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Sorta how I look at a lot of VK bands and wonder to myself "Aren't you missing a 'the' in your name?".I'm a grammar nazi so things like BUMP OF CHICKEN kill me.

Bias. Bias. Bias. That's all that needs to be said.Music is universal. Artists from all countries take things from their country just as much as they rip off and borrow things from other countries. As a matter of fact, this happens so much that if you were to maintain "principle" and not listen to music that got an idea or a riff from somewhere else you'd pretty much just ignore music altogether. It's like Champ said, it's not about how original your ideas are, it's about how well it's done. The Japanese do music just as well as any other country does it - it's just that you prefer the way it's done in Japan compared to how Americans do it differently, Canadians do it differently and Swedes do it differently. Anything that can be produced can be copied and made better or worse. And agreed with SUBLIMINAL: What was OP thinking? -___-. This place is full to the brim of VK fanatics that think that any artist that doesn't dress up in more than four colors isn't worth listening to. I saw this faggotry on a last.fm shoutbox where someone stated loosely that Fear From The Hate would be a better band if they were VK. No. But that's getting off topic. To be on topic, I'm not addicted to Japanese music anymore. I was addicted when I had the notion that only they could make music and that everyone else sucked. When I finally realized a simple truth that all stopped. And this was the simple truth: VK is relatively underground in Japan. In order to stumble across it you have to actively search for it. That means everyone on this forum went actively searching for UNDERGROUND MUSIC! Once you immerse yourself in it overseas you get this delusion that VK is rampant across Japan and that everyone listens to it and knows who Dir en grey or MALICE MIZER is. This is wrong. To find good music anywhere, you have to scratch past the surface and dig deep. The problem here is that plenty of fans dug deep and found VK and are now content with where they sit so they don't want to dig again in another country and find more good music because this is good enough to them. This is my personal experience and I'm sure someone else may share it.

If that album's even half as good as Surveillance I'll be content. DELUHI needs to incorporate more piano into their songs like Vivid Place and The farthest. Damn those were good songs.

First things first, s[K]ape:goat is such a bad track to recommend to a beginner. It doesn't have that DELUHI spark and probably could turn a listener or two off if that's the first thing they choose to go after since the title is so funny looking. Personally I'd go with some LORELEI or the entire Surveillance EP. Go with something else - almost ANYTHING else. Just not that. Second things second, it wasn't until now that I REALLY started noticing how visualless DELUHI has become. They might as well just stop calling themselves a VK band because save the gay scarf, they look like they just put whatever on in the morning and went to the photoshoot. And finally, Frontier was alright, The farthest had it's moments and Departure was just not good. That album better BRING it.

A little something that bothers me would be the complete bastardization of both band names and song titles. Inserting a character that I cannot accurately reproduce with my keyboard (ex. CO?E THE CHILD) is pushing it, but then they like to add in brackets and colons and all sorts of shit that make it worse. s[K]ape:goat is just completely unnecessary and Kar+te=zyAnose is just ridiculous. I almost always associate anything with a colon in it to be pure shit.

Mugenkyo.

When: Sometime in November 1999. Where: Elementary school lunch room. Weeaboo introduced me to Dir en grey. First response was "who the hell are those faggots". First song: Cage. The rest is history.

^ What band has two members with the same name? I don't think I've ever heard of that. If you're talking about different bands...well after a certain point that's just unavoidable. There are but so many names in the Japanese language. Like last.fm pages, people just have to learn how to share.

Wow that sucks. Hardcore actually. Don't listen to LEON but that's sad. I thought July passed already.

VURTOX NO! Goddamnit get back soon.

Patient: NoGoD Diagnosis: way too many mid-tempo songs nowadays that follow the same exact formula. They went in a goddamn circle. Cure: FUCKING DOWNTUNE THOSE GUITARS. It doesn't even have to be heavy! Kinshi Suzume worked beautifully and the guitars didn't sound like fairy shit. More passion, more experimentation and more feeling please.

This must be said: in comparison to other VK albums, Kakera continues to uphold the NoGoD tradition of beating the shit out of their "music". In comparison to Gokusaishiki and Mugenkyo, this album fails. Polemic review now: One word describes most of this album: BORING!. I love NoGoD to pieces, don't get me wrong. My name is based off the best track of Gokusaishiki. What they need to stop doing is being NeoGoD: basically trying to experiment and explore every fucking genre of music. I'm all up for experimentation but for these guys it just does not work. Ever. Rashinban has this same exact problem. The EP was split right down the middle: half badass rocking tracks that would melt your face off with the pure force of NoGoD, and then the other three tracks that sound like NeoGoD just put in a fresh tampon and felt bliss. No. I'm not even against upbeat, poppy tracks. Shukufuku no Uta and Shirasagi did it right way back when. Here, it's just missing the NoGoD spark that sets everything over the top. First off, fuck that :39 second intro at the beginning. NoGoD hasn't done one of those since Kanna Fukyou and doesn't need to do it again. Just start off with Shinzou, which sounds like Zesshoku except worse because the band was trying too hard to be harsh instead of just letting the melodies flow. Perhaps if it weren't so cookie-cutter we'd have a winner. Akaki hi no Chikai was pretty groovin. Less forced than the previous track but also slightly less harsh. Don't care too much about that. It has the NoGoD flavor mixed with their new affinity for more melodic portions and it works. If the rest of the album was like this Kakera would have been brilliant. But it isn't. Shounen to Chizu is boring as all hell. It's so Hakoniwa/Hakujitsu Sakujitsu-ish. It's nice sounding but goes nowhere and does nothing and falls flat. What they see in this song I do not know. Nagusami no Sora is even worse. These plodding ballads/mid-tempo pieces with no emotion do not work. What needs to be said though is that for the most part, while this song doesn't grab me the way it needs to, there's a portion around the last 1:25 of the song where it picks up and reminds me a bit of Kinshi Suzume to the point where it's not a complete waste of time. Rouyoku is experimental but that beginning is just not good. Why am I halfway through the album of a METAL band and only the second and third tracks were relatively metal? No. NeoGoD needs to cut this shit out. Thank god it's short. kimi ga kureta shiawase to kimi ni sasagu namida also has the distinction of being the most atmosphereless instrumental they've done. Does not get the lingering hope vibe of Kono Ame no Mukou ni and does not even scratch the surface of Aozora. Too standard, doesn't even end properly. Skip. Kakusei - the good single that sets this album back onto more familiar territory. Does everything right and sounds like NoGoD and not some generic band. Why is this one of the best on the album? REALLY? kajitsu wa warau is another one of those mid-tempo rockers that does something right actually! I enjoyed this a lot more than I did a lot of other tracks in this vein. This would have worked much better if the rest of this album didn't sound very similar to this (will get to at end). A definite listen because it somewhat sounds like NoGoD. Pause - Disbelief. That's what I call this track. Fucking best thing on this album hands down. Sounds like the bigger brother of Ring-a Ring-o. THE REST OF THE ALBUM NEEDS TO BE ON THIS LEVEL. Really sounds like the only song they spent a reasonable amount of time on. kimi ni okuru itsudemo kienai uta reminds me a lot of kimi ni okuru bukiyou de migattena shi, not only in name but because they generally employ the same style. this sounds much more mature and refined however. If the rest of the album didn't sound like a worse version of this this too would have worked. Ai is just too much of the same really. Nice bonus track, much better than Yumemi Shoujo for sure, but neither one of them end off the album the same way Yume did, and that's a shame. Reminds me a bit of Kalmia except it doesn't sound completely cracked up on coffee. More restrained, more proper. I knew coming in this wasn't going to be a rough number but still...too much of the album sounded like this. Positives: there was no Ano hi no Sora wa Gokusai de. Holy fucking shit that song was boring. Even if everything sounded too mid-tempo for me to enjoy this thoroughly nothing was so rock bottom shit boring that I fell asleep half-way thorugh. - there was nothing extremely horrible in general. It just sounds like they played it way too safe and did it because they knew it'd work and not because they wanted to. Don't they understand that they hardly ever make bad music when they're sticking to what they know best? Bad: too much mid-tempo-ness. Why is it that so many tracks on this album start out with one guitar plucking strings in a lonely fashion? You couldn't break my face open with a mid-tempo song that actually ROCKS? You couldn't find another way to start off a slower song? What about some more acoustic strumming leading into some electric goodness, like Rinne Tenshou? It does sound like they are trying to appeal to a bigger crowd and this I have no problem with - what I have the problem with is that they're trying to forget that they're a metal band but then have II-Kaigi shitting over everything else on this album! You just can't fool me for 9 tracks, turn around throw that in my face and go back to doing the same shit for the rest of the album! YOU'RE GOOD AT THAT STAY WITH IT MAN! Overall, decent album. Perhaps even great album. It's just their worst so far. I'd keep it though. Potential to be a massive grower.

Not addressing your point but...THIS! Oh my god I fucking hate it when people throw this at me! "Oh I don't listen to Diru anymore they're too American for me now!" WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN? First off, most people didn't listen to Dir en grey back when they were VK. I WAS THERE SO I WOULD KNOW! The bunch of these VK-posers need to hop off. Secondly, it's not that Dir en grey is playing "American metal". It's that they're no longer wearing thigh-high bitch boots and loads of make-up. If you listen to the music, which you know, they MAKE, the stylistic differences between Kisou and Six Ugly are not that big. Kyo just has more screams and they tuned their guitars differently. Hell, the transition between Kisou and VULGAR isn't all that big. It's not until Withering to death. where you see these stylistic changes that people dub "American metal". Hell, I bet if they kept up with the VK act people would be jizzing buckets claiming that they're only getting better.

No offense taken. I really do agree with your viewpoint. It's just that in my quest to get back on topic I forgot to notate that I was being excessively brash. But hey look we're getting the hate back on track so it worked! Irrational Hate Moment: I really don't like it when bands make a song that follows the convention of intro -> verse -> chorus -> verse -> chorus -> bridge -> solo -> chorus -> ending. It's too cookie-cutter for me, especially when the same riff is played throughout the songs with no variation. It also tends to centralize the vocalist as the center of the band, but that may not be the case if the solo is cool. I like bits of instrumental goodness and atypical song structures in my music. Did I explain that well enough?

^ You completely missed my point .___. I was being more excessive than usual but that was to get more back on topic and less "attacking each other's opinions in a hate thread".

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Wapanese Anyway, another thing I completely despise are live distributed CD's. First off artists now use them as a cheap way to rope in devoted fans to their shows. Let's take Lycaon for example. SPEND 10000 YEN ON CONCERT TICKETS TO GET THIS ONE CRAPASS SONG ON CD THAT WE'RE GOING TO RE-RELEASE ANYWAY! I despise it when bands release more live-distributed material than studio material in one year. If you want more fans, release your music so that EVERYONE can hear it, not just 300 people. That brings me to my second point which is when people start jizzing all over their CD's because they have a live distributed and no one else does. Most of the time people don't want to hear that crapass bullshit, so you can keep your CD of recorded doggie genocide. I really don't care. Oh while you're at it, use the little insert with the OMG KAWAII lyrics to wipe your superior ass. It's a rare day in hell when a band releases a live-distributed worth hearing. Live-limited CD's piss me off even more. I JUST PAID TO COME TO YOUR CONCERT AND I'M PAYING TO HEAR MORE EKSCLUSIIV MUZIC? Are you going to charge me to take a shit and breathe air too?

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WTF?!! Coming from someone who listens to Kaya. So just because I like their music and I'm female you automatically assume I'm a fangirl? That's just dumb. There are also ViViD because they are good musicians. That's why I like them. I like ViViD because they are great musicians. True, I've never been into their b-sides until PRECIOUS, and Shin's voice CAN be a bit annoying sometimes, but he's still waaaaaaay better than Kiryu's singer. Even Byou from SCREW sings better than him. Also, people assuming that people like them because of their looks is just bullshit. The only one who looks at least a bit handsome is Shin, the rest isn't very handsome to be honest. Besides, they are signed to one of the best record companies, PSC. You can say all you want, but PSC really has some of the best bands (and one of the worst, I regret: SCREW) BUTTHURT DETECTED.Perhaps I am , but not because someone is bashing a band I like. It's mainly because they assume I like ViViD because of their looks, and not their music. That's what makes me angry. Oh, just because I'm 17 and a girl I only like bands who look good. Bands with ugly members are not in my playlist. Yeah right. That's what one of my old friends would say. Note, ex-friend.Honestly? You came into a thread titled "Official Music Hate Thread" where the first rule as stated by o hai itz will was: There's no reason to act butthurt, especially when you enter into a thread specifically tailored for bashing bands and artists people don't like. What made you think your bands were exempt? Get over it, it's the Internet. Stop taking everything so seriously and you'll last a lot longer.

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WTF?!! Coming from someone who listens to Kaya. So just because I like their music and I'm female you automatically assume I'm a fangirl? That's just dumb. There are also ViViD because they are good musicians. That's why I like them. I like ViViD because they are great musicians. True, I've never been into their b-sides until PRECIOUS, and Shin's voice CAN be a bit annoying sometimes, but he's still waaaaaaay better than Kiryu's singer. Even Byou from SCREW sings better than him. Also, people assuming that people like them because of their looks is just bullshit. The only one who looks at least a bit handsome is Shin, the rest isn't very handsome to be honest. Besides, they are signed to one of the best record companies, PSC. You can say all you want, but PSC really has some of the best bands (and one of the worst, I regret: SCREW) BUTTHURT DETECTED.

You should never ever be embarrassed by what you listen to, no matter how ridiculous it may seem! I live in a place where conformity is the law and if you don't conform you're a pariah. One of those things that you have to conform to is listening to the music everyone else tells you to. I don't and I constantly get insulted and ragged on and teased because I choose not to limit my musical tastes. That doesn't affect me any.Even if I find Justin Bieber's music disgustingly saccharine if someone else loves it then it's whatever (it's when they start going to the I LOVE HIM extremes that I step in and start the bashing fun). The only thing I can positively not stand is horrible music along the lines of Soulja Boy. Now that's not music, I don't care what genre you listen to or what you want to call it... But yeah! I forgot what I was saying...

wow i think i threw up a little...

Stop debating. Start hating. Shit why don't we just call this the "Dir en grey" thread FFS. It's like on every damn page. Enter the Hate: I hate it when people fap over rare VK demo recordings like it's God recording his private suite of angels singing and recording. First off, they all sound like shit. The music is horribly recorded and you probably can't tell one guitar from the other, or the bass, or the drums, the vocals suck. You've probably only listened to it once and keep it in your collection only to fap over it's rarity and how it was on a cassette that no one probably owns anymore. How often could you humanly listen to that awful shit? There's a reason why it was never re-recorded! Honestly, how could anyone listen to most of La:Sadie's output? I put it up only because I had it and I don't think hoarding bad sounding music is my style and there are people out there that want it, but really? Most of what they put out sounds downright shitty but there are still fans of the band only because of what they became (I refuse to fucking utter that name again ITT) and not because they sound good. They don't. As a matter of fact, how could anyone go even FURTHER back and listen to shit like Kyo's former band Gesshoku? Oh my fucking god that's horrible sounding shit. But no people hoard it because it's "rare", even if Think about death. sounds like my shit trying to speak German.

I bow to your wise words CAT5.

O M G you're back! I always wondered what happened to you. Nice of you to return!