Mamo 1172 Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) On 1/23/2018 at 1:39 PM, VkBrutaliaN said: @Mamolistend to FIXER's "ARBITER" maxi single now and gotta say it was pretty good (as i hoped from the samples) imo cuz they only released boring stuff since they joined starwave that with this new release the are like 80% back to previous form. Awesome! Glad to hear that you liked it. And now I'll ask you about the other band I wanted to discuss "SCAPEGOAT" they're far more established and have been going a lot longer than any of the bands that we've mentioned here so far. I think they are truly something special and maybe one of the best "visual kei" bands period of the last decade. They seem to have been largely inspired by both "girugamesh (ギルガメッシュ)'s" early sound 2005-2007 example "君を殺して僕も死ぬ(嘘)(Kimi o Koroshite Boku mo Shinu(Uso))": Spoiler as well as the sound they were using during 2012-2013 similar to "girugamesh(ギルガメッシュ)'s" 2013 album "Monster". They also seem to have incorporated "Nu metal" elements even when they're doing "electronica". You can hear this type of sound in this song"「メイド in スパイダー。」 (maid in spider)" Spoiler And sometimes elements of sreamo such as in their song "ハルカ・モノクロ (haruka monokuro)" Spoiler I personally think they are they best "brutal kei" band of all time they have the most unique and experimental sound they even use a lot of early 2000's elements you can hear this sound in ゴシック†ナイトメア(gothic†nightmare) an appropriate title for such an old school sounding song Spoiler And you can hear the early 2000's vibes even more in this song "君ノ''心臓''ニ恋シテル (Kimi no "Shinzou" ni Koishiteru)" Spoiler And my favorite song by them "症状3 模倣犯 (shoujou 3 mohouhan)" it's just beautiful not heavy at all but one the best songs I've ever heard Spoiler Do you know them @VkBrutaliaN @patientZERO @Komorebi @Jigsaw9 @Axius @JamesRFuckin' love D.I.D. and put right up there with these guys btw and anyone else? Also this: Edited January 24, 2018 by Mamo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VkBrutaliaN 1890 Posted January 24, 2018 @Mamoof course i know SCAPEGOAT! i already know them since their release of their very first maxi single many years ago... i also own a few CDs by 'em and i saw 'em live last year when i was in tokyo. so in fact i enjoy them but they are such a band for me i REALLY have to be in the mood for them and with quite a few songs of theirs i feel like something is lacking for me to full enjoyment which is the reason why i only buy very few of their releases and not every single one... 1 Mamo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdoll 907 Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) how dare you forget Aikaryu Spoiler His growls are airy but he has the best deathcore style screams before NB and Deviloof fraud ass. Death thrash For the win followed by The piass. they don't get the credit they deserve because teru joined flop ass versallies. but juputer has put out some decent melodic death now thanks to teru awesome compositions Spoiler This is why "brutal" VK will be nothing but a joke because term users skip the bands with real elements and mention bands that are nullified by the likes of Paradeis and Aicle on their psychotic days . Word to @fitear1590 Spoiler Someone mentioned Re:dis and yes this song actually counts. It's count you blessing level with nasty grindcore vocals Spoiler Honorable mentions mejibray - Gaichuu, Apocalypse tsu is the the best at death/slam vocals. Spoiler and the only nu metal that should be mentioned is screw's Spoiler Anyway the brutalist moment in vk belongs to the piass' black=right @4:43 was pure deathpunk FTW Spoiler how you say Qeddeshet is too american and nothing vk when you listen to devilloof? the hypocrisy is strong. Also replace one so called "brutal" VK band with another and you won't be able to the difference +1 for Qeddeshet. Edited February 14, 2018 by blackdoll 1 Mamo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, blackdoll said: and the only nu metal that should be mentioned is screw's If you're going to mention "SCREW" don't forget their best song: Spoiler Also: Spoiler Edited February 14, 2018 by Mamo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdoll 907 Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Mamo said: If you're going to mention "SCREW" don't forget their best song: Hide contents Also: Hide contents those songs are weak. Good songs though oh yeah @Peace Heavy mk IIhipped me to these guys that i didnt know Spoiler and i forgot this 2 song band, the only vk black metal band i think Spoiler Edited February 14, 2018 by blackdoll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takato 144 Posted February 14, 2018 no one mentioned OZ? too sad "Erode" is not uploaded on youtube, it is included in the mini-album "SIX" 2 Mamo and Yuri reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) The god's アヲイ (Awoi)'s last song: Spoiler Also: Spoiler Edited March 1, 2018 by Mamo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhirlingBlack 1043 Posted February 14, 2018 No one has mentioned Yaminade yet? Amateurs. (EDIT: Spoke too soon, seems like Filth_y knows what's up. Props.) On a more serious note, I feel like the term is getting so wide in this thread that almost any heavy band could qualify. In my mind Brutal Kei™ was always simple, hard-hitting, nu metal based VK from the mid-2000s. Since1889s track HERO is the archetypical Brutal Kei™ tune in my mind. At least I don't associate modern Deathcore acts like Nocturnal Bloodlust etc. with the term at all. 2 suji and Furik reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) VIRULENT are one of the best: Spoiler Also DISGUST: Spoiler Edited March 12, 2018 by Mamo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted March 5, 2018 QEDDESHET who I'm declaring the new kings of "brutal kei" have released 2 new songs: Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VkBrutaliaN 1890 Posted March 8, 2018 NO Brutal kei without mentioning XALTEA! super amazing band although unfortunately way too short-lived... >.> 1 helcchi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alsdead14 191 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) Omg guys haha, mentioning GREGORY, SINCE1889 and THE MAD SIMPSON brought so much memories. I remember blasting GREGORY in my car after work in 2010 lol. Love the thread! I also checked DictavE yesterday, it's nice (I saw your status). I love Nocturnal Bloodlust ofc, and DEVILOOF, as well as JILUKA. Hearing DEVILOOF's ruin surprised me, hearing a whole song with no clean vocals. Brought me back to my Children of Bodom, Kalmah, Arch enemy days haha. I feel like I will love this thread! Thanks Edited March 9, 2018 by Alsdead14 2 Mamo and VkBrutaliaN reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdoll 907 Posted March 12, 2018 On 3/4/2018 at 11:00 PM, Mamo said: QEDDESHET who I'm declaring the new kings of "brutal kei" have released 2 new songs: Hide contents Wait were they always this weak? or is that shitty low screaming throwing me off? they seem more vk in those. Mejibray has the crown now with their off brand deathmetal have no idea why he didnt use his pig and gutturals though Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackdoll said: Mejibray has the crown now with their off brand deathmetal have no idea why he didnt use his pig and gutturals though Baby crossing can also be mentioned, Spoiler Although I wouldn't label 欲槽 or any of Mejibray's songs "death metal" but Genki/whatever he went by in Mejibray is definitely one of the best at utilizing death vocals and pig squeals and strange guttural. At times they could seem like one of the most brutal but at other times weaker than an anorexic body builder. As far as bands with larger discographies go they were relatively heavy but not enough to warrant calling them more brutal than say Xodiack or Re:dis or even SINCE1889. But if they put more effort into the heavy side of their sound then maybe. But as far as what they gave us... no absolutely not getting the crown in my book. And QEDDESHET songs including their two latest ones, are far heavier than anything Mejibray ever released imho. Edited March 12, 2018 by Mamo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted March 12, 2018 And I don't know why or how the fuck I keep forgetting to mention UnsraW. One of the greatest of all time. Spoiler 1 Alsdead14 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alsdead14 191 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mamo said: And I don't know why or how the fuck I keep forgetting to mention UnsraW. One of the greatest of all time. Reveal hidden contents Gotta love Unsraw <3 I know the singer started Doak then disband then went solo? I miss his voice really. After Unsraw, I heard like maybe 1 or 2 songs from him then nothing... On another note, I saw someone mentionning -OZ-. gosh I miss them too, they were one of my favorite, I know they don't scream all the time, but still, they were very good and I haven't heard anything about them since then. Edited March 12, 2018 by Alsdead14 1 Mamo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
helcchi 942 Posted March 12, 2018 I feel like the young CodeRebirth marked a turning point in VK when Katsuya and co. made a name for themselves as probably the most metalcore kids in the scene And further cemented his sound with his solo project On 09/03/2018 at 8:00 AM, VkBrutaliaN said: NO Brutal kei without mentioning XALTEA! super amazing band although unfortunately way too short-lived... >.> loved them, and little known fact - XALTEA's drummer is actually Zyean from JILUKA 2 Yuri and Mamo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdoll 907 Posted March 13, 2018 21 hours ago, Mamo said: Baby crossing can also be mentioned, Reveal hidden contents Although I wouldn't label 欲槽 or any of Mejibray's songs "death metal" but Genki/whatever he went by in Mejibray is definitely one of the best at utilizing death vocals and pig squeals and strange guttural. At times they could seem like one of the most brutal but at other times weaker than an anorexic body builder. As far as bands with larger discographies go they were relatively heavy but not enough to warrant calling them more brutal than say Xodiack or Re:dis or even SINCE1889. But if they put more effort into the heavy side of their sound then maybe. But as far as what they gave us... no absolutely not getting the crown in my book. And QEDDESHET songs including their two latest ones, are far heavier than anything Mejibray ever released imho. thats why i said "off brand." Cause they wanted to go slow deathmetal Spoiler but they chicken out cause that wouldnt be kawaii and would scare their fans off. Probably why he didnt use his pig and gutterals and instead those whisper growls. And i already brought up baby crossing as an honorable mention. but since you said "new" i choose that track. and Meji didn't officially disband. xodiack had Kiryu to kage and the new holocaust but they werent serious plus it hard to take eros's growls seriously. since1889 was weak but cool. Re:dis only had one song (the one i posted before) and the rest was typical vk rock or under they kawaii factor. And As for the crown, a king doesnt flex all the time, just need to let his subject know what he can do. 欲槽 has backbone to it's heaviness, shit all of mejibray's ACTUAL heavy moments do. QEDDESHET doesn't it's just hanging up their with the riffage but nothing there to bust something open. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, blackdoll said: 欲槽 has backbone to it's heaviness, shit all of mejibray's ACTUAL heavy moments do. QEDDESHET doesn't it's just hanging up their with the riffage but nothing there to bust something open. I simply can't agree QEDDESHET uses real blast beats and grindcore techniques, as well as pig squeals and insane gutturals. They're legit brutal and Mejibray are only semi-heavy. Also you're sort of being hypocritical because you say 11 hours ago, blackdoll said: Probably why he didnt use his pig and gutterals and instead those whisper growls. But in fact QEDDESHET do actually use these vocal techniques, as well as blast beats and way heavier riffage and by that token they would be far heavier by default even without mentioning all of the other instrumental factors . As I said it's like legit western brutal vs vk semi-brutal on Mejibray's part. imo Edit: Also I never said Mejibray disbanded, not that it matters lol Edited March 13, 2018 by Mamo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) On 3/12/2018 at 8:39 AM, helcchi said: I feel like the young CodeRebirth marked a turning point in VK when Katsuya and co. made a name for themselves as probably the most metalcore kids in the scene Spoiler And further cemented his sound with his solo project Spoiler loved them, and little known fact - XALTEA's drummer is actually Zyean from JILUKA When it comes to metalcore vk bands GHOSE and JILUKA who was already mentioned. GHOSE Spoiler JILUKA Spoiler Edited March 13, 2018 by Mamo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdoll 907 Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) On 3/12/2018 at 8:38 PM, Mamo said: 1. I simply can't agree QEDDESHET uses real blast beats and grindcore techniques, as well as pig squeals and insane gutturals. They're legit brutal and Mejibray are only semi-heavy. 2. Also you're sort of being hypocritical because you say 3. But in fact QEDDESHET do actually use these vocal techniques, as well as blast beats and way heavier riffage and by that token they would be far heavier by default even without mentioning all of the other instrumental factors . As I said it's like legit western brutal vs vk semi-brutal on Mejibray's part. imo 4. Edit: Also I never said Mejibray disbanded, not that it matters lol So that's what makes something brutal for you? Wow such high standard. Ahhh no, i clearly said "riffage." Vocals are irrelevant here his low screams are weak, and again his vocal techniques are in relevant ass he is below average. You making it seem like he (Q's vocalist) is her Spoiler a technique doesn't equal brutal. You have to have power/intent. For the record that is expample of brutal vocals making up for a weak instrumental something that will probably happen in vk or metalcore because the vocalists aren't that good. And Q's blast beat VS Mejibrays heavy ass backboned riffage, Q looses. Q has tech but no power. Maybe if they dropped the guitars more or added more bass or something cause it's basically girugamesh doing another genre. did i say you did? That was just apart of the explanation for "new" and not reposting baby crossing Anyway im done, i let my new refound harder love for mejibray get me into a debate with a VK.......... BtW since your posting Unsraw weak ass. His female vocals > Yuki's crappy growls and scream. The riffage is the same level. Might as well give Glamm Grammar before i leave since they body most of the bands posted here. Spoiler Edited March 14, 2018 by blackdoll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mamo 1172 Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, blackdoll said: So that's what makes something brutal for you? Wow such high standard. A band that sounds more like Job for a cowboy, OCEANO, Behemoth, Vomit Remnants and less like "Avenged Seven fold" lol I wouldn't call it a high standard Mejibray just aren't brutal. Most vk bands truly aren't brutal but many come far closer than Mejibray who aren't even on the spectrum. By the way your standards are super high too. "Hey Mejibray has that one song where they growl and use heavy guitar riffs. #wow_soooo_br00tal" The irony that you're calling into question my standards when you're the one defending Mejibray LMAO 9 hours ago, blackdoll said: Ahhh no, i clearly said "riffage." Vocals are irrelevant here No I meant you're being hypocritical because the same techniques you say Mejibray could use to be more brutal, are the ones QEDDESHET actually uses. Get it? And no you actually said Quote Probably why he didnt use his pig and gutterals and instead those whisper growls. Which was what I was responding to and I even had this same quote right there. 9 hours ago, blackdoll said: his low screams are weak, and again his vocal techniques are in relevant ass he is below average. You making it seem like he (Q's vocalist) is her Still FARRRRRRR superior to the vocals in Mejibray, harsh that is. 9 hours ago, blackdoll said: a technique doesn't equal brutal. You have to have power/intent. For the record that is expample of brutal vocals making up for a weak instrumental something that will probably happen in vk or metalcore because the vocalists aren't that good. And Q's blast beat VS Mejibrays heavy ass backboned riffage, Q looses. Q has tech but no power. Maybe if they dropped the guitars more or added more bass or something cause it's basically girugamesh doing another genre Lol correct a technique doesn't equal brutal that's why Mejibray shouldn't even be in this conversation because the majority of the time they don't even do metal lol Also QEDDESHET's instrumentals or anything else aren't weak but lots of things about Mejibray are such as singing and playing rock and not deathgrind for starters. 9 hours ago, blackdoll said: did i say you did? That was just apart of the explanation for "new" and not reposting baby crossing On 3/12/2018 at 8:05 PM, blackdoll said: and Meji didn't officially disband Yeah you did actually and I said it didn't matter but since you're calling me out on it there ya go. 9 hours ago, blackdoll said: Anyway im done, i let my new refound harder love for mejibray get me into a debate with a VK.......... BtW since your posting Unsraw weak ass. His female vocals > Yuki's crappy growls and scream. The riffage is the same level. Might as well give Glamm Grammar before i leave since they body most of the bands posted here. Or how about I just mention Meji since their on an even less level of "br00tal" than UnsraW LMAO At least UnsraW was consistently doing METAL. VK.......... let me finish that for you, vet of the last 10 years. Listening since 2008. And listener of real Brutal music both Western and Japanese since the mid 90s. I don't know if you're serious with this or not but I shouldn't need to remind you that QEDDESHET are consistently heavy and whether you agree or not they are WAY heavier than Mejibray in every way. I hope you really are done because I really am lol I'm beginning to feel trolled because these bands legit aren't even comparable in terms of brutalness. I'll do a band battle and put it to a poll on who is more brutal if I have to lol because this is just silly. Edited March 14, 2018 by Mamo 2 Alsdead14 and nullmoon reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites