A Rapid Increase in Domestic Violence Against Men in Japan

[secret_no_03 959]

9 minutes ago, Zeus said:

This is where you lost me. Let me explain why.

We're on a college campus and we want to create a group focused around celebrating culture and ethnicity. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Indian clubs? Good. Black club? Great. Hispanic club? Awesome. White club? No no no, can't support white supremacy here.

Maybe instead we want to create spaces for underserved populations. Let's make women only scholarships, black only scholarships, latinx scholarships, etc. and that's seen as being progressive. There's a scholarship for being left handed even! But let's find a scholarship out there where the only qualification is that you have to be white, or that you have to be a man, and suddenly it's regressive and sexist.

Do you see what I'm getting at here? Feminism as an ideology is fundamentally flawed because it views the relationships between men, women, and those not on the traditional gender spectrum as a zero sum game where one group must lose in order for another group to gain. This is a flaw deeply ingrained in human psychology. Within this distorted view, the "oppressor" group gaining any ground must come at the expense of the "oppressed", because those resources the "oppressors" have could have been put towards "the oppressed". When men try to stand up for themselves and bring light to their own issues, we are often dismissed by men and women. Our situation is so fractured and fucked that we're not given the vocabulary to discuss it, which is what feminism has empowered women with: a voice. I call this phenomenon spreadsheet equality, because on the surface everything looks as fair as it can be, but fairness and justice are two different concepts that should not be confused.

If I sound like an alt-right lunatic, that's because the alt-right is fueled mostly by angry white men who see their opportunities being snatched away from them, unfairly or not. Angry. White. Men. The very group that is blatantly told that they're not allowed to complain because they live life on easy mode, as if life on easy mode doesn't have any challenges at all. They have a point to a point, and much like "the left" (I hate that phrase) they have an agenda, and their agenda is white supremacy, but absolutely no one is taking the time to dissect the points that make sense from the lunacy that doesn't, and we just disregard their points entirely, which kick starts the vicious cycle that sends a vast majority of disillusioned men down the echo chamber that is the alt-right pipeline.

Every move made and talking point espoused by anyone anywhere is to further a personal agenda to better their current position in the rat race that is capitalism. Feminists have one. White supremacists have one. Even I have one. Propaganda is a weapon stronger than the nuclear arsenals of the world combined, because it's much harder to kill a belief than a person. And as long as our society continues to believe this "inferior"/"superior" crap in any dimension, we're never going to come to the table and talk as equals.

And I say this as someone who has six eggs in one basket and half a dozen eggs in the other.

This is why Bernie and pseudo-socialism is so popular, the idea that we can all have everything equally, but at the end of the day you end up like Venezuela. You could also tack the gender pay gap myth to this.

[suji 8317]

6 minutes ago, Zeus said:

latinx

 

8 minutes ago, Zeus said:

men, women, and those not on the traditional gender spectrum

ya lost me there bud

 

8 minutes ago, Zeus said:

And as long as our society continues to believe this "inferior"/"superior" crap in any dimension, we're never going to come to the table and talk as equals.

It does apply in a biological standpoint. Men are engineered to be genetically superior to women, and that's a scientific fact. That's something that can't be altered, yet we can make a change when it comes to treating each other as equals.

[secret_no_03 959]

1 minute ago, suji said:

 

ya lost me there bud

 

It does apply in a biological standpoint. Men are engineered to be genetically superior to women, and that's a scientific fact. That's something that can't be altered, yet we can make a change when it comes to treating each other as equals.

Which is exactly why biological men have no business competing with biological women in sporting events and is exactly why there are now a rash of civil suits in regards to trans-athletes, but that's a topic for another day most likely.

[platy 3018]

@Zeus I knew that would get brought up. I don't have the answer to that because unfortunately the current trend is to shut men's voices down. I see it as a tsunami. Women were oppressed and abused for centuries (picture the wave retreating further and further into the horizon) until things finally turned on their head (see the tsunami hitting), so we're going through a very extreme right now. Eventually it'll settle down I believe, to a point where everyone has a say. My point still stands though, that if men want more victim shelters, etc. They need to help out each other. There's actually a very interesting feminist podcast I heard recently, where a group of men discuss the effects of toxic masculinity and how they're only learning to deal with the effects of it now well into their 30s. One of them is always hired to go into companies and give talks about harassment and how it should be avoided. If its a man to man talk, it's easier to relate and understand, as he said. The same would go for therapy. Anyway, it's not in English otherwise I'd love to share as it'd help get my point across better. 

 

Edit: also, just because we're going through these extreme times, does it mean we should stop trying to raise awareness to certain issues? Isn't that as good as giving up? And what good ever came from that? Social change happens from action, no matter how small. 

[platy 3018]

1 hour ago, Komorebi said:

Well, I've personally seen and heard feminists advocate for the abortion of male fetuses for the only sin of being male. I don't see how that is different from nazism.

 

2 hours ago, Euronymous said:

@secret_no_03 

 

It makes total sense to me talking about feminism on this topic,one thing leads to another and becomes something more.

I talk a lot with @Manji 卍 and he told me about a recent crime evolving a couple of lesbians who mutilated his 9 old son's genitals to transform him into a girl,and decapitated him because they hated him for being a boy.

 

In that case we might as well bring up all the cultures that kill or get rid of baby girls because it's not worth the effort of raising them (e.g. China). What you mentioned there are the very extremes of radical group. 

[secret_no_03 959]

23 minutes ago, platy said:

 

 

In that case we might as well bring up all the cultures that kill or get rid of baby girls because it's not worth the effort of raising them (e.g. China). What you mentioned there are the very extremes of radical group. 

Well in the case of infanticide in India and China its state sanctioned murder, not exactly a group.

[Manji 卍 743]

 

2 hours ago, secret_no_03 said:

A simple Google search found exactly what you are talking about, and nowhere in it does it mention feminism. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/06/18/lesbian-couple-admit-to-brutal-murder-of-child-who-wanted-to-be-a-girl/amp/

They killed him because they wanted a girl and he resembled the biological father.

 

what? your argument is just that the article doesn't mention feminism? 

 

the murder case is DIRECTLY linked to feminism. just like @Euronymous mentioned, what feminists does nowadays is just spread confusion

and the demonization of male,this movement fell into a state of misandry. 
i had the displeasure to frequent university with some feminist girls and they openly adimited that if they had an "unplanned" child they'd just go for the abortion. There you can sense all the craziness of this movement. 

You said yourself that the killers did what they did only because the kid resembled the biological father. Well,isn't that the worldview of the feminists? hating on male? i'm not saying that every feminist is a murder (even though abortion is murder),but when you spread the hate,like they do,you end up creating these monsters,and  consequetly victims.

 

@Euronymous  is absolutely right.

Edited June 21, 2019 by Manji 卍

[Gesu 1537]

7 minutes ago, Manji 卍 said:

 

 

what? your argument is just that the article doesn't mention feminism? 

 

the murder case is DIRECTLY linked to feminism. just like @Euronymous mentioned, what feminists does nowadays is just spread confusion

and the demonization of male,this movement fell into a state of misandry. 
i had the displeasure to frequent university with some feminist girls and they openly adimited that if they had an "unplanned" child they'd just go for the abortion. There you can sense all the craziness of this movement. 

You said yourself that the killers did what they did only because the kid resembled the biological father. Well,isn't that the worldview of the feminists? hating on male? i'm not saying that every feminist is a murder (even though abortion is murder),but when you spread the hate,like they do,you end up creating these monsters,and  consequetly victims.

 

@Euronymous  is absolutely right.

Well... I agree with you when you say about misandry and hating on men because that's exactly what the woman in this case was doing, however I wouldn't go so far as to suggest abortion is murder. Maybe that's a conversation for another topic if anyone's willing to create it so I won't go too much into it here, but I just thought I'd say this much.

[Euronymous 325]

when it comes to such horrible cases,feminists or the movement sympathizers always say stuff like:

"oh,these or extreme cases" or "feminism is not like that",etc.

the thing is way more complex than we can imagine,and there's also the whole left-wing political agenda in it,

they dominate the mainstream media,they will do their best to deliver the news the way they think it's best.

 

[secret_no_03 959]

8 minutes ago, Manji 卍 said:

 

 

what? your argument is just that the article doesn't mention feminism? 

 

the murder case is DIRECTLY linked to feminism. just like @Euronymous mentioned, what feminists does nowadays is just spread confusion

and the demonization of male,this movement fell into a state of misandry. 
i had the displeasure to frequent university with some feminist girls and they openly adimited that if they had an "unplanned" child they'd just go for the abortion. There you can sense all the craziness of this movement. 

You said yourself that the killers did what they did only because the kid resembled the biological father. Well,isn't that the worldview of the feminists? hating on male? i'm not saying that every feminist is a murder (even though abortion is murder),but when you spread the hate,like they do,you end up creating these monsters,and  consequetly victims.

 

@Euronymous  is absolutely right.

You're conflating things if not downright gaslighting. Either way, just because some women want to have abortions or don't like men for any number of reasons doesn't mean that they are a feminist.

[secret_no_03 959]

13 minutes ago, Manji 卍 said:

 

 

what? your argument is just that the article doesn't mention feminism? 

 

the murder case is DIRECTLY linked to feminism. just like @Euronymous mentioned, what feminists does nowadays is just spread confusion

and the demonization of male,this movement fell into a state of misandry. 
i had the displeasure to frequent university with some feminist girls and they openly adimited that if they had an "unplanned" child they'd just go for the abortion. There you can sense all the craziness of this movement. 

You said yourself that the killers did what they did only because the kid resembled the biological father. Well,isn't that the worldview of the feminists? hating on male? i'm not saying that every feminist is a murder (even though abortion is murder),but when you spread the hate,like they do,you end up creating these monsters,and  consequetly victims.

 

@Euronymous  is absolutely right.

That's like saying that my SO is a feminist because she doesn't want to have a child until she's ready and she doesn't like men because of a history of abuse makes her a feminist. You're broadbrushing and that'd a dangerous thing to do.

[Manji 卍 743]

@secret_no_03   GZUS,i'm not saying that the murderers were feminists declared,nor @Euronymous said so.

we pointed that all these things are,indeed,related to each other.

 

@Gesu  i was always pro abortion.but after multiple researchers and videos about the subject i changed my opinion.

abortion is murder.your body is yours,but from the moment that there's another living creature inside of your,it's no longer your decision whether

the kid has to live or not.The fetus/kid is depending on you,but it's not you,you don't  have the right.

Even at the most horrible cases like raping,the mother must bear with it for the sake of the baby,and if she wants to,give it to the adoption when it's born.

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by Manji 卍

[God 264]

6 hours ago, Euronymous said:

 

 

 

Black Lives,LGBT, feminism,MGTOW 

I don't think people should label themselves,we are men and women and equally humans. I can't see the benefit of making groups,it only works as the trigger for the division of society, turning all of us one against another. 

 

i’m not sure the labels are the issue?  trans women of color aren’t being murdered, beaten, etc bc of the label itself.  it’s not the labels causing problems, but probably more so that it’s human nature to judge and categorize, at least at the very core.  there’s obviously other contributing factors.  labeling is also part of human nature.  our brains automatically categorize things to try and understand them.

 

groups exist to create a sense of community.  considering all the bullshit i see in comments on articles about trans folk (as an example), finding a place where you’re accepted for being who you are without any question (community) is important.

 

erasing labels is idealistic, but not even close to realistic.  

[Gesu 1537]

@Manji 卍 Technically, the foetus doesn't have any form of sentience until about the third trimester (maybe a bit before). I think the lesser of two evils in that situation would be to abort, because it's more fair to let the woman live a happy life than to force her to give birth to a baby she doesn't even want. That's physically and emotionally traumatising. If she does the latter, she could end up severely depressed and the baby most likely wouldn't have a great life anyways. Also, just giving it to an adoption centre leads to overcrowding and kids who were already there not getting adopted, so nobody really wins in that situation.

[secret_no_03 959]

2 minutes ago, Gesu said:

@Manji 卍 Technically, the foetus doesn't have any form of sentience until about the third trimester (maybe a bit before).

Exactly, majority of your abortions are early and at that point they're not even a fetus. They're a blastocyst which has less cells than a fly's brain. It's looking like it's about time to make an abortion thread. Geez, I started posting these here a day or so ago and now it's become a intellectual's playground. 😅

[Manji 卍 743]

14 minutes ago, Gesu said:

@Manji 卍 Technically, the foetus doesn't have any form of sentience until about the third trimester (maybe a bit before). I think the lesser of two evils in that situation would be to abort, because it's more fair to let the woman live a happy life than to force her to give birth to a baby she doesn't even want. That's physically and emotionally traumatising. If she does the latter, she could end up severely depressed and the baby most likely wouldn't have a great life anyways. Also, just giving it to an adoption centre leads to overcrowding and kids who were already there not getting adopted, so nobody really wins in that situation.

i agree with you,sincerely. and that was exactly what i used to say to defend my pro abortion position.

think about how many kids are living in poverty right now,getting neglected or mistreated...it would be so much better if none of them were brought to this world.but there is the right to live and it is a decision that only the owners of their own lives can make.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Manji 卍

[Gesu 1537]

1 minute ago, Manji 卍 said:

but there is the right live and it is a decision the decision that only the owners of their lives can make.

But who owns their lives if they're not even alive yet?

[Manji 卍 743]

2 minutes ago, Gesu said:

But who owns their lives if they're not even alive yet?

well,i could be wrong about the timing where the kid is getting form or not

here in my country they were making protests to make it legal until the twelfth week of pregnancy.

and its already legal,in cases of risk,malformation or rape

[suji 8317]

why exactly are we talking about abortion in this topic? take that somewhere else @Manji 卍 @Gesu

[psychonnect_rozen 585]

1 hour ago, Gesu said:

@Manji 卍 Technically, the foetus doesn't have any form of sentience until about the third trimester (maybe a bit before). I think the lesser of two evils in that situation would be to abort, because it's more fair to let the woman live a happy life than to force her to give birth to a baby she doesn't even want. That's physically and emotionally traumatising. If she does the latter, she could end up severely depressed and the baby most likely wouldn't have a great life anyways. Also, just giving it to an adoption centre leads to overcrowding and kids who were already there not getting adopted, so nobody really wins in that situation.

This. That’s why women who were raped or who was impregnated by a family member should not give birth. The emotional trauma will ensue and will end up leaving the mother depressed. I don’t want any women living with something they don’t want. 

 

Edited June 22, 2019 by psychonnect_rozen

[Zeus 7997]

5 hours ago, suji said:

It does apply in a biological standpoint. Men are engineered to be genetically superior to women, and that's a scientific fact. That's something that can't be altered, yet we can make a change when it comes to treating each other as equals.

I prefer to say complementary. There are things one gender is good at or can do that the other can't, and we need each other to survive.

4 hours ago, platy said:

I don't have the answer to that because unfortunately the current trend is to shut men's voices down. I see it as a tsunami. Women were oppressed and abused for centuries (picture the wave retreating further and further into the horizon) until things finally turned on their head (see the tsunami hitting), so we're going through a very extreme right now. Eventually it'll settle down I believe, to a point where everyone has a say

I think we've reached the tipping point and we're on our way back to the middle, but this can take years. I don't think we'll see actionable change until people of all walks of life can complain and be heard without banshees screeching in the night about how "it's their turn".

[God 264]

34 minutes ago, Zeus said:

I prefer to say complementary. There are things one gender is good at or can do that the other can't, and we need each other to survive.

 

exactly this, tho.  genetic superiority sounds a lil too close to race supremacy tbh.  😱

[Euronymous 325]

3 hours ago, God said:

i’m not sure the labels are the issue?  trans women of color aren’t being murdered, beaten, etc bc of the label itself.  it’s not the labels causing problems, but probably more so that it’s human nature to judge and categorize, at least at the very core.  there’s obviously other contributing factors.  labeling is also part of human nature.  our brains automatically categorize things to try and understand them.

 

groups exist to create a sense of community.  considering all the bullshit i see in comments on articles about trans folk (as an example), finding a place where you’re accepted for being who you are without any question (community) is important.

 

erasing labels is idealistic, but not even close to realistic.  

that's really interesting what you said,and definitely something to ponder deeply.

i didn't mean that i wanted these labels to be necessarily erased.as you said,they create a sense of community,and till that it's ok.

but the current scenario isn't good.these group of people or communities doesn't seem to be satisfied purely as a community

most of them became edgy people,trying to spread their  worldview to the masses,sometimes pushing it down your throat,by trying to create laws that puts in danger your freedom of speech,disrespecting and mockering those who don't agree with them.they're promoting the segregation of society with the excuse that it's a fight for rights and equallity.

[deedlitmurata 86]

Whenever an extreme view/movement exists, the opposite extreme appears very soon. And this applies to everything, not just machismo and feminism.

[Gesu 1537]

1 hour ago, deedlitmurata said:

Whenever an extreme view/movement exists, the opposite extreme appears very soon. And this applies to everything, not just machismo and feminism.

Aye, horseshoe theory. Two opposite extremes will always look exactly the same.