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Sidenote: the title of this thread is hilarious.
 
WEERAH-A-GOIN' LEECHURRR HUH-N!'
 
 

I just look scary from a distance, but I can easily be placated with chocolate.
 
 
 
Seriously though I know the reposting/leeching thing is a frustrating issue for uploaders but over the years we noticed that there's only so much we can do. I will continue to look into a "press like for link"-function for this forum, because from experience it seemed like the best compromise between making leechers more "visible" and completely scaring people away.
 
I would also recommend using a link anonymizer to force people to re-upload the releases. Not only will it make their job slightly more difficult, but it also creates mirror links and preserves the file on the net for a longer time.
 
 
Because honestly, ask yourself: how often have you downloaded something from somewhere that was not the original source, but a repost, or a link you just found via google? And weren't you happy that you got it, maybe after a long search? There's two sides to every coin.
 
 
I don't really have much more to add to this topic, but I will leave it open in case someone has new suggestions.

I FUCKING DON'T WINE!
 
I SIMPLY DID MISUNDERSTOOD THAT BAD RIPS ALSO WILL BE LABELED AS TRANSCODES.
 
And the answer is simply: YES, everything with LQ = Transcode, including the WMP rips etc.
 
 
But I'm so fucking done with MH.
 
goodbye. I will never speak a word nor contribute something to this forum.

Yooo, now let's hope they finally ditch that 'standard' formula and try another style again. With this hinting at collaborating artists I'm actually expecting something different, to be honest..

BUCK-TICK will release their new album "或いはアナーキー(arui wa anarchy)" (Either this or anarchy (Imai probably discovered TPP)) on June 4th. The album will contain 14 songs, but it's not known yet whether or not songs from the new single released in May will be included on the record.
 
Rumours say that there will be some interesting guest performers included in this album, but this has not been confirmed yet. The band will go on a new Japan hall tour starting on June 18th.
 
source: blog-tick

Okay, enough of this already. This discussion is going nowhere.
 
 
1. The fact that legit rips can be mistaken for transcodes has been covered in the Transcode FAQ. ("Many people use a programme called Spek to analyze the spectograph of the file. This can give you some valuable insights, but it's by no means 100% conclusive. I could show you several Spek images of files I ripped from original CDs according to our guidelines, that could be easily mistaken for transcodes, if you only look at the spectographs.") That's just a technical limitation we have to live with.
 
 
2. There are 2 kinds of people: those who don't care if something is a transcode and those that do. The latter one will also not want to download a bad rip. By labeling something as "Transcode" this group of people know what to avoid. If it helps anything we can use the label "Low Quality" for both transcodes AND bad rips. But seriously, you are fighting about semantics here.
 
 
3. If you want to avoid making bad rips, we have guidelines here to help you. If you upload stuff that isn't your own rip, check the quality first. If things look fishy, just say so in the description or attach a Spek image, and you won't get any trouble. We don't want to overly restrict uploading, but we want that people know what to expect when downloading something.
 
 
4. When you find a upload that looks like a transcode OR a bad rip and it doesn't say so in the description, feel free to report it.
 
 
@ Magatsu: quit the whining. You are just being butthurt because a mod labeled your upload as transcode when it actually was a bad rip. It doesn't matter. If someone doesn't want to download a transcode, they certainly don't want to download a bad rip either. Those who don't mind transcodes won't mind bad rips either. Do you own the CD? Rip it again according to our guidelines. You don't? Check files you get from other sources and upload them with appropriate description. It's not rocket science.
 
 
Seriously, a few months ago people were whining that we didn't do enough against low quality files, now that we try to do more, it's still not okay. *facepalm*

BUCK-TICK will release their new album "或いはアナーキー(arui wa anarchy)" (Either this or anarchy (Imai probably discovered TPP)) on June 4th. The album will contain 14 songs, but it's not known yet whether or not songs from the new single released in May will be included on the record.
 
Rumours say that there will be some interesting guest performers included in this album, but this has not been confirmed yet. The band will go on a new Japan hall tour starting on June 18th.
 
source: blog-tick

You're missing the point here. The reason why this would come in handy is because it would force blogspot owners to reupload the files, which:
 
Keeps files online longer. If the link dies on one source, there will always be plenty of other sources where you'll be able to get it. It makes it more difficult to find the original source as well, which is safer for the uploader considering the enormous piracy hunt the US government is planning to go on. Plus it makes the file easier to access. Takes away traffic from the original uploader. I remember sugibo suddenly had incredibly high traffic when they uploaded DIVISION and not even a week later the file was deleted by mediafire, not one blog reuploaded it, file gone from the net forever. Forces the blog owners to do some more work on their blog. People who ask not to have their link reposted but reuploaded instead will be helped a great deal by this. Also let's face it; blog owners are really lazy in general. They don't even take the effort to spend 5 minutes to reupload something if the original uploader requested them to do so.
 
Finding a solution for everyone is going to be really difficult, because we've tried A LOT of methods to stop reposting and none of them worked. I'm not saying it is impossible and that we shouldn't try, but there are a lot of different uploaders with a lot of different preferences. Having Draconian measures is only going to be counterproductive because as Champ already stated, why bother going over all these hurdles here if they can get it with a single click of their mouse on a blogspot? It will take potential users away. I was a leecher once and I became active only after about 2 months, just like CAT5 was an original leecher as well. We can't take away the possibility that these people might become active after all. Besides, every uploader is different. People who want their stuff reuploaded and are pissed off by blogspots not doing so will find the encrypter a really nice solution, people who don't want their stuff reposted at all will not stop until there is a police-like brigade on this website that will kick out anyone who is even slightly linked to a blogspot.
 
And Magatsu, you can keep playing this "you're wrong, I'm right"-game but it isn't going to solve the problem. Whether these rules are acceptable are not depends on the type of uploader you are. If more people backed your ideas then we could give it some serious thought, but constantly being difficult because we're not doing it the way you want is not going to help this problem at all.
 
edit: I think changing the rule to what Champ just proposed is nicely put and keeps it flexible for both uploaders and staff members. I've always been a fan of flexible rules when it comes to the DL section because it gives both the uploaders more space and the staff can act out easier.

You're missing the point here. The reason why this would come in handy is because it would force blogspot owners to reupload the files, which:
 
Keeps files online longer. If the link dies on one source, there will always be plenty of other sources where you'll be able to get it. It makes it more difficult to find the original source as well, which is safer for the uploader considering the enormous piracy hunt the US government is planning to go on. Plus it makes the file easier to access. Takes away traffic from the original uploader. I remember sugibo suddenly had incredibly high traffic when they uploaded DIVISION and not even a week later the file was deleted by mediafire, not one blog reuploaded it, file gone from the net forever. Forces the blog owners to do some more work on their blog. People who ask not to have their link reposted but reuploaded instead will be helped a great deal by this. Also let's face it; blog owners are really lazy in general. They don't even take the effort to spend 5 minutes to reupload something if the original uploader requested them to do so.
 
Finding a solution for everyone is going to be really difficult, because we've tried A LOT of methods to stop reposting and none of them worked. I'm not saying it is impossible and that we shouldn't try, but there are a lot of different uploaders with a lot of different preferences. Having Draconian measures is only going to be counterproductive because as Champ already stated, why bother going over all these hurdles here if they can get it with a single click of their mouse on a blogspot? It will take potential users away. I was a leecher once and I became active only after about 2 months, just like CAT5 was an original leecher as well. We can't take away the possibility that these people might become active after all. Besides, every uploader is different. People who want their stuff reuploaded and are pissed off by blogspots not doing so will find the encrypter a really nice solution, people who don't want their stuff reposted at all will not stop until there is a police-like brigade on this website that will kick out anyone who is even slightly linked to a blogspot.
 
And Magatsu, you can keep playing this "you're wrong, I'm right"-game but it isn't going to solve the problem. Whether these rules are acceptable are not depends on the type of uploader you are. If more people backed your ideas then we could give it some serious thought, but constantly being difficult because we're not doing it the way you want is not going to help this problem at all.
 
edit: I think changing the rule to what Champ just proposed is nicely put and keeps it flexible for both uploaders and staff members. I've always been a fan of flexible rules when it comes to the DL section because it gives both the uploaders more space and the staff can act out easier.

There's one more thing I would like to add: there is nothing that stops the "leechers" from just getting the releases from your next blogspot to begin with. Yes, we can try to set a higher hurdle to download files here, like postcount, deleting "inactive" profiles, "post for link", etc. Those people that come here for downloads and downloads only will probably just leave and get the reposted uploads elsewhere.
 
Because let's face it, downloading from a blogspot is much easier, faster and less hassle than from a forum. We already have higher hurdles for getting the files by requiring registration, which blogs don't. A fullblown leecher will not even bother with that. I mean, I'm pretty much a leecher for anything non-japanese. I want a new folk metal release? I google it, I find me some easily accassible source, I download it. Don't we all do that sometimes?
 
But because of that I assume that a good number of "leechers" aren't just here for the downloads alone, but for the whole package. They want downloads, but they also want news, and lurk in the discussions, even if they don't participate themselves. 
 
Yes, it's easy to assume that people with 0 posts just come to leech, but pure leeching would be much easier elsewhere. And the harder we make it to get the downloads, the more attractive the repost places will be. "Not a big loss" some might say, and while that is partially true, a lot of our regular users here started as leechers. They came for the downloads, but stayed for the community.

It seems like you all want similar yet slightly different things. Not to burst your bubble, but none of these things are things which we either haven't tried before or can tell you won't work.
You can try all you want, but you can't force gratitude. If people have to click the "Thanks" button in order to get access to a release, then the motion is meaningless because are they thanking you because they like the upload or because they have no choice? Posting for a link falls into the same trap and just produces content from those who post because they have to, not because they have anything to say. For all of that trouble, just let them be. Not to mention that adding in either of the two in no way stops people from reposting. It just makes it slightly more inconvenient.
And speaking of inconvenience, blogspots thrive because of convenience. If we start putting hurdles between people and releases, people will go where it's easier to get (literally) the same thing. We may have leechers, but at least they're here and may one day become active. There's no chance of that happening if they're all visiting other sites because we make it more difficult to get releases here. On top of all that, it won't deter those who run those sites from going through the hoops and then giving out the link for free anyway. We can't get them to give credit or at least reupload the link - do you think there's anything we can really do to stop people from reposting things?
And in case you think we can, the answer is still no. That's the same problem we faced with the VIP section and for every one person we did catch five or six slipped by. And we were only working with a group of less than 200 people before we axed the section. To put the impossibility into perspective, there are over 7000 members on Monochrome Heaven. Not happening.
The password idea is the only idea that I think has any type of traction, but that's tedious. It will stop uploaders from blindly copying and pasting links, but it does nothing to curb the overall issue of reposting in the first place, because copying another line whose password mentions us doesn't matter if people still got it from somewhere else. Most people don't care if they got it from "the source" or "elsewhere" - they just care if they have it.

And where did those files come from? Oh, right, here. Fight fire with fire and both websites get taken down with a DMCA notice. I'd rather just let them be until they get bored of copying us.

Another extremely inconvenient solution that blogspots can circumvent by reuploading the materials and then continuing to offer them after we don't.

I'm against deleting profiles because life happens. MH isn't the center of everyone's universe and sometimes people leave. It is a reasonable expectation that their profile is still here when they come back. If it's not, then what would push them to sign up again? I've been on forums with nazi moderators. I am no longer on those kinds of forums.
Also, I have better things to do than to weed through 7000 profiles monthly and remove people I deem unworthy.
tl;dr - Taking any actions which makes it harder to get to the releases will only drive people to places where it is easier to get them. Forcing people to thank you for posts isn't really gratitude. You can't force people to be active if they choose not to be.

Going on a "leecher hunt", restricting access to any part of the forum, or anything of the sort just doesn't work. We've already tried. We've done things such as the VIP section and MH Exclusive, but the result is always drama and too much work for too little gain. If there was anything that we could "do", it would have been done a long time ago. Our only real option is to make Monochrome Heaven such an awesome place to be that you wouldn't need to (or even want to) go anywhere else, and then maybe that would motivate a leecher or two to come out of the shadows.
Until then, don't hold your breath for anything. If the thought of lots of people downloading your music and then sharing it across the Internet unsettles you, well, welcome to MH. We're quite effective at the whole "sharing love for visual kei" thing. We might even be a bit too good at it.

In all honesty, probably not. You might enjoy SHADOWPLAY and perhaps one or two catchier poppy songs, but I don't think there's anything for you on Supernova.

This is an age old problem and has always been the case here. There's really nothing to do, if we implement a post requirement the lurkers and leechers would just spam to acquire the "golden ticket" and then go back into the shadows... thus i would rather not do that. At the end of the day you upload with the knowledge that shit like this is gonna happen no matter what. Either upload or not it's your decision, shit getting re-posted at crappy blog sites without permission or credit is gonna happen no matter what even if we did try to put something into action. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself a question; Do I upload for the gratitude and self-serving feeling I receive from the act of uploading music or do I upload to spread the love and joys of music regardless of how much "thanks" or "credit" i get in return.
 
For me it's the latter. I don't give a rat's ass about "thanks" or "credit" if people want to re-post my shit, then you know what? I say let them.. What do I care? In fact that makes me happy that in the end more people will be able to listen to the music I think is wonderful. If your opinion aligns with the former then you should probably just go ahead and hang it up because you will never get the "thanks" or "credit" that you want, and your stuff will inevitably always be re-posted without even a smidgen of credit.
 
I however do agree with you on the whole re-posting links ordeal, that shit needs to die. If somebody has the gall to re-post your stuff without credit they should at least re-upload to a different file server instead of hot linking the same link.. not just because that's totally dis-respectful to the original uploader who's account is likely to be shutdown but also the fact that they are not helping the internet out at all by doing so. I mean what happens when that 's the only link for that album on the entire web? and then said link gets taken down... It's gone forever until somebody else comes around and rips/uploads the album again, that shit is not productive and overall hurts us more than it helps us.

#Wikisakileaks
 
But yeah, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Kisaki just made these bands up by himself.

illuminati

^ Pretty much. The tax percentage on CDs is 21% (it used to be 12% or something but they included it in the 21% group lately) so on a package of 25 euros you pay like 5 euros of tax which isn't that bad at all. I mean for 5 euros I wouldn't mind ordering at CDJapan but having to pay 18 euros extra to the company, lmao, go eat a dick.

CISGENDER SCUM

As far as I know, wrongfully declaring customs is illegal, so they might have gotten a notice about that(or stopped because they don't want to get in trouble).
 
I got my first American customs fee, but avoided it like a boss :v I guess if you order things with FedEx, then they'll charge you a customs fee. For some reason they sent the fee payment notice to Santa Fe Tobacco Company instead of me, so I had some guy calling me from there a few times wondering who the hell I was, but I just didn't answer the phone and he gave up eventually.
 
This is how 'murricans handle customs fees. DON'T TREAD ON ME.

One step closer to Shinya returning to being a fairy princess and one more nail in diru's zetsubou no coffin yaass

This took me 3 days to get jesus fuck