Leecher Hunt

[kurenaishineek 646]

Lately as im checking the site , looking at active and inactive members , the times a file gets downloaded and how many posts/likes there are i starting to see that the forum is starting to turn in to a leecher base . There is so many users that registered over half a year ago , that check almost each post frequently but have 0 posts . Most of sites that have downloads have some regulations , like having at least 10 posts or more to get to the download section , or virtual money where you can buy downloads . I think it might be worth to at least think that idea through as MH EXCLUSIVE was abandoned and some ppl like me who work hard as hell and can afford only 1-2 albums every 2 months , dont want their uploads being stole and reposted on some stupid crappy blog of some ungrateful kiddo .

A quick example , one of my recent posted albums Salty Dog - Goodnight, Cruel World EP , was already downloaded 289 times , HOW? , the number of views is a little over 50 and it was posted yesterday . I already found it reposted on 2 crappy blogs without my premission , without any credits to me or at least this forum . I know that bloacking off users who only leech from this site will not stop this from happening , but it will be on lower scale .

For now i will see what other users and the forums admins and mods think about this and what do they have in mind , but for now im not gonna upload new stuff from myself cause i dont want my uploads to roam freely around the web and than losing my account on a sharing site cause of high traffic on a file (100000 downloads in 1 day when i posted only on 1 site and there only 5 ppl climed to download the file) .

Quick example of a person who only leech .

GustaveXII - registered almost 4 years ago , only 1 post , i see him online every 2-3 days .

[nick 10212]

And we also have a user named "solid snake" with 0 post sneaking. (No offense to him/her if you know what I mean.) XD

[Original Saku 1593]

This is an age old problem and has always been the case here. There's really nothing to do, if we implement a post requirement the lurkers and leechers would just spam to acquire the "golden ticket" and then go back into the shadows... thus i would rather not do that. At the end of the day you upload with the knowledge that shit like this is gonna happen no matter what. Either upload or not it's your decision, shit getting re-posted at crappy blog sites without permission or credit is gonna happen no matter what even if we did try to put something into action. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself a question; Do I upload for the gratitude and self-serving feeling I receive from the act of uploading music or do I upload to spread the love and joys of music regardless of how much "thanks" or "credit" i get in return.

 

For me it's the latter. I don't give a rat's ass about "thanks" or "credit" if people want to re-post my shit, then you know what? I say let them.. What do I care? In fact that makes me happy that in the end more people will be able to listen to the music I think is wonderful. If your opinion aligns with the former then you should probably just go ahead and hang it up because you will never get the "thanks" or "credit" that you want, and your stuff will inevitably always be re-posted without even a smidgen of credit.

 

I however do agree with you on the whole re-posting links ordeal, that shit needs to die. If somebody has the gall to re-post your stuff without credit they should at least re-upload to a different file server instead of hot linking the same link.. not just because that's totally dis-respectful to the original uploader who's account is likely to be shutdown but also the fact that they are not helping the internet out at all by doing so. I mean what happens when that 's the only link for that album on the entire web? and then said link gets taken down... It's gone forever until somebody else comes around and rips/uploads the album again, that shit is not productive and overall hurts us more than it helps us.

[CAT5 9075]

I understand both ends of this issue very well.

Some people are gonna tell you, "if you don't want your stuff reposted, then don't share at all". "That's just how the net works", blah, blah, blah.

While all of that IS true, that doesn't mean nothing that can be done about it.

So I will arrange to put something together, since you ARE NOT the only person that feels this way.

[Tetora 625]

Interested to see what CAT has in mind...

As for me, I would say if it really is a huge issue to you:

1: Nvm, I was unaware.

2: Use something like GoogleDrive, where you make a private folder, only friends can see, you have to add people before they can download. Easy to keep track of who is doing what as it records names of who downloaded if you set it up right.

3: Upload only in flac, people on blogs would rather swim through a sea of piranha with their nipples being electrocuted and with Ryan Seacrest's fart as their only air supply than download a flac.

4: Upload only bloated files that are at least a gig, so people run in fear from the file size .

[Original Saku 1593]

1: Make your own password. In the first thread, say PM me for the pass. This way you can review who is in your clique. Use the same pass for everything, so once you give it to someone, they dont have to PM again.

 

Actually it's against our rules to do the PM for password thing. We strictly believe in the notion of "Share openly or don't share at all" and thus we base all our decisions regarding the download forums on that. That's why we did away with the MH exclusive option i believe...

[Guest Magatsu]

Just don't share if you want wanna share your file to unknown users. easy enough.

[Zeus 7997]

Going on a "leecher hunt", restricting access to any part of the forum, or anything of the sort just doesn't work. We've already tried. We've done things such as the VIP section and MH Exclusive, but the result is always drama and too much work for too little gain. If there was anything that we could "do", it would have been done a long time ago. Our only real option is to make Monochrome Heaven such an awesome place to be that you wouldn't need to (or even want to) go anywhere else, and then maybe that would motivate a leecher or two to come out of the shadows.

Until then, don't hold your breath for anything. If the thought of lots of people downloading your music and then sharing it across the Internet unsettles you, well, welcome to MH. We're quite effective at the whole "sharing love for visual kei" thing. We might even be a bit too good at it.

[hiroki 5521]

The following is my personal opinion and it isn't targeted at anyone in particular. I'm only writing this in the interest of generating more discussion.

 

I quote: "We strictly believe in the notion of "Share openly or don't share at all" and thus we base all our decisions regarding the download forums on that."

 

^ May I ask what's the rationale behind that?

 

I understand the whole argument of "regardless of what we do it's useless - anything posted is going to be distributed everywhere anyway; so why bother". But the fact is that there are tons of people who only want to share with a select group of people: I don't just mean people whom they know personally, but people who are part of a community. Whether that's rational or not is another issue, but such a preference is neither surprising nor uncommon. If the idea of "share with everyone or don't share at all" makes any sense, then we might as well have one gigantic server called Share Everything Here and have everyone use it to download music, anime, porn, culinary guides, etc. We don't; because people feel very differently towards having their rip shared with people within MH community, or those in the LJ communites, or the entire Jpopsuki community, etc.

 

Now, here I'm speaking only for myself: I don't give a shit about credits. As far as I'm concerned, all credits for the music belong exclusively to the band. HOWEVER, I do get terribly irritated when people post my rips outside MH without my knowledge. I want to make clear that the two are not mutually exclusive, and this annoyance is more a result of the disrespect of phantom distributors who blithely thumb their noses at the uploader and ignore his wishes, rather than any "self-serving" arrogance on the part of the uploader who's obsessed with having his ego stroked. Every time I post a rip I would request for people to at least inform me if they're going to re-post; currently half my rips are already on Jpopsuki and I've received zero PM informing me of it. If I had wanted to share my rip with the people on Jpopsuki I'd imagine I could have done so myself.

 

For me, the "doing anything is useless because x will still happen anyway" is a weak argument. I'm reminded of a recent election where the incumbent responded to the public outrage over the widening economic inequality in my country. Basically, the party officials shamelessly say, inequality is inevitable the moment we have a certain socioeconomic arrangement, with the free market and so on, and so what they've done would have been useless anyway. Of course we understand that inequality happens, but that does not mean that the government shouldn't give a shit about people who are picking up cardboard litter for a living or do more to help people who can't afford basic healthcare. The point here is that even if we acknowledge the problem cannot be solved in its entirety, there ought to be some attempt to do something about it to manage how fast the problem exacerbates, rather than just throwing our hands up in the air and demand everyone to feebly accept the unpalatable state of affairs. Clearly what happens in Jpopsuki or piratebay is outside the purview of MH - it would absurd to expect MH to "control" the spread of rips going on there - but we can definitely do something about how these get from here to there.

 

There's some truth in Zess' point: we've tried some stuff and they didn't work, or didn't work as well as we've liked. Some livejournal communities ban people who distribute stuff shared within, Chinese forums have a system where someone has to post in a thread to view a link, etc. I'll be the first to admit that not of these all methods are equally effective, and there are obvious practical difficulties for implementing something like what LJ communities do. If there's a Perfect Solution, content industries won't be shaking their fists and lobbying for stupid things in Congress once every two days. Still, there are two things that hurt me most (and, I suspect, a good majority of other uploaders who have become highly disillusioned - I'm sure we all know who they are):

　　(i) The issue is often trivialized and there's an apparent unwillingness to condemn such behavior - there's this general sentiment that people who rage over having their rip shared across the Internet are childish and simply don't understand how the Internet works;

　　(ii) There's absolutely zero regulatory mechanism on MH, no matter how simple or bypass-able they may be, to manage/reduce the distribution because "it's all useless anyway". (By the way I do feel that the "PM for password" thing is a bad idea, but uploaders are forced to resort to these last-ditch methods precisely because MH is uninterested in limiting distribution)

 

What we have here are then perfect conditions that not only endorse but encourage people to post everything here onto their blogs with a smug security because, hey, no one cares anyway!

[Original Saku 1593]

The following is my personal opinion that isn't targeted at anyone in particular, and I'm writing this in the interest of generating more discussion.

 

I quote: "We strictly believe in the notion of "Share openly or don't share at all" and thus we base all our decisions regarding the download forums on that."

 

^ May I ask what's the rationale behind that?

 

The rationale is: It's fair. doesn't cause unneeded drama. and was implemented because people were trolling and just straight denying certain people access to links at one point because they didn't like certain people. This caused a lot of pointless shit throwing between members thus we banned the "PM for link" practice and also made the notion "Share openly or don't share at all" our official stance on the matter. and for the most part it has worked fine. end of story.

 

And for the record all this talk of their being a problem with the DL section is bullshit to me. Their is nothing wrong with the DL forum it's just there as it always has been. I will say this now; We are a discussion forum first and foremost. we don't have to have a DL section and tbh It could be done away with and I wouldn't bat an eyelash. I come here for discussion and to chat with other people who are aligned with my interests. If anything getting rid of the DL forums would weed and purge out all the pretenders who are really just here for the downloads, and we would probably be better in the end for it. But we like to have nice things, convenient things, like a section for uploading music we want to share with our friends. Thus I don't see that there needs anything to be done about the "distribution" of music flowing and originating from this forum. The DL section is just simply there like it always has been and by no means should it define us a community. leave it be.

[Tokage 5930]

"If anything getting rid of the DL forums would weed and purge out all the pretenders who are really just here for the downloads, and we would probably be better in the end for it."

 

IIRC, this is like almost exactly what Batsu tried to do back when it was one of the biggest VK/Jrock communities on the web..... And then it started to die.

[Champ213 1858]

I think Zess and Saku pretty much said most of what I feel about this issue. We have tried different measures and none of them really worked. Banning leechers or people who repost stuff? They'll just make a new account. Restricted forums for "trusted" VIP users? The stuff got spread anyway. PM for link? I'm sorry, but if you are just going to share with a small bunch of people that you know and trust personally, why post it on a public forum? Just secretly share it with them and be done with it. Publicly advertising a file but then only giving it to a very select bunch is a key for drama. The only option really is to go completely private, kick-out 99% of the users, make the forum applications/invite only, and make the restrictions so harsh that even some people who posted in this thread probably wouldn't make the cut. And this isn't something that MH wants to be.

 

 

I mean, if you have any concrete and practical suggestions that we haven't tried already, feel free to make them, and we will consider them. 

 

 

Finally I should mention that it also works the other way around: stuff from jpopsuki and other places gets reposted here too. Most people find it convienent not having to check half a dozen different places to catch every upload they may be interested in.

[fitear1590 2414]

If you don't like lazy reposting, then I suggest attaching a password to you file like "fuck_yo_blogspot".

That would AT LEAST ensure that the people would reupload it (which would at least be semi-helpful in the long run, in case something happens with your upload), but other than that, I don't have any constructive suggestions...

 

[Guest Magatsu]

the blogspot problem we never can vanish away.

Those are simply fuckers and helping a lot by that labels REPORT our links to the upload sites. XD

[kurenaishineek 646]

Damn i wrote so much that i wanted to say but my PC had to go into the Blue screen of doom . So i have to wited it again but most of it ive already forgotten .

1.I did not write this topic in disrespect to the stuff , in the contrary i treat this forum as my second home and the active users as my familly . But i just wanted to see what oters think about and what was already tested .

2.Im reposting as well but as some ppl might already see im doing this from 2 sites (Alterportal and Getmetal) and mostly from 1 or 2 uploaders that i know and that are asked for permission.

3.The point i wanted to make clear here is that i dont post for any gratitude and crap like that , but i love to see the reaction of ppl that i present with some new or rare stuff i found . So i dont mind if there are no thanks posts , on the other hand i would love to see at least some more replies from the ppl who download on how they feel about the band/album and how did the like it , or did they find it boring ? Also i think that was the point of creating the like button , or am i wrong on this one ?

4.The idea of somethink like ASTOST has is not that bad , i mean come on how many times did you see reposts from ASTOST ? Me ? I did not see any . I saw files being reuploaded from ASTOST mostly on DoujinStyle , but always with credits to the site and uploaders , maybe its cause its mega hard to download anything there and that makes ppl think twice about reposting after they got they hands on some rare stuff for a lot of "notes"(or how was they virtual money called)

5.I dont mean to pressure the forum staff on hunting the leechers , i just wanted to have a little more inview on the situation from the standing point of admins and/or mods .

6.The google drive idea would not be so bad but i think it goes against the rules of "NO MH EXCLUSIVE" .

7.Original Saku said "We are a discussion forum first and foremost" , but i ask you my friend is what im saying here not contradicting the forum part ? Download section or not , but i thought the download section was also created FOR DISCUSSION not only to leech , cause if you want to leech you can go to SOOOOO many sites . Am i wrong in saying that i am more interested in downloading from this forum just to say a word or two about the band and maybe get into a friendly conversation about the posted album/single/demo , than download it from a crappy blog where no one cares and all leech only ? Again no disrespect to you .

[Champ213 1858]

I have been a staff member for, I don't know, 5 years or more, and I can tell you, we have tried a LOT to resolve this issue.

 

On occassion we have done literally hours of detective work to find out who was reposting stuff from here. If we were succesful we banned that user - and it took them 3 minutes to make a new account.

 

I know that this is a frustrating issue for uploaders, but there really is only so much we can do. Also, the expectations differe a lot from uploader to uploader.

 

 

- Some don't want their uploads to be reposted - at all. The only way to ensure that is to only share with people you personally know and trust. This is obviously a subjective thing, and if you are consequential the number of people you share with shouldn't be more than about, say, two dozen. Personally I couldn't think of more than 10 people I would share stuff with online if I want to make really sure that it never leaks. A public forum just isn't a good place for that. I don't advertise my download in a place where 100s of people can see it, if I only want to share it with 10 people to begin with. That's why we stopped the "MH Exclusive" thing. If everybody only shared their uploads with their select clique of friends, the DL section would soon become useless. Don't forget that it may, and most likely will, also hit you at some point: you may see a release posted that you really really want, but the uploader doesn't know you enough to share it with you - how would you feel?

 

- Some people just want to be sure they receive credit for their uploads. Well, some reposters have the courtesy to do so. But uploads spread in branches, so after the second or third repost the credit is usually lost. Also, you can also find download links directly via search engines. One solution here: include your name in the filename, or put a text titled "Ripped by [email protected]" into the zip file or even the ID3 tags of the mp3. Sure, that can be removed, but many people don't bother.

 

- Some people just want to receive thanks and/or comments for their uploads. There are technical solutions like "post for link" or "thanks for link". We had the "thanks for link"-option at some point, but it caused heavy lag on the server and had to be removed. That was a different forum software though. I am not sure if we can implement it here, but I can look into it. "Post for link" is usually a huge spam machine that I would like to avoid if possible. But I will look into it too, and if there's a huge demand for it, we might consider it. However neither of these prevent stuff from being reposted. It may make it slightly more easier to find people who repost, but only if they are dumb enough to use the same usernames. After being banned the first time, they usually don't.

 

- Some people just want reposters to re-upload the stuff. I fall into that category. I know stuff is going to get spread, but at least the reposters could do the community a favor by creating mirror links. Finding jrock releases older than 2 years has almost become impossible, because people just repost the same link over and over again. I like fitear's idea of using a password that the reposters are unlikely to re-use. I also noticed if I take down my link after a day and replace it with a different one, the reposters are usually too lazy to come back and steal that one too and will simply re-upload it themselves.

 

- Some people want to get notified if something gets reposted. I'm sorry, but I really don't know how we could enforce that. And even if the first reposter would do it, once it gets reposted from there, there is even less we can do.

 

 

Again, if anyone has any ideas that we havn't tried so far, bring them on!

 

 

And maybe we can hope that all the Blogspots etc. will eventually realize that they shoot themselves in the foot if they don't respect the rules the uploaders have laid out. Because if more and more people stop uploading out of frustration they have less to repost. And everyone else will also suffer because they get less music, even if they haven't done anything wrong.

[kurenaishineek 646]

Yeah well hoping for that would be good , but its almost exactly the same problem as with the transcodes . And from what i see on some crapy blogs its mainly cause the leechers just want to stand in the spotlight claimng someone else links as his own .

Also i thinki files uploaded to mega cant be searched out via search engines or at least the normal ones like google , maybe there are some specialized search enginges for mega but i did not see any for now .

[Qliffot 118]

May I join the discussion and share with You my thoughts?

 

First, I'm personally deeply convinced that the most important in process of re-uploading is giving credits to original ripper, and/or uploader. I do not consider it as much important to ask personally everybody for an official permission though; in my recent practice I mostly omitted the latter in case of re-uploads from Jpopsuki and honestly I did not feel too much guilty until now. However I would never upload anything I obtained from someone privately without asking my benefactor at first. Wherefore I am not certain, if You would consider me as a person harmful or useful for our community. But of course I have never posted anything but here and my faith is simply to gather as much good Japanese music rips in highest possible quality in one place, without necessity to look for something throughout the whole web.

 

In fact, I fancy I could confess that I'm in some way considering myself as a foul leecher despite everything. I'm visiting Monochrome Heaven only to exchange, well, not to lie, mostly to download, since I have not enough money to buy original albums by myself, music, especially in so called lossless formats, and if this section vanished forever, I would perhaps never come back. If some discussion interests me, I can read and sometimes participate, but frankly, I do not need to spend hours talking with people. The life is short and to lose it in such a way seem not funny, especially when one is so frail like me; therefore I have some better things to do than dedicate all my day for pointless discussions, namely to pray, to read poetry and mediaeval sources, and of course to listen to music itself. Thence the sole and most important reason of visiting this place is just to download more, not too much since I download only highest quality lossless music though, and, perchance, to share something which has previously given me a lot of enjoyment, what I took from Jpopsuki, or some other forum, or tracker. I could in no way be useful for this community and, if, let's say, download section became wholly somehow private, or closed, and if I just tried to talk with You to obtain access to this theoretical private section, or just to grow closer to You, I strongly feel and fear that I would never become truly accepted, and You'd all hate me, if I would only try to talk more often, so different seem my thoughts and daily life than that of most of You. That's also one of reasons why I'm sticking mostly to the download section. Perhaps, there are also other "leechers", who do the same out of similar incentives.

 

What else can I say? I humbly think it's not good reason to talk about music particularly in download section. I recently even talked about it privately with 5tranger from Gakuon. The latter community were devoted strictly for sharing music, wherefore it would be in some use to talk about shared releases in their topics themselves. However our forum is so rich in separate sections that it seems to me not necessary to force "leechers" to talk about things they are taking from here. But to force everybody to click "like this" button, if one want to take something sounds far nicer. I also liked the idea of passwords. Why should they be offensive through? I would personally suggest for every uploader making passwords with their user names. If some "leecher" wouldn't care to re-pack downloaded rip and re-upload it, one would even unwillingly give credits to original uploader, and/or ripper. In case of persons who like me re-upload things from Jpopsuki/Gakuon/RuTracker et al., we could of course make passwords with names of original uploaders as well. I believe this last way would seem the best, if uploaders of original content would eventually resign from their expectations of private request for permission to re-upload anything of theirs, satisfying their souls with obtaining credits. Of course, even this wouldn't always work, but in some cases would perhaps seem at least effective.

 

OK, that's all for now. And please, accept my sincere apologies, if my above words hurt or offend some of You.

[Naaaaani 1173]

Elitists must suffer. If you are ripping and uploading stuff on the net to everybody so don't be idiot and stop shitbricking about your credits. For example, I rip and upload some really unique stuff and don't give a fuck about my "credits", I just wanna share some good music with everybody who need it, and I'll be glad if somebody will like my work. That's all.

[Guest Magatsu]

if you credit an uploader you even put that person in danger!  asking credits for uploads for illegal material you have uploaded is stupid and disrespectful.  However in the end it's up that the re-uploader simply not claim the file as their own. however.. files should just not be re-uploaded AT ANY blog. kinda jpopsuki is okay (since many users here also upload over there). not not any stupid bakaish blog. those blogs should be banned out if they re-post our stuff.

but people who wanna have credits for their uploads... for real.. don't give a fuck. just ask them TO not claim the file as their own.

 

that;s what I wanted to say more..

 

Also.. WHEN there was a solution then the solution was also found how they could FIGHT illegal material around the web.

as so long the leechers will put or files on their stupid blogs the problem won't be solved.

The only thing we could try is to REPORT those SHITY blogs to blogspot or wordpress that they provide illegal files

 

Also I know I know you wanna that those shity blogs re-upload their stuff if they re-share it anyway. but yet. it's fun to take links down after a while. it's only shit if you can't find a working link anymore at any blog. But HEY there is this forum too where we can re-ask those music. 99% of the time there is someone so kind to reupload it. so..

Let's start to take our links offline after 2 weeks or something.

 

 

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Or wait,

 

People need to have 10 posts before they can enter the download forum.

Also then the need to keep saying THANK YOU.

After not being active after a while and still not having more than 50 posts. simply delete those profiles.

Or something similar... or that they kinda need to be have a "time online"

Or that only those people can access the download forum which have introduced themselves.

 

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But the re-share problem we can never beat.

Or we really should know who share those files at those blogs.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Magatsu

[Zeus 7997]

It seems like you all want similar yet slightly different things. Not to burst your bubble, but none of these things are things which we either haven't tried before or can tell you won't work.

You can try all you want, but you can't force gratitude. If people have to click the "Thanks" button in order to get access to a release, then the motion is meaningless because are they thanking you because they like the upload or because they have no choice? Posting for a link falls into the same trap and just produces content from those who post because they have to, not because they have anything to say. For all of that trouble, just let them be. Not to mention that adding in either of the two in no way stops people from reposting. It just makes it slightly more inconvenient.

And speaking of inconvenience, blogspots thrive because of convenience. If we start putting hurdles between people and releases, people will go where it's easier to get (literally) the same thing. We may have leechers, but at least they're here and may one day become active. There's no chance of that happening if they're all visiting other sites because we make it more difficult to get releases here. On top of all that, it won't deter those who run those sites from going through the hoops and then giving out the link for free anyway. We can't get them to give credit or at least reupload the link - do you think there's anything we can really do to stop people from reposting things?

And in case you think we can, the answer is still no. That's the same problem we faced with the VIP section and for every one person we did catch five or six slipped by. And we were only working with a group of less than 200 people before we axed the section. To put the impossibility into perspective, there are over 7000 members on Monochrome Heaven. Not happening.

The password idea is the only idea that I think has any type of traction, but that's tedious. It will stop uploaders from blindly copying and pasting links, but it does nothing to curb the overall issue of reposting in the first place, because copying another line whose password mentions us doesn't matter if people still got it from somewhere else. Most people don't care if they got it from "the source" or "elsewhere" - they just care if they have it.

Also.. WHEN there was a solution then the solution was also found how they could FIGHT illegal material around the web.

as so long the leechers will put or files on their stupid blogs the problem won't be solved.

The only thing we could try is to REPORT those SHITY blogs to blogspot or wordpress that they provide illegal files

And where did those files come from? Oh, right, here. Fight fire with fire and both websites get taken down with a DMCA notice. I'd rather just let them be until they get bored of copying us.

Let's start to take our links offline after 2 weeks or something.

Another extremely inconvenient solution that blogspots can circumvent by reuploading the materials and then continuing to offer them after we don't.

People need to have 10 posts before they can enter the download forum.

Also then the need to keep saying THANK YOU.

After not being active after a while and still not having more than 50 posts. simply delete those profiles.

Or something similar... or that they kinda need to be have a "time online"

Or that only those people can access the download forum which have introduced themselves.

I'm against deleting profiles because life happens. MH isn't the center of everyone's universe and sometimes people leave. It is a reasonable expectation that their profile is still here when they come back. If it's not, then what would push them to sign up again? I've been on forums with nazi moderators. I am no longer on those kinds of forums.

Also, I have better things to do than to weed through 7000 profiles monthly and remove people I deem unworthy.

tl;dr - Taking any actions which makes it harder to get to the releases will only drive people to places where it is easier to get them. Forcing people to thank you for posts isn't really gratitude. You can't force people to be active if they choose not to be.

[Champ213 1858]

There's one more thing I would like to add: there is nothing that stops the "leechers" from just getting the releases from your next blogspot to begin with. Yes, we can try to set a higher hurdle to download files here, like postcount, deleting "inactive" profiles, "post for link", etc. Those people that come here for downloads and downloads only will probably just leave and get the reposted uploads elsewhere.

 

Because let's face it, downloading from a blogspot is much easier, faster and less hassle than from a forum. We already have higher hurdles for getting the files by requiring registration, which blogs don't. A fullblown leecher will not even bother with that. I mean, I'm pretty much a leecher for anything non-japanese. I want a new folk metal release? I google it, I find me some easily accassible source, I download it. Don't we all do that sometimes?

 

But because of that I assume that a good number of "leechers" aren't just here for the downloads alone, but for the whole package. They want downloads, but they also want news, and lurk in the discussions, even if they don't participate themselves. 

 

Yes, it's easy to assume that people with 0 posts just come to leech, but pure leeching would be much easier elsewhere. And the harder we make it to get the downloads, the more attractive the repost places will be. "Not a big loss" some might say, and while that is partially true, a lot of our regular users here started as leechers. They came for the downloads, but stayed for the community.

[Tetora 625]

I dunno if this one works, but clow_eriol posted this in another thread:

 

Read FAQ how to use MegaCrypter.
The main advantage is that this service encrypts the links to make it impossible to report them plus you can add the option to only work if the link is accessed through a specific domain (by this we avoid thefts links).
I will share in this way from now on.

http://goo.gl/jTqpkL

 

 

 

 

Not sure if you are all aware of stuff like this, but for people having trouble with stuff being reposted, you might want to try it out.

If something like this works, then you could just not mention you are using it, people would try to repost it without knowing it doesn`t work, visitors of the blog would complain, then it would most likely be re-uploaded saving your link and account from publicity, if that is what you wish.

 

I am not an expert as I never cared if people shared my stuff in the past, but I am trying to help.

[hiroki 5521]

Sadly I don't have time to respond to everything. But firstly I must thank the admin for having done so much. Being somewhat new to the forum I don't really know the "history" of what had been tried etc., but I appreciate the effort.

 

The irony though is that I've never got the sense the admin took the problem seriously (of course I've now changed my mind). The main reason for this is that there's virtually no official stance on the matter in the download rules, which presumably is the first thing most newcomers would read.

 

Instead, we see this: "9) If you take something, and re-post it on another forum, use your own link."

 

Can we change this? For me that's tantamount to saying "go ahead and post on blogs/trackers/whatever; we don't care as long as you use your own link". Which was of course disappointing. Imo the first thing MH can consider is to make its stance more explicit and as in-your-face as need be, whether that involves re-writing some parts of the rules, or putting a banner in the download section, etc. If the uploader happens to want his files circulated as much as possible, then by all means he can say so in his post.

 

Another thing that can be done is to make leechers more visible and feel more conscious that they can *in principle* be tracked. I haven't tried doing this before but presently it seems to be the case that users are able to leech files while remaining anonymous, and who downloaded what isn't being tracked at all. Maybe we can do something about this. Users who are just downloading the files for themselves would be unaffected, while those who are mass-uploading the files on their blogs may think twice.

[Guest Magatsu]

And where did those files come from? Oh, right, here. Fight fire with fire and both websites get taken down with a DMCA notice. I'd rather just let them be until they get bored of copying us.

 

 

Baka, do you really think blogspot will report it to DMCA? of course not. Since they aren't the copyright holder, such thing can only do the copyrightholder of the files,  blogspot just take down, but won't report it to DMCA.  In their own rules is written that it's illegal to share over there illegal files. so if ya report that website they get a notice to take all there uploads offline or their blog will deleted. Monochrome Heaven is still save. such things already happened a few times before and we are still here. Don't forget that there were blogs who needed to close or who where taken down by blogspot.

That would be only the only way to get rid of those blogspots.

 

if that was really the case ya know that 4shared, 2shared, mega etc websites would help the copyright holder to get you inside the court and jail. now they only say "don't do it again or your profile will be deleted"

 

  

 

Another extremely inconvenient solution that blogspots can circumvent by reuploading the materials and then continuing to offer them after we don't.

 

Did you forget those Blogs who don't re-upload... as far I know there are about only 2 blogs left who really RE-UPLOAD all others just copy our link. and won't repost if ours is down.

But why don't we have an kind of hacker in this forum? Such person could boycot those blogspots easy

 

 

@Tetora That only makes it more difficult to repost a link, then those shit blogspot users or other who have a damn blog. need to download the file first and then to re-upload it. It's more for your own safety. that your megaupload links won't be reported.

 

@Hiroki They always said such things, and if ya read ZESS post and CHAMPS post they are not willing to put more energy into it and to change. 

 

 

So after all...

There is nothing we can do, but we can make it them much harder. but yet such thing need to happen in this forum. But I don't think, I don't believe they gonna add it here.

Edited March 23, 2014 by Magatsu