Loooong songs

[Champ213 1858]

(Note: I'm putting this into the J-Rock section, because most music-discussion goes on here, but this is in no means limited to japanese music)

So... as the title says, it's about long songs. Since "long" is rather relative I define it as songs 7 minutes and above . Obviously some people would say that a song is only long if it's above 10 or 15, or 20 minutes or whatever, but I rather use the lowest common denominator, and it seems to me that standard songs are usually between 4 and 6 minutes.

So... what do you think of long songs? Like them? Hate them? What are your favourite long songs, and what is the longest song you ever listened to (as a whole without skipping)?

[Guest]

Whenever I listen to long songs (Green Carnation, X Japan, Moonsorrow, Devil Doll, Reverend Bizarre or whatever) I always listen through the whole song without pausing or skipping.

My favourite long songs would be:

Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day of Darkness 60 minutes

Devil Doll - The Girl Who Was... Death 39 minutes

Devil Doll - Mr. Doctor 20:30 minutes

Devil Doll - Eliogabalus 25 minutes

Devil Doll - Sacrilegium 45 minutes

Devil Doll - The Sacrilege of Fatal Arms 01:19:03 (can't remember exactly how long it is though, since it doesn't feel more than 20 minutes or so)

Devil Doll - Dies Irae 01:11:45

Hypothermia - Skogens Hjärta 60

Reverend Bizarre - Cirith Ungol 21

Reverend Bizarre - Sorrow 25

Reverend Bizarre - Anywhere Out of This World 25

Moonsorrow - Jäästä Syntynyt / Varjojen Virta 30

Moonsorrow - Tuleen Ajettu Maa 26

Moonsorrow - Tulimyrsky 30

As for Jrock:

Merry - Gekisei 15

X Japan - Art of Life 30

I'm a fan of long songs in general. It gives the band a real chance to build up over time and make the climax even bigger, better, whatever. But good songs are good songs, be them 7 seconds or 1 hour and 20 minutes long.

[Peace Heavy mk II 7200]

Meh, depends on the song. Some long songs I like because they sound like 8 songs mashed into one mp3, like 70% of everything Dream Theater ever released (although not all of them are that interesting). For me, long is 6:30 or longer.

Favorite long ones :

*Dream Theater- The Shattered Fortress (12:50)

*Dream Theater- Overture (6:51)

*Dream Theater- Honor Thy Father (10:14)

*Versailles - God Palace -Method of Inheritance- (10:30)

*Versailles - The Love from a Dead Orchestra (8:29)

Aliene Ma'riage- SUICIDE～洗礼の章 (7:39)

Damned Spirit's Dance- Fake (7:24)

Avenged Sevenfold - Save Me (10:56)

*Avenged Sevenfold - M.I.A. (8:46)

* = Listen to semi-often, but skip parts of the song like keyboard filler, cardboard cut-out actors, the ending of the song, etc.

I have the files for / have listened to other songs, some longer, some around the same length, but they don't really come to mind as favorites when thinking about this. I tend to favor songs at around 3~4 minutes long with really catchy melodies the most in terms of listening to them on repeat (by repeat I mean 2~4 times. I can't listen to the same song over and over again).

The longest song I've ever listened to without skipping, I think, is "The Odyssey" by Symphony X (24:12). Others include "Octavarium" and "A Change of Seasons" by Dream Theater, and "2010" by HYSTERIC BLAME...even though that's 22 minutes of silence, and then 1:30 of cool synth / other song excerpts.

[Jigsaw9 6783]

I think I prefer long songs from more "avantgarde" artists (dunno how you interpret that, so let's say "unconventional" instead) than from regular pop/rock/metal bands, except for a very small number of exceptions.

Basically anything from Acid Mothers Temple (any of their variations).

My longest would have to be Delirium Cordia by Fantômas (74 minutes).

[Kyo-sama 0]

I could say I revel in long songs

The longest song I ever listened is by Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Providence (29:04) I think (all their song are pretty long)

but I hate when the song is ... just long but half or more is just silence or some noise for example this 激情旅楽団??祥 - タイトル??明 (16:27) above half of this song is just chirping

and these are my favorites:

Hans Zimmer - Psychological Recovery... 6 Months (18:18) but after 9 minutes it's a little boring

DIR EN GREY - Vinushka (9:37)

ムック - 朽木??塔 (11:27) 3 minutes of silence :/

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - East Hastings 17:58

Clint Mansell - Death is the Road to Awe (8:26)

cocklobin - WHEEL OF FORTUNE (13:06) over 3 minutes of silent in the middle of song :/

[sai 868]

Versailles - God Palace -Method of Inheritance-

Dir en grey - Vinushka

12012 - CONFESSION

Nightwish - The Poet and the Pendulum (non-Jrock)

[Guest]

Being a music student, I normally listen to sonatas and operas etc, so most of the stuff on my ipod is over 20 minutes. However long vk/jrock songs that are awesome:

心??音 Innocent Cry - JILS (7:02)

街???? - Eins:Vier (7:06)

yesterdays - La'cryma Christi (7:07)

鳥籠??中??彼女 - KneuKlid Romance (7:27)

Deathtopia A View - Of-J (7:48)

View - Lastier (8:05)

箱 - ?????? (8:32)

pharacy III - l'yse:nore (9:38)

Water Melon - ya-foo (10:11)

Verfolgungswahn - D+ress (12:10) - Pretty sure it's an Art of Life parody.

激声 - メリー (15:19) - Haters remain pressed.

??想郷-acoustic version- ROUAGE (14:15)

[Takadanobabaalien 3607]

I love long songs, simply because it feels like time passes by faster. And they are often really good.

L,dear - that weird song (23 min or something).

NéiL - Deep eternal "more DEEP" version (7 min~)

Ruellia - 弾刻??判･冥府審判(魔女狩迷宮??説 シナリオbefore～シナリオ0) (8 min~?)

These are the first 3 that comes to my mind, I know there's more that I like.

Oh,

Kuroageha - Dear HITLER.

Verfolgungswahn - D+ress (12:10) - Pretty sure it's an Art of Life parody.

[sai 868]

Off topic: omg Herpes your avatar

[Neon 6]

Versailles - God Palace -Method of Inheritance-

Dir en grey - Vinushka

Versailles - God Palace -Method of Inheritance-

Versailles - The Love from a Dead Orchestra

X japan - Art of life

Long songs are cool but I love sort ones to

[Guest]

Off topic: omg Herpes your avatar

When I get some more time, gonna make a longer one. His blog has over 50 pictures of him just looking derpy all in the same pose.

[nekkichi 6043]

cocklobin - WHEEL OF FORTUNE (13:06) over 3 minutes of silent in the middle of song :/

that's two tracks and 3 silent minutes actually, so doesn't count

[Senedjem 510]

Deathtopia A View - Of-J (7:48)

UgghGfggfFddlgGhgh

[sai 868]

Off topic: omg Herpes your avatar

When I get some more time, gonna make a longer one. His blog has over 50 pictures of him just looking derpy all in the same pose.

It's like the Oshare version of Kiwamu

[Kyo-sama 0]

cocklobin - WHEEL OF FORTUNE (13:06) over 3 minutes of silent in the middle of song :/

that's two tracks and 3 silent minutes actually, so doesn't count

Yeah, but it's in one track you know what I mean but whatever

[Champ213 1858]

Ugh, I hate that Song+silence+song routine.... seems rather pointless to me. =/

Anyway, some of my favourite long songs:

Thy Catafalque - Neath Waters (18:43)

Kauan - Sokea Sisar (12:35)

Summoning - Land of the Dead (12:59)

Týr - Land (16:19)

Wolves in the Throne Room - A Looming Resonance (12:01)

Helengard - Snowstorm Call (7:20)

Moonsorrow - Huuto (15:58)

And more, but this is what I could think of from the top of my head.

J-Rock:

X japan - Art of Life

夢中夢 - 祈り (10:27)

L,DEAR - 愛の媚薬 (10:22)

Versailles - The Love From A Dead Orchestra (8:28)

The longest song I listened to was Eluvium - Static Nocturne (around 50 min) I think... though it was kinda too... static for my taste. XD

[SUBLIMINAL 52]

Thy Catafalque - Neath Waters (18:43)

Kauan - Sokea Sisar (12:35)

夢中夢 - 祈り (10:27)

+

The Gathering - Probably Built in the Fifties (7:26)

Alcest - Printemps émeraude (7:20)

Ayreon - The Sixth Extinction (12:18)

Fen - End of the Dream (8:13)

Agalloch - In The Shadow Of Our Pale Companion (14:42)

Devin Townsend Project - Awake!! (9:44) & Heaven Send (8:54)

Cult of Luna - Dark City, Dead Man (15:49)

Gojira - Flying Whales (7:45)

There are more, but my laptop is about to run out of battery, so this'll do for now. Usually if I'm that into a song, I never even notice the length!

[TheBistroButcher666 228]

Long songs are a mix bag for me. Some do it great and those are ones I consider I can listen to from beginning to end without day dreaming. Others could shave a minute or two off because it seems like a lame attempt at trying to be long and 'epic'. Eh, it just depends.

I ain't counting songs from movie soundtracks since many of those are pretty long but they're different from just an actual long song.

Arkona - Marena (7:22)

Arkona - Po syroj zemle (7:40)

Symphony X - The Odyssey (24:10)

Helloween - The King For A 1000 Years (13:55)

Helloween - Halloween (13:18)

Death - Flesh and the Power It Holds (8:26)

The Protomen - Sons of Fate (8:13)

Wintersun - Star Child (7:55)

Wintersun - Battle Against Time (7:03)

Morbid Saint - Assassin (7:03)

Cradle of Filth - Amor E Morte (7:15)

Blind Guardian - Majesty (7:33)

Týr - Eric the Red (7:42)

Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark (live) (8:04)

Kamelot - Momento Mori (8:54)

NeiL - DEEP ETERNAL (Moar "Deep" Version) (7:53)

Versailles - Princess (8:25)

AFTER IMAGE - 黒????晶 (8:05)

Only three Japanese songs ~ I guess I have no love for long Japanese songs 3

[Champ213 1858]

Only three Japanese songs ~ I guess I have no love for long Japanese songs 3

I don't have that many long japanese songs either.... but maybe I'm just listening to the wrong genres when it comes to japanese music.

[saishuu 3220]

lol I used to hate long songs when I was younger, but I've grown to like quite a few of these, especially in the last couple of years.

My favorite long song of all time is easily Sufjan Stevens' "Impossible Soul" (25:34). Some of my other favorites are:

Sufjan Stevens - Age of Adz (7:59)

Sufjan Stevens - All Delighted People (11:38)

Muse - Citizen Erased (7:23)

world's end girlfriend - Les Enfants du Paradis (7:13)

ムック - 朽木の塔 (11:27)

MERRY - 激声 (15:19)

B'z - BAD COMMUNICATION (7:23)

GRAPEVINE - Pity on the boulevard (7:02)

清木場俊介 - 天は我をも裁けるものか! (7:50)

清木場俊介 - 人間じゃろうが！ (7:34)

凛として時雨 - moment A rhythm (16:50)

くるり - かごの中のジョニー (7:14)

Perfume - edge -extended mix- (8:40)

JILS - 聖書 -BIBLE- (8:42)

LUNA SEA - SEARCH FOR REASON (7:11)

LUNA SEA - ANOTHER (7:36)

LUNA SEA - FOREVER & EVER (10:28)

LUNA SEA - GENESIS OF MIND～夢の彼方へ～ (8:11)

Sugar - 手紙に代えて。 (8:08)

[Guest]

As for japanese songs, I can pull these out from my head now, and they are all songs that I listen to quite often, from the begining to the end of course:

Boris - Absolutego 65:34

Boris - Ganbou-Ki 15:44

Boris - Kuruimizu 14:27

Boris - Vomitself 16:57

Boris - Flood 68:49 (on some versions it's split up in four parts that's 14,13, 20 and 21)

Boris feat Merzbow - It Continues Waiting for a Headronefish 23:26

Boris feat Merzbow - Encounter with the Inside of the Wave Motion of Great Waterfuzz 20:04

Boris feat Merzbow - ...and Texas Spaceship 17:56

Boris - Feedbacker 42:28

Boris - The Dead Angle Which It Continues Showing 20:00

Boris - Giddiness Throne 20:08

Boris - Interference Demon 19:59

Boris - Evil Wave Form 19:55

Boris - The Evil One Which Sobs 16:11

Boris - Sun Baked Snow Cave 62:02

Boris - Merciless 14:25

Boris - Loose 21:33

Boris - Red 21:29

Boris - Evil Wave Form 19:42

Boris & SunnO))) - Blood Swamp 14:46

Boris - Untitled 19:20

Boris - ... 15:29

Boris with Michio Kurihara - Cloud Chamber Part 1 18:52

Boris with Michio Kurihara - Cloud Chamber Part 2 17:29

Boris feat Merzbow - Naki Kyoku 14:08

Corrupted - Sisto 14:57

Corrupted - Paso Inferior 41:46

Corrupted - Sangre/Humanos 49:56

Corrupted - El Mundo 73:54

Corrupted - Paso Inferior I 14:39

Corrupted - Paso Inferior II 15:48

Corrupted - El Mundo Frio 71:39

Corrupted - Gekkou No Daichi 17:02

Birushanah - Akai Yami (Red Darkness) 20:29

Birushanah - Kairal (Thunderstorm) 17:40

Sabbat - The Dwelling - The Melody Of The Death Mask 59:58

Sabbat - Nekromantik 13:53

Congenital Hell - Into the Doom 36:31

Congenital Hell - Solitude 15:18

Congenital Hell - Existence 14:15

dot(.) - Smoking Green 13:49

These are all bands that I listen to often, and I absolutely LOVE all the songs I listed now. One thing that I find kinda "funny", is that because of all these songs are so good, they feel alot shorter than songs that I find bad like The Gazette's "Guren" or Dir en grey's "The Pledge". And that's how good songs work for me, they always seem short as fuck no matter how long they are, just like bad songs feel as if they are gonna last forever.

Just like when you're bored and the time goes slow as fuck, and when you're having fun the hours feels like minutes and so on. Like a baaaad movie seem to be 5 hours long even though it is only 75 minutss long, and a good movie that lasts for 3 hours feel like 30 minutes and so on.

And as I said earlier on, there exist good and bad long songs. But when they really nail it, it really gets special because of how they can use build ups and all that. I really love that!

[Champ213 1858]

JILS - 聖書 -BIBLE- (8:42)

LUNA SEA - ANOTHER (7:36)

Oh yeah, those are good ones too!

[TheBistroButcher666 228]

Ugh, I hate that Song+silence+song routine.... seems rather pointless to me. =/

That is my absolute biggest pet peeve when it comes to music. Any sort of obnoxious filler in the middle of a song I just don't like at all. Especially if it starts up sounding like a completely different song. Then I just wish they broke it up into two different songs.

[Senedjem 510]

Forgot ??zo:diaek】's 7 min.+ long songs "??実ノ天使 -Reality-" "Rain" and "??????"

Fucking incredible tracks.

[Vurtox 3]

Despite being split into like 21 songs, Kalisia's album Cybion is technically one long song, it breaks at about 70 minutes long and is my all time favorite track/album/composition of all time. Some other long ass songs I like are:

Disillusion - The Sleep of Restless Hours (17:03)

Disillusion - Back to Times of Splendor (14:49)

Frost* - Milliontown (26:35)

Monolith - Monolith I (51:58)

Monolith - Monolith II (50:24)

Kauan - Valveuni (10:36)

Kauan - Äidin Laulu (12:02)

That's just a few.