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50 minutes ago, Komorebi said:

I don’t think anyone here is lol

 

btw, my two cents on the LatAm performances: they sold well because of Chedoara. I know of people who asked for a refund or resold the ticket once Misc. came out. 

They haven't sold out any overseas shows before MISC was released and they only sold out in Brazil,I believe in February, a month after MISC was released and the other shows were still selling well and they even got a new Mexico date after MISC was released. 

Because believe it or not there are math rock fans and if Japanese math rock fans can't get Tricot or Sokoninaru to play in their country, Dimlim was close enough lol. 

1 hour ago, Duwang said:

His Twitter was suspended though so the evil has (partially) been defeated.

He's now slightly active on IG if anyone is interested lol

1 hour ago, nekkichi said:

if y'all are gonna be reaching for a tangible comparison for damlam and their current/future trajectory, try initial'L

 

don't even try it with global neckbeardbreath legends dir en gray and visual icons the gazette x

Are you the one that Retsu blocked on Twitter?Seems you really hate him now lol. I've also seen your post in the Dexcore thread about Dimlim so I think you'll just trolling lol. 

1 hour ago, Kuro said:

I won't say anything about Dir en grey because I didn't really listen to anything before Vulgar.

But comparing Gazette's changes to DIMLIM's is not working.

The change just from Chedoara to Misc. (and I do like Misc. while the rest was perfectly great, I don't hate any of these releases) is like what when comparing to Gazette? Akuyukai to Dim? Which's like six years of time with tons of releases inbetween?  While there's been like 1.5 years between Chedoara and Misc.? With just two releases inbetween that at least halfway still give off enough vibes of what DIMLIM released before? That comparison doesn't work for me.

 

Yeah they changed. They try. They maybe fail (even though that might be very subjective). And that's alright. But it's true that you one first needs a solid base to put all these tries onto that still will carry on with the band.

Just heading from one thing to another and yet another all the time ain't helpful. This year ain't helpful, too and that is of course nothing the band is responsible for. Question is still, if they want to survive as a band (enough fans to make enough money to keep going) or not. And that's what I'm wondering myself: Do they want to be around in 5, 10, 15 years or do they just want to make music for fun? For the latter they don't need to care about fans and money. Which still leaves the question for how long they can go on that way.

 

If they signed to label, maybe there finally would be some direction they could follow.

But from the things Retsu said months ago I never had the feeling he wants to give anything out of his hands when it comes to decisions. It's just my impression maybe it's never been his intention to say this.

If they signed to a label, we'll get to know about it sooner or later though.

Dir En Grey's Gauze and Macabre sound like debut albums by 2 very different bands. 

While it's only 1.5 years, the releases in between Cheodora and MISC did hinted the style change with Emotions (lol) the bridge between Cheodora and MISC. Their first live limited release was an alt rock and an alt metal song which was different from Various.

Hope we get new news from Dimlim but I got assured they are still alive from Retsu's IG story that they are working hard and that's something coming up soon.  

Btw Retsu posted on IG he's in nyc,nothing on why he's there and he seems to be a rich kid so he may not think about money and is all about art lol. 

4 hours ago, seys said:

whoops

 

Dimlim probably signed with a label lol. 

2 minutes ago, WhirlingBlack said:

Never thought I'd see Lets himself join the forum. 

Lets?

45 minutes ago, Kabukichoatmidnight said:

Yeah, I had a double check and that seems correct, but even still, the reports were not very positive either way. Sadly. But from here as they have changed, or at least seem to want to change the identity of the band it makes me wonder if they ever do anything again if they'll stick purely with MISC stuff. You said Hiroshi's insta story was him playing "What's up" right? So I can't help but feel they'll be dropping all pre-MISC stuff in the future. If there is a future for them at all.... lol.

 

For sure! Retsu isn't a bad song writer! Far from it. His work on everything since Issei left upto MISC has been pretty damn awesome. I still listen to all their stuff pretty regularly. The problem is, Retsu doesn't seem to know what he wants to do and building a solid fanbase is going to be hard if you keep changing your style/band identity so often. Sure they'll gain new fans, keep some old fans but they will also lose fans like that. So basically they seem to be struggling to maintain a stable fanbase. So if Retsu can just stick with one thing, push forward with that and build from there, maybe it can work. But as Demivee said above "There is no concept, no content and no clear path of what this band is aiming for." it's hard to really see at this point what is going to happen with them. Again, if anything. Weird about the store, guess there are some changes happening, but whether they're for the best or worst remains to be seen.

Dir En Grey made a career changing their style multiple times, from alt rock to alt metal to industrial metal  to nu metal to prog metal to death metal to a combination of the styles I mentioned.Did they lose their vk alt rock fans, maybe, but they gained more fans over the years.If you listen to Wake, The Final, Obscure, Yokan, Vinushka, Different Sense, Macabre you'll get confused if you're not familiar with the band. 

I only saw 1 person complaining about their last live and I've also saw a  report of a Japanese friend of a member here loving the 3 piece setup and raving about their performance.

I doubt they'll stop playing the Retsu songs but I think the Issei songs will be forever buried as they have enough material for a full show now. 

3 hours ago, Kabukichoatmidnight said:

 It does make me wonder how they'll approach future shows, if they will play older stuff or stick with MISC only as it seems anything before CHEDDAR has been dropped as of their more recent shows.

 

I know they didn't contribute to writing all that much. I been with DIMLIM since the beginning so am aware who the key song writers are.... But hell, my favourite era of DIMLIM was the Issei stuff, but hey...

From show reports here in MH, they were still playing Cheodora songs in their last live show last December and they haven't performed songs from MISC yet. 

I'm more a fan of Retsu's songwriting but I still like some of  Issei's songs, he can really write some catchy tunes,with the Invisible as my favorite in his era. 

Bad news btw, if you check Japan Music Revolution's Twitter, they said the Dimlim international store has been dropped, only reason they gave was plans had been changed on JMR.Unless the wish of their detractors lol are fulfilled that they disband, disbanded, maybe they signed a deal (agency or label)  that wants control of their merch.

1 hour ago, Demivee said:

I can understand both of your points.

Of course DIMLIM still has a huge potential with an A+ singer and a solid/creative guitarist. And yes, even MISC. has some highs which I hope they could improve over the possible next record.

But what is definiteley not deniable is that the presentation of the band (Retsu) is literally a catastrophe. There is no concept, no content and no clear path of what this band is aiming for.

In my opinion - and that should be for the most people here - is that I like a band partially because of the music and partially because of the look/theme/appearence (whatever you may name it).

The music: ok they changed (and it's our turn next hehe) and I can accept that.

The apperance: They wanted to quit VK, that's ok! But what are they aiming for?

 

And for that I think this band is nearly dead. They abandoned fans from the past as they wanted to do a cut and will be struggling to gather new fans because of a) no shows at the moment and b) no concept.

 

And that's a shame as this band had/has so much potential.
 

Ah yes and that "positive reaction from overseas" is - in my opinion- a leftover from CHEDOARA and I would bet that most of the people who got tickets for the oversea shows didn't buy them to get wild over "Lament" if you know what I mean..

Not having a concept was the point of MISC though.From interviews I've read, before Retsu became into sad chill (which I just recently listened to some artist in the genre and isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be lol) is a huge Gazette fan and Sho is a huge Dir En Grey fan, both bands changing their styles a couple of times in their career (until the Gazette settled to their current style),so I'm not suprised Dimlim is releasing albums and singles that sounds like the debut album of different bands. 

But there's only one problem with Retsu, he's an artist first and a businessman 2nd.They missed selling more copies of Cheodora and Rijin if they just released a limited edition (with bonus or alternate songs or dvd)  or put random photocards in, forcing hardcore fans to buying multiple cd's to collect all cards.They really need a manager or sign to a label. 

15 minutes ago, Kabukichoatmidnight said:

Really? You're telling me since losing both Ryuya and Taishi that DIMLIM have everything together and are firing on all cylinders with their band activities?

 

+ It's just my opinion but MISC has absolutely nothing on their previous releases so is hardly showing their strength to continue being as good as they once were. But as one of my former favourite VK bands (everything before MISC basically) I mean I would love to see them announce two new members, pull it all together and start producing killer stuff again. Just seems unlikely at this point. I mean it's good that they've been put forward for this show in the UK but based on how things have been going for them I'm not optimistic it would even happen. Despite living in the UK I'm in two minds if I would even go to this show, as they basically only play MISC stuff now right? And as I'm a fan of all their stuff before am not sure I'd want to go to a show to see them play stuff I don't really dig all that much. Only time will tell I guess.

Uhm, you missed the part they sold out their show in Brazil and the other SA shows were close? It's not like Covid forced them to postpone all plans including their show at Shibuya Womb.They haven't played any song from MISC live yet. Anyway music is subjective and MISC has their most technical playing and showcases Sho's amazing clean vocals and range. 

Ryuya was a replaceable rhythm guitarist (support guitarist or backtracked 2nd guitars) that has no song writing credit, losing Taishi was a bigger lost but he had health issues and retired.While I do think they need to recruit a bassist, a female one would be better as there are a lot of talented female session bassist in Japan.

I don't think anyone here is aware, DIMLIM was 2nd place in the band division of a competition by Tunecore Japan and sponsored by PayNoah with Tom Smith of JPU records as one of the guest judges. From my understanding,the prize is the sponsor will pay some of the fee's and gives a right to the band to perform in a venue in the UK, the grand winner though gets an all expense paid live performance in the UK that will be awarded hopefully next year.

https://magazine.tunecore.co.jp/news/76397/

From JPU's site 

https://jpurecords.com/blogs/news/iken-no-uk-winners

So how is it a downward spiral when the band is getting positive attention outside Japan? MISC is a great album and they finally  shed their D.I.D and Diru clone tag and Sho stopped trying to be Kyo 2.0.

Retsu leaving Dimlim equals to the band disbanding and a high possibility Sho retires from music. Reading their JaMe interview everyone is into the new music of MISC and I think Sho even had a hand in giving Retsu songwriting ideas and Hiroshi,I read somewhere wanted to sound like new Dezert and he got his wish somewhat.But from that interview, growls and breakdowns will one day comeback if they feel it's time to bring it back.

Retsu has been posting on IG that the band is working hard and more recently ,something is coming up soon ,which I take as new music. Hiroshi also posted a short drumming  clip on his IG story of him playing What's Up.If you guys aren't updated live shows in Japan has restarted a few months ago but with half capacity and strict implementation of social distancing required mask and shield and temperature checking at the door. Dexcore and Nazare just did a 2 man show a few days ago.