could "poof" artists/music out of existence and no one would be able to do anything. Hell, even Apple has been guilty of zapping (really obfuscating, the files were still there) mp3s "out" of user's libraries if they had an iTunes/Apple Music equivalent.
 
TL;DR, I don't really know what will happen. I can't approach this topic from an "audiophile" point of view, because audio quality is not the main impetus for most people when it comes to purchasing music/services. But just having music just be "accessible", which is certainly great, kind of makes me feel dead inside... It's this weird dilemma we'll all have that newer generations might barely think about in the future... Or maybe there's a longing for it, a revival of sorts born out of interest and sentimentality like the vinyl boom.
 
* Just noticed this was kind of a blurb. I'm really just alluding to the rampant "collector culture"  in Japan. Someone more familiar with this could expand the topic.
** To my knowledge, rather than having a "vinyl boom", Japan has had a sustained interest that's recently spiked. 
*** Forgot to mention the "handshake economy" which fuels a lot of CD sales in the idol industry. That could easily be substituted by a "digital lottery" of sorts.
 
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Oddly timed update, but I found a good way to summarize this: Many of the Japanese indie bands I follow are actually going the way of digital + streaming nowadays to spread their music. Streaming also pays without having to initially invest in CDs and physical goods, which is ideal for smaller bands who just want their SOUND out there (YouTube is also included in this.) CDs however, are a no-brainer for IDOLS as they generate revenue off of some sort of imagery and personality. Idols include Visual Kei musicians, K-pop + J-pop idols, Anime musicians + seiyuu, etc.  All of these genres/scenes are reliant on CD sales because they are extensions of their image.
 
Only changes at the top of the Japanese CD industry (AKB's, Johnny's, major anime) can change the ones below it, like Visual Kei. Until there is some foolproof medium that generates as much revenue as CDs do when it comes to image and advertising potential, they won't "move on". 

The talk of loving to buy physical CDs/DVDs and all of the perks that come with it got me thinking about the (near?) future of the scene in a world where all music is digital. Very few computers come with a CD drive, Spotify and Apple Music are growing more than ever; Apple even dropping iTunes for a plain music app, and although the retro music renaissance is a thing with vinyl making a comeback, the future of physical media is looking grim. I definitely see Japan (especially since they still have CD rentals, something that is very rare or non-existent in the west) being dragged into the future of music distribution kicking and screaming; Visual Kei especially. VK popularized multi-type albums, single release campaigns and as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong) the live only singles. If Japan gets to a point where you need to buy a separate device to burn a CD and God forbid CD players in cars go by the way side, then their CDs will be a relic of a bygone era. 
 
Honestly, the day video game consoles stop having CD drives, the DVD will die and DVD players will become VHS players (those are harder than hell to find), I'll be very upset as someone who's amassed a great many movies and such. There is also the fear of everything being lost forever. I'm sure all of us have cursed the heavens when we lose files and don't have a physical copy to back them up. I suppose itunes would be a solution, but if that ever crashed...well I don't want to think about it.
 
Anyway, I look forward to seeing what everyone else thinks, the pros and cons of all of our cherished CDs and DVDs becoming not only obsolete, but useless...

I hope they don't. I hate music streaming and I love the concept of buying physical releases, with all the bonuses included, and attending instores. I don't  want to have to pay three or four times what I'm paying for my cellphone plan just because listening to music now is sucking up my data too.

Besides all that was mentioned, recording and studio time expensive and I guess smaller bands can afford more easily to start off with singles and EPs and grow from there. Newbie bands like Nazare can afford to release full albums because they record them in their drummer's bedroom.

Many of these bandomen, unless they’re quite well established, or have enough mitsu patronage...can’t get by on music alone. Most of them have day jobs that they need to keep affording outfits and recording sessions. This will effect their availability to write new music, record and tour.

can't believe they would just write the "F" word like that 😱

It's a worldwide trend. Albums became less frequent, singles in the way japan do (before full albums) are much more common, sometimes not even being featured in albums. You can blame it on stream if you want, there are several studies noticing how spotify dictates even how songs are being produced nowadays (not that I see this happening in japan soon, as they are always stubbornly behind some trends).
 
In a way it's good, it extends songs longevity, which lets artists focus more on delivering good content instead of always putting stuff out.
 
And TBH, in the whole world music releases are a supplemental income to live concerts. Artists must survive with their lives, that's just the way it is after the internet. The sooner japanese bands understand that and adopt stream the way they should, the better for everyone.

I feel like there are more albums being released in the past 5 years than there have been in the 5 years prior to that? Could just be a memory bias, but vkei albums aren't super infrequent. 
 
I think the scene in general has wisened up a bit and realized that releasing stuff c o n s t a n t l y may not be financially viable, especially with historically smaller crowds buying physical releases.  A Matina-styled "demo tapes every 3 months, plus omnibus exclusive songs, plus video tapes, plus cross-cover singles, plus interviews, plus..." doesn't really work today, as cool as it would be. With the internet, oversaturation and over-promotion is a very real thing and there's less of a need to be constantly bombarding people with new products when your old ones are more widely accessible.  
 
Unless of course, you're signed to -AINS-. Then you get a 101 stop tour and are forced to release two albums a year that are 80% new content, plus some live distros to keep the children occupied in the "off months." 

I'll always love MEJIBRAY, but I have to agree, there's plenty that's just not good. Most singles aren't worth listening to, but I've enjoyed every album.