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Couldn't stand the summer hotness so I went to cut my hair short. Unfortunately the barber failed to cut as the pic i showed him and gave me an Ohara Sakurako mushroom head look instead. :/
 
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KEEL live-limited album "Cthulhu" will be released at their 2-man live tour "Singularity" at 2015/08/07, at 2015/08/08 and at 2015/08/16
 
KEEL members:
Vo.ryo (HOLLOWGRAM, TAG)
Gt.aie (the god and death stars, highfashionparalyze, THE MADCAP LAUGHS)
Ba.愁(shuu) (girugamesh)
Dr.Tomoi (ex-Laputa, now in C4)
 
 
2015/08/07 at Shinsaibashi FANJ with Gargoyle
2015/08/08 at Nagoya CLUB UPSET with Femme Fatale
2015/08/16 at Shinjuku LOFT with 犬神サアカス團(inugami circus-dan)
 

 
http://keel.tokyo/

KAKKOII AS FUCK
But i cant handle with these lyrics, too scary

No idea what it is called, usually just think of it `that  indie music with lots of leads and fills`. There are a lot of bands that use `similar` styles, if you are looking for the same characteristics that I associate with it.
I associate a lot of bands and songs with Radwimps because there seem to be a lot songs or bands that are influenced by them. But then again maybe there are other acts which predate them with that specific style, dunno.
 
I just made lists of some that came to mind, maybe you like some, maybe you don`t, you probably already know some as well:
 
RADWIMPS - おしゃかしゃま
 

 
yeti - monochro
 

 
illion - BEEHIVE (Solo from Radwimps)
 

 
the HIATUS - Thirst
 

 
 
Different, but similar feelings at times (for me at least):
Ling Tosite Sigure - Monster
Tk from Ling Tosite Sigure - Unravel
 
A little different, but also a strong overlapping melodic emphasis, just focused more on one instrument: 
Zoro - Latency Snow
 
Also reccomended:
クリープハイプ - エロ
Alexandros - Waitress Waitress
MIYAVI - WHAT`S MY NAME
サカナクション
 
Also dunno if this was supposed to go in the Recommendation Thread or whatever, but maybe you could put the band name in the thread title and so forth at least so the site is sorted better. Just my input.

No idea what it is called, usually just think of it `that  indie music with lots of leads and fills`. There are a lot of bands that use `similar` styles, if you are looking for the same characteristics that I associate with it.
I associate a lot of bands and songs with Radwimps because there seem to be a lot songs or bands that are influenced by them. But then again maybe there are other acts which predate them with that specific style, dunno.
 
I just made lists of some that came to mind, maybe you like some, maybe you don`t, you probably already know some as well:
 
RADWIMPS - おしゃかしゃま
 

 
yeti - monochro
 

 
illion - BEEHIVE (Solo from Radwimps)
 

 
the HIATUS - Thirst
 

 
 
Different, but similar feelings at times (for me at least):
Ling Tosite Sigure - Monster
Tk from Ling Tosite Sigure - Unravel
 
A little different, but also a strong overlapping melodic emphasis, just focused more on one instrument: 
Zoro - Latency Snow
 
Also reccomended:
クリープハイプ - エロ
Alexandros - Waitress Waitress
MIYAVI - WHAT`S MY NAME
サカナクション
 
Also dunno if this was supposed to go in the Recommendation Thread or whatever, but maybe you could put the band name in the thread title and so forth at least so the site is sorted better. Just my input.

There seems to be some confusion here.
 
First of all, as we know, ad hominem is more along the lines of attacking someone or something`s character or attributes when it is not pertinent to the argument, and merely a insult for the sake of throwing an insult. I didn`t attempt to make such an argument in my previous post, and the latter of it was about some of the fandom in general, not you in particular as I do not know you.
But back to ad hominem, this form of `argument` falls more closely in line with calling someone an idiot instead of simply providing a counter-point to someone`s perspective, or, for example, calling someone deluded, drawing unsubstantiated comparisons like referring to someone as Lenin, and so forth. It also can be found in the same area as statements which use terms such as `garbage hole`.
 
As for the strawman arguments, I`m not certain what you are referring to as you don`t seem to want to mention them, or provide a counter-argument to them. I would consider a strawman argument something along the lines of your statement about Takadanobaba, which I never mentioned, and `the future of music` which I never mentioned either, and made no claims about. I also don`t see how any discussion of originality, creativity, value, would be inherently linked to speaking of the future of anything. The discussion did not go in that direction. I`m more than willing to give my full thoughts on any matter, so I don`t think we need to make assumptions, or put words into my mouth.
 
Regarding the classical music thing, I wrote this:
 
 
 
To signify that I was not displaying my own opinions, simply giving the same examples for different areas of music, and the criticism they have faced, which many people, including you, as you have proved, disagree with, in the same way that someone may disagree that Older Visual Kei has more value, creativity, etc... per square bandmember.
 
All the examples listed are indeed actual arguments made throughout the ages, and the same arguments have been made during every shift in what people now cast under the vastly liberal term of `classical`. They have been made by regular listeners, highly esteemed critics, highly esteemed musicians, and so forth.
 
And no, this is not a simple comparison that puts Rock and Baroque side by side, it`s a demonstration of how the same tired argument has dragged on for ages, yet every time their is a shift, many people seem to say `every time the argument was made before, it was wrong, but this time, it`s right`.
 
Anyway, hopefully that clears it all up, I`m here to discuss things, and share my interest in Visual Kei, etc... Not to feud over matters or get too far away from the point. I think your last remarks were more based around confusion in my earlier post.
 
Hopefully we can move forward, and if there are future posts, they will move thoroughly address previously made points and we can stay even more on topic.
 
Thanks.

The music industry shares many similarities between scenes and genres worldwide. We can bring up similarities between Visual Kei and Pop in the obvious, natural way, or we can try and push some kind of spin on it where the similarities are not natural, and are somehow a part of some `negative` part of Visual Kei, which makes no sense when actually broken down. There`s not much I can find that is exclusive to Visual Kei in terms of their dealings with the record industry that we haven`t seen and heard about, even in much larger degrees in other scenes and genres, even Punk artists signed to major labels, and `Gangster` rappers under major labels as well. Just seems like a lame pot-shot at Visual Kei in general, which people seem to love doing, along with being cynical about the whole thing, but that isn`t exclusive to the Visual Kei fanbase either. But on the other hand, had the article been about some other cultural or subcultural aspects, I am sure they would be much more inclined to just give people straight information instead of unsubstantiated rhetoric.
 
And let`s not forget the Indie artists outselling many major Rock artists at the moment, and staying on their Indie labels...
 
 
Yes, and we can take almost anything and lay the same sassy rhetoric on it (and I know to not take what you say as dead-serious, but I`m going to go on anyway):
 
Old-School Visual Kei is a void of originality, and a garbage hole of rehashed New Wave, Grunge Goth Mall Metal with some JPop hooks thrown in for posterity.
 
Classic Rock is a void of originality and a garbage hole of ripped off Blues ideas this time brought to you by a white-man.
 
This era of `Classical` music is a void of originality, and a garbage hole of proletariat musical theory as well as recycled ideas from this other age of `Classical` music.
 
And so forth.
 
Yet people usually have the inclination in those cases to guess that the people talking are just going on in a pointless diatribe based on some temporary need to feel that their favorite music or era is the best.
 
Although that`s not always the case. Sometimes it might just be a case of not knowing what you don`t know.
 
Sometimes you just have to wonder what credentials people feel are necessary to make a statement on something. And it seems like downloading a few releases out of the hundreds, and clicking on a few PV spots gives people enough wisdom to go out to the Town Square and give their decree to the world.
 
Can the people harping on about their lack of esteem for Indie bands name the top VK Indie bands?
 
Can people even nail down Neo-Visual Kei so that they can make a statement on it?
 
Is it not obvious that without some actual measures and reasoning, almost all discussions of originality or value in Art are rhetoric and opinionated?
 
It would be nice to actually have discussions where people can just accept that people like different era`s of the music, different bands, etc... And not try and generalize things or try to departmentalize Visual Kei or it`s sub-genre`s.
 
Whether the poster I replied to is trolling or not, the post represents the actual way a lot of people `discuss` Visual Kei, and obviously only a certain small crowd of people want to read through how `Visual Kei isn`t original, it sucks now, I don`t like this band so they suck, it`s all about the looks, etc...` every single time they even think of clicking on a web page that includes the words `Visual Kei`.
 
And I also would like it if the bigger fans who seem to actually seem to be way more into than most, expressed themselves more (whether the lack is due to no interest, or not feeling comfortable, I don`t know.)
 
Just my thoughts. I posted the thread to see if it could spring-board into something interesting. But it seems like at most it`ll go down the same road. Ah well.
 
And in response to Perez. I have all the latest Cure and Shoxx, never saw anything about any relatively `new` subgenres, though I don`t always read the whole mag.

There seems to be some confusion here.
 
First of all, as we know, ad hominem is more along the lines of attacking someone or something`s character or attributes when it is not pertinent to the argument, and merely a insult for the sake of throwing an insult. I didn`t attempt to make such an argument in my previous post, and the latter of it was about some of the fandom in general, not you in particular as I do not know you.
But back to ad hominem, this form of `argument` falls more closely in line with calling someone an idiot instead of simply providing a counter-point to someone`s perspective, or, for example, calling someone deluded, drawing unsubstantiated comparisons like referring to someone as Lenin, and so forth. It also can be found in the same area as statements which use terms such as `garbage hole`.
 
As for the strawman arguments, I`m not certain what you are referring to as you don`t seem to want to mention them, or provide a counter-argument to them. I would consider a strawman argument something along the lines of your statement about Takadanobaba, which I never mentioned, and `the future of music` which I never mentioned either, and made no claims about. I also don`t see how any discussion of originality, creativity, value, would be inherently linked to speaking of the future of anything. The discussion did not go in that direction. I`m more than willing to give my full thoughts on any matter, so I don`t think we need to make assumptions, or put words into my mouth.
 
Regarding the classical music thing, I wrote this:
 
 
 
To signify that I was not displaying my own opinions, simply giving the same examples for different areas of music, and the criticism they have faced, which many people, including you, as you have proved, disagree with, in the same way that someone may disagree that Older Visual Kei has more value, creativity, etc... per square bandmember.
 
All the examples listed are indeed actual arguments made throughout the ages, and the same arguments have been made during every shift in what people now cast under the vastly liberal term of `classical`. They have been made by regular listeners, highly esteemed critics, highly esteemed musicians, and so forth.
 
And no, this is not a simple comparison that puts Rock and Baroque side by side, it`s a demonstration of how the same tired argument has dragged on for ages, yet every time their is a shift, many people seem to say `every time the argument was made before, it was wrong, but this time, it`s right`.
 
Anyway, hopefully that clears it all up, I`m here to discuss things, and share my interest in Visual Kei, etc... Not to feud over matters or get too far away from the point. I think your last remarks were more based around confusion in my earlier post.
 
Hopefully we can move forward, and if there are future posts, they will move thoroughly address previously made points and we can stay even more on topic.
 
Thanks.

What I meant was that many people who aren't that well informed might think that rock is all about being rebel and going your own path, without listening to orders and because of that since VK is connected to rock music might think VK musicians are all about going their own way etc and I don't think that's very likely. And in japan maybe more than anywhere else everything which has something to do with bands etc is very controled. (I hope I make sense...I'm very tired so I'm not even sure of what I just wrote XD)

It reads to me like something written by someone who isn't much of a VK fan and did a handful of research before writing this article making sure to base their descriptions through the small list of bands they know. X, Diru, Sug. Then threw in some basic wiki article fluff to sound 'verified' and passed it off as expert opinion. Yes, some of the history lined up but a fan of the genre could give a much better review of the history and how visual kei specific labels work. As well as the scenes in general which felt glossed over (probably because the writer had little knowledge of them to begin with).
With that said, it' still not a bad introductory piece for someone who is interested in learning about visual kei, but I'd say it's a starting point to digging for their own information... definitely not something to take too seriously.
And to add, does the 'new school' of bands feel more generic and less creative in than the 'originals'? Yeah, sure... everything does, in basically every genre. When something stops being underground and starts including pop music influence, that's generally what happens. That doesn't mean there still aren't a ton of great bands making music, though. There's just a ton of clone bands to wade through before you find them, and I think that's the part people tend to get lost in.

http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/feature/11233/The-story-of-visual-kei
 
When I started reading this article I knew that it might be `nerd-rage` inducing for some VK fans.
 
Obviously it`s hard for a lot of fans who may be very passionate about something to read someone else`s interpretation of what they love, especially when it is a perceived `outsider`.
 
What do you think of how they covered the subject?
Anything you disagreed with?
 
 
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Here`s what I posted as a comment, hehe, it gives a hint as to what my thoughts were (it appears that comments need to be verified though, so it`s not up as of me posting this):
 
 
Also, at least they got one thing right, IMO,  Hosts and others imitated VK style, not the other way around (unless they are Kameleo or Golden Bomber etc...)
 
 
-----
 
The site seems like it may be interesting for some people, they have different magazines for different cities, here are some other articles you may have seen which I found because Yahoo sucks and couldn`t find what I actually wanted:
 
Popularity of Japanese acts overseas:
http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/feature/10338/Big-in-and-out-of-Japan
 
Lilith:
http://www.timeoutshanghai.com/features/Music-Music_features/19998/Introducing-Lilith.html

The music industry shares many similarities between scenes and genres worldwide. We can bring up similarities between Visual Kei and Pop in the obvious, natural way, or we can try and push some kind of spin on it where the similarities are not natural, and are somehow a part of some `negative` part of Visual Kei, which makes no sense when actually broken down. There`s not much I can find that is exclusive to Visual Kei in terms of their dealings with the record industry that we haven`t seen and heard about, even in much larger degrees in other scenes and genres, even Punk artists signed to major labels, and `Gangster` rappers under major labels as well. Just seems like a lame pot-shot at Visual Kei in general, which people seem to love doing, along with being cynical about the whole thing, but that isn`t exclusive to the Visual Kei fanbase either. But on the other hand, had the article been about some other cultural or subcultural aspects, I am sure they would be much more inclined to just give people straight information instead of unsubstantiated rhetoric.
 
And let`s not forget the Indie artists outselling many major Rock artists at the moment, and staying on their Indie labels...
 
 
Yes, and we can take almost anything and lay the same sassy rhetoric on it (and I know to not take what you say as dead-serious, but I`m going to go on anyway):
 
Old-School Visual Kei is a void of originality, and a garbage hole of rehashed New Wave, Grunge Goth Mall Metal with some JPop hooks thrown in for posterity.
 
Classic Rock is a void of originality and a garbage hole of ripped off Blues ideas this time brought to you by a white-man.
 
This era of `Classical` music is a void of originality, and a garbage hole of proletariat musical theory as well as recycled ideas from this other age of `Classical` music.
 
And so forth.
 
Yet people usually have the inclination in those cases to guess that the people talking are just going on in a pointless diatribe based on some temporary need to feel that their favorite music or era is the best.
 
Although that`s not always the case. Sometimes it might just be a case of not knowing what you don`t know.
 
Sometimes you just have to wonder what credentials people feel are necessary to make a statement on something. And it seems like downloading a few releases out of the hundreds, and clicking on a few PV spots gives people enough wisdom to go out to the Town Square and give their decree to the world.
 
Can the people harping on about their lack of esteem for Indie bands name the top VK Indie bands?
 
Can people even nail down Neo-Visual Kei so that they can make a statement on it?
 
Is it not obvious that without some actual measures and reasoning, almost all discussions of originality or value in Art are rhetoric and opinionated?
 
It would be nice to actually have discussions where people can just accept that people like different era`s of the music, different bands, etc... And not try and generalize things or try to departmentalize Visual Kei or it`s sub-genre`s.
 
Whether the poster I replied to is trolling or not, the post represents the actual way a lot of people `discuss` Visual Kei, and obviously only a certain small crowd of people want to read through how `Visual Kei isn`t original, it sucks now, I don`t like this band so they suck, it`s all about the looks, etc...` every single time they even think of clicking on a web page that includes the words `Visual Kei`.
 
And I also would like it if the bigger fans who seem to actually seem to be way more into than most, expressed themselves more (whether the lack is due to no interest, or not feeling comfortable, I don`t know.)
 
Just my thoughts. I posted the thread to see if it could spring-board into something interesting. But it seems like at most it`ll go down the same road. Ah well.
 
And in response to Perez. I have all the latest Cure and Shoxx, never saw anything about any relatively `new` subgenres, though I don`t always read the whole mag.

http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/feature/11233/The-story-of-visual-kei
 
When I started reading this article I knew that it might be `nerd-rage` inducing for some VK fans.
 
Obviously it`s hard for a lot of fans who may be very passionate about something to read someone else`s interpretation of what they love, especially when it is a perceived `outsider`.
 
What do you think of how they covered the subject?
Anything you disagreed with?
 
 
-----
 
Here`s what I posted as a comment, hehe, it gives a hint as to what my thoughts were (it appears that comments need to be verified though, so it`s not up as of me posting this):
 
 
Also, at least they got one thing right, IMO,  Hosts and others imitated VK style, not the other way around (unless they are Kameleo or Golden Bomber etc...)
 
 
-----
 
The site seems like it may be interesting for some people, they have different magazines for different cities, here are some other articles you may have seen which I found because Yahoo sucks and couldn`t find what I actually wanted:
 
Popularity of Japanese acts overseas:
http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/feature/10338/Big-in-and-out-of-Japan
 
Lilith:
http://www.timeoutshanghai.com/features/Music-Music_features/19998/Introducing-Lilith.html

"Paradogs" B-TYPE is 20% off on CDJapan clearance sale (until may, 31). Go get it! (8 on stock) http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/RSCD-172
Also both types of "Tokyo Electric Parade" are 50% off ! A-TYPE / B-TYPE

20% off on both limited types on CDJapan clearance sale (until may 31) :
 
A-TYPE (CD+DVD) http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/BPRVD-154(12 on stock)
B-TYPE (CD+DVD) http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/BPRVD-155(6 on stock)

tbh
 

You know, in case someone hasn't seen. There's more matches on the ROH channel that are essential watches too. 
 
Not going to front, thought the Owens segment on Raw was awesome. I still think his physique is so bad that it's surreal how much the times have changed from haytch thinking that Angle was too short to be a champion, to now pushing this slob with more girth that height. Not that guys ever get over or work relative to their physique but god damn how about cutting some. 
 
Why does the IC Elimination chamber have jobbers like Ryback and R-Truth? Where's Neville or Stardust or Bray ( who's exclusion I'd understand because they fancy him as a possible ME but he hasn't been doing anything in a while ). Owens/Cena and Ambrose/Rollins I can't wait for. 
 
Matches of the year so far? Mine are Cena/Rollins/Brock from the Royal Rumble and Ibushi/Nakamura from WK. Wouldn't rate neither less than five stars. 

in honor of me taking home the crown for best looking male, here is a picture of me in terrible drag. #blenditoutbitch
 

THOUGHTS EVERYONE? I still haven't watched the ME but I'll get around doing it in a minute and then be back. 
 
This is honestly the only topic on this entire forum now that doesn't raise my blood pressure and even though I look about as proud as a pedophile walking to court when I admit to liking this stuff, I cherish the feeling of comradery amongst the fans of 'rasslin   

so many kawaii on this band

Eh, I think NOIZ will be fun too. They seem really energetic.
 
I think this is a pretty decent line-up - for a Toronto convention, at least. Both bands seem like they're going to be very talkative and engaging, so hopefully my friends will be willing to stick around for the whole thing. They're not into Japanese music at all, so if the bands aren't funny or quirky they get bored and start wanting to go home.

On top of my head.
The GazettE - DIM
Versailles - Jubilee
Kamijo - Symphony of the Vampire
DIR EN GREY - UROBOROS
DIR EN GREY - ARCHE
DIV - Zero One

Yazzmad, FLiP, XOVER, absentmindedness, LuLu whole discography I don't skip. Coincidentally they make great study music as I don't have to fuss about not liking any of the songs.
 
For specific albums:
Kamijo - Symphony of the Vampire
Calmando Qual - Black Sheep
Cyntia - Lady Made
 
I find very few artists with albums that don't have skippable songs