Seriously regret coming into this thread, but anyway, gotta completely disagree with Jon Jonz:
Pretty bad way to start a post that just may end up outdoing any ignorance or bullsh!t that came before it in the thread.
Is that a statistic? Maybe I should listen to something else so I can open my mind, see the real world, be one with the universe....
Pretty darn narrow-minded and downright hateful way to feel about someone with a different opinion than you.
I seriously hope that this is about VK influenced bands outside of Japan only, and that you aren`t implying Yohio and co. help support actual Japanese bands in any way... Or maybe I am wrong and X Japan or Vamps would never play NYC without Yohio...
Pretty sure people will still want to see Visual bands they like even without forcing themselves to try and enjoy foreign imitations that don`t bring anything to the table.
Visual Kei is far from simply Glam. Glam, Hair Metal and so forth are some of the ancestors of the music, for sure, but they in no way define it, and any attempt to accuse modern VK of being a Glam or Hair Metal rip-off would be buried under the countless iterations of Visual bands which have put their own perspective and ideas into the a mix of ideas that come from all over the world.
Also no idea why tranny is said so much around here, and any sexuality at all is not a factor for me personally in terms of my enjoyment of VK.
Pretty sure you have more scrobbles of VK than most people here combined. But you`re exempt from any kind of infatuation with Japanese culture / products?
I don`t see `culture` being spread, I hold culture to a somewhat higher esteem than thinking a little boy who paid to have make-up put on and producers make his band sound like somewhat old Gazette is spreading `culture`. Japanese culture has been spread for a very long time, bringing the world a wealth of new ideas, perspectives, and technologies. This has nothing to do with that, in my opinion.
The reason why so many often fail (and fail hard) at creating many `Japanese things`, is they lack the cultural background, understanding of how things came about, and why, as well as the actual nuances of PERSPECTIVE that Japan can add.
No, you don`t have to be of pure Yamato blood and raised in Honshu to get it, but simply looking and or listening to something Japanese and then copying it (usually poorly) WITHOUT ADDING ANY OF YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE WHAT-SO-EVER usually ends up creating something that is not a cultural import, not a new take on foreign ideas, and not anything interesting to most `educated` people at all. It ends up being DERIVATIVE (junk).
All ideas come from somewhere, The Waltz to The Schmaltz, Ragtime, Jazz, Blues, Rock, Metal, Hair Metal, Visual Kei.
Yet somehow, as usual, the Japanese thing is especially a rip-off, and Japanese people are up to their thieving ways again, right?
Let`s just ignore the fact that same Blues riffs are used in countless songs, guys like Jimmy Page and Ritchie Blackmore copied those riffs as well as other forms of music extensively, then that cycle repeated over and over again, until today where we can google current lawsuits or Youtube compilations of rip-offs from all around the world.
But VK is to be shamed specifically!
Something about Japan has always led foreigners to proclaim some sort of ill conceived notion that they are some special unique counterfeiters who make nothing of their own... Until the reality that Japan is one of the biggest cultural exporters and innovators of all time sets in (if it ever does, as in, if people ever actually learn more about the book than just its cover).
So you`re saying:
Hey, not much people support the Japanese bands in the first place, but let`s change any focus we had onto supporting these Western bands for some reason... Surely it is more important to support them than, you know, actually creative bands, or actual current or past ambassadors for Visual Kei and Japanese Rock, like Dir en grey, Larc, VAMPS, Girugamesh, X Japan, etc...
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1:Okay, so why don`t we talk about those in other threads, and support them if we actually like them, for example, bands like Lilith, as opposed to you telling us we should care about this Yohio band that many seem to dislike and only follow out of morbid curiosity?
2: Disagree, and disagree.
Overall I would have expected a much different, richer opinion from someone who listens to so much Visual Kei music.
In regards to things expressed not solely inside of the post I quoted:
At this point, it seems like some terms are just becoming irrelevant due to over-use, like: Rip-off, or trying to insult a VK band by calling them Indie...
Also just lol at `better than indie-fag` bands, not even sure why the select use of derogatory terms is allowed, but whatever, moving on:
Since when are the Indie VK bands seen as lower quality or, more importantly, the term Major seen as any indication of quality?
I can name tons of Indie bands that play circles around the Major bands, and if popularity is your rating point, I`m guessing you think Pop Idols are the cream of the crop. Hey, in reality that`s what this Disreign thing kind of is, I see it as less Rock and more Pop considering someone did their looks for them based on a pre-existing style, someone made the video based on pre-existing videos, someone made the album art for them based on pre-existing album art, someone produced the track to sound just like at least one pre-existing track... Where is the creative input and process from the band here?
Also to the question of why would we listen to Japanese singing in English: Because again, they put their own perspective on it, and we get a fresh product (not all the time, but you know). No matter what people say VK and other forms of Japanese music are very unique and can`t be substituted. Contrast an Indie band playing a common style with some English lyrics to a recent Miyavi song co-written by other people. You see the difference perspective makes in creating a somewhat unique product compared to what many are finding disappointment with in Miyavi`s latest.
Anyway, just my thoughts, it goes off topic, it goes back on topic, then it goes somewhere else, but whatever, think what you will, peace.
EDIT: If you like this band or whatever else, cool. I personally don`t but am not judging anyone, just disagreeing with the blanket statements, prejudices, and weird spin that seems to be put on some things. No I don`t think this band is original or important for VK at all, but that`s just me and those things don`t even need to matter to everyone anyway.
架空の「大人遊び」さ Kakuu no 'otona asobi' sa That notional 'grownup game' 馴れ合いの生活なんて Nareai no kurashi nante Living affairs and such 堕落して行くだけの Day & Day．．． Darakushite yuku dake no Just falling into depravity Day & Day...
Ah 確かなことは何一つ触れもせずに Tashikana koto wa nani hitotsu fure mo sezu ni Not feeling even one bit of certainty 「愛してるよ．．．」なんて 'Aishiteru yo...' nante 'I love you...' and such 全く 全く 違う Mattaku Completely Mattaku Completely Chigau Wrong
思い届けば それで 終わる．．． Omoi todokeba If I confessed to you Sore de It'd just Owaru... End like that... 終わらせたくない．．． 消えてしまいそうだよ．．．． Owarasetakunai... I don't want to end it... Kiete shimaisou da yo.... It's like I'm going under....
誰でも孤独さ Dare demo kodoku sa Everyone is lonely though それは違うかも知れない Sore wa chigau ka mo shirenai That may be wrong, I don't know 「I'm Happy Very Happy」それも少し違う．．． Sore mo sukoshi chigau... And that might be a little wrong as well...
Ah 僕等は互いを傷つけ合うために Bokura wa tagai o kizu tsukeau tame ni Is mutually wounding one another 生まれて来たんじゃないさ Umarete kita'njanai sa Really what we were born for 何かが 何かが 違う Nanika ga Something is Nanika ga Something is Chigau Wrong
どうして解り合えない? Doushite wakariaenai? Why can't we just understand? 君も僕も間違いさ．．． 消えてしまいそうだよ．．．． Kimi mo boku mo machigai sa... That you and me, too, we are wrong... Kiete shimaisou da yo.... It's like I'm going under....
どうして解り合えない? Doushite wakariaenai? Why can't we just understand? 君も僕も間違いさ．．． 消えてしまいたくなる．．．． Kimi mo boku mo machigai sa... That you and me, too, we are wrong... Kiete shimaitaku naru.... I'm starting to want to go under....
何故、僕等生まれてきたのさ? Naze, bokura umarete kita no sa? Why where we born? 何をやって来たと言うのさ．．． Nani o yatte kita to iu no sa... Like, what were we meant to achieve... 消えてしまいそうだよ．．．． Kiete shimaisou da yo.... It's like I'm going under....
Too Young Two Love Ah．．． Me Her Love．．．． Two Young Too Young Ah．．． Me Her Love．．．．
oh yes... again, I'm sorry on the behalf of sweden, for doing shitmusic.
Ever since Yohio it has become an embarrassment to say you're into VK, mostly because people think you're into Yohio and his fanbase concists of a bunch of 5-15year olds.... so everyone now thinks that VK has that kind of fanbase, EVERYWHERE. and everything is sooo "innovative" eventhough we who know VK know it's not...so yes, they'll think that cover is very stylish and new -.-'''
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