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I dont want to be this off topic, but just to clear this up, I was not saying they only make money due to the lights etc... I was saying they make so much because they sell things like that, just like many other bands do. The same way bands make so much off the towels, cheki etc... Kameleo is positioned as a super-indie band yet still draws in good profits due to things like that. Live shows are not very profitable in many cases but things like this make them, and close the gap in profits. Nowhere did I say anything about people not liking their music, fans who like their music also buy those things and that is business worldwide for bands. Anyway, back to DIV.

So I am too naive to understand? I see it more as you passing off completely unproven rhetoric as fact rather than just your opinion. I see no evidence for any of what you said. And no, I dont think you can quote everything I said and prove how wrong I am because I am just giving my opinion and you dont have any actual evidence that will pass as factual here. The arguments you provided are based off your opinion, which I gave my opinion on, and you retorted with things I honestly dont buy, and come off as some 'major label conspiracy theory'. Bottom line how I see it, the label has many great acts that I love, and have grown them while not visibly changing them or making them less 'VK', and I have personally never seen them do so. Maybe you were there behind closed doors when these things happened, but in the event that you werent, I see no reason to believe that they are ruining their artists, it would only be an unsubstantiated theory. As for ViViD, yes they are on a label that has been known for changing artists, Kra said it, SuG said it etc... so it is a possibility, though I still like their music, just like I still like MuCC who is more popular than ever, and I still like a whole bunch of other bands that didnt make the same exact songs over and over again. Shaolan, as for SID, I dont mind if you call them whatever you like, I was just explaining why I feel confident referring to them as VK, and I think I made a pretty good argument, along with the fact that I can go buy a new VK magazine and they will have a photoshoot or interview in it.

They come from a VK label, where they were seen as a VK band, played and continue to play shows and do appearances with VK bands, were touted as the unstoppable VK band when they started cracking the Oricon top 10, still have the same core style and occasionally over the top outfits as they did before they went major, and decided to base their Mousou Nikki collaboration around VK bands. But if you believe they arent a VK band, more power to you.

I honestly don`t agree with you at all. First off, me and many other people have enjoyed their recent releases. I thought Zero-One was one of the best albums in a long time and have met many people who have felt the same. I have seen many people that love Butterfly Dreamer and You, as well as their latest. A few people disliking it doesn`t make it universally accepted as bad. I can look at pretty much any recent band and see the same comments from people: `Their older stuff was better`, `they aren`t as good as they used to be`. People and animals dont like change, it`s in their nature. Put a cat in a new environment and he hides under something in fear until he gets used to the surroundings. You fall in love with one sound, then think you want more of that, and the band comes out with something new and you instantly feel betrayed because it is slightly or majorly different in its sound, and you avoid it and think you either think you dislike it or actually do dislike it. The issue now is that there are hundreds of different releases you could be listening to instead, so people wont take as much time listening to something and figuring it out, they will just move on. And how would they keep getting worse because they dont have the experience and maturity to deal with popularity? Wouldn`t they be gaining this experience and maturity as they move on, isn`t that how it works? How do you gain the experience before you are popular? Also, Danger Crue is far from the label you seem to be describing (PSC). I have never seen Danger Crue force something on a band, or develop bad relations with any of their bands. They grew or collaborated with some of the biggest acts in VK, including MuCC, Larc, some of L`arc members solo stuff, etc... And maintain great relations with these bands. DC also grew SID, the strongest VK band there has been in a very long time, and the only VK band that can consistently compete with pop acts in the charts. SID and other acts never really strayed from VK (they just did the whole Mousou Nikki collab and gave so much to VK bands), and have always done whatever they wanted to do music-wise. SID never followed trends, they make all sorts of music with different influences and sounds. And what is DC`s history with anime songs? Some of their bands do, some don`t. DIV and UNiTE could have done many by now, Giru could do many more than they do, but they dont. As for being forced to keep pumping out material, I dont think there is any proof, and all DIV releases have seemingly been set when songs were already done. When they announced POV, the songs were already made. UNiTE certainly hasnt been forced to put out material, Girugamesh took as long of a hiatus as they wanted, D.I.D. really takes their time, Alsdead were given what seemed like all the time in the world for their releases. I dont think it can be accepted that they just make a lot of music. As for quality itself, again, not seeing what dropped out in terms of composition, lyrics, production, even album art etc... They all seem to be at the same standard? As for saying the label just pumps out whatever is popular... I don`t see this as holding any weight either. I can take any band from any label and say something like: `Oh VAMPS are only on the label because vampires became popular after Twilight` or `Oh, Takeru is dressing more hip-hop in this PV because K-Pop is popular`. In the end these claims are complete rhetoric that can not be proven either way, and it makes no sense that the biggest `Indie`label, that has always grown their acts, and has a long list of acts that did not change to fit styles, is trying to fit in with the trends of less successful labels in an industry that doesn`t make much money anyway. Btw what is UNiTE trying to be? They are the labels second most popular Ft act atm, and I dont see them copying any trends or sounding like anyone else. And Girugamesh has always been very popular, they were, and still are one of the top ten most requested Japanese bands outside of Japan, and could go to any other label or a full blown major label if they wanted, why dont they? As for D.I.D., Alsdead etc... They aren`t very popular when it comes down to it, they could take other bands that would appeal more to fangirls and exploit them but they dont, instead they are growing good bands and have a label based around great bands instead of just good-looking bishounen. The only reason Kameleo really makes money is all the stuff they sell at lives like the lights, etc... Which were the vocalists idea. What they have now is a great and diverse line-up of bands that can mesh without overlapping, and none of the bands so far are moving away from VK, I`m not seeing the issue or how they can be described as such a label, they seem to be the best. Let`s wait until the second album to see if they really `dropped in quality`, as before the first they came out with Golden Kinema and Taste of Life, two very different tracks with a mix of different B-Sides that some people said the same things about. Thanks for reading.

Two-Year Anniversary, very strong venue. They have what, 50 songs already, enough to put together 4 albums with. Impressive band and management. Not to keep going on and on about them, but man, I am inspired. Capacity is 2000 for this venue btw. Not sure if their setup changed that, but that is the base.

Ah, I know Texas can have many hard@sses but I have good memories since there are many friends and nice ppl in Austin. There is a place called 9th street, basically everyone digs 'trails' for bike riding, and I can go there and meet many people who are different. The only thing is that the rule is, if you ride the trails, you have to help dig... if you dont, people will either kick you out or beat you up and some people have gotten hit by shovels before.

Hello, I like your positive, outgoing attitude. Nice to meet you, hope you have fun here.

Cool, I am not sure how it is off topic but I want to say I also like news of this nature. I will be checking this place out if I have time to visit the area.

Holy #@#?@) MuCC and SID on my birthday? This is gonna be SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCK!

Thanks, I guess the terminology of 'indie stores' threw me off, cdjapan also told me I will get that track.

So where can you order from out of country to get the acoustic track?

It gets better and better with every listen. Definitely loving it now, cant wait to get the cd and blast it.

It's good, the production is really well done, nice guitar, I like the chorus and the sound of it too.

9/10 Always liked that one, only reason I detracted a point is just because.

Cool tune, I hate to be negative, but I feel like the tune needed a runaway guitar solo that shreds instead of that flat elctronic breakdown, which I am tired of tbh. If it had a real solo it would go down a lot better with me, but that's just my take.

They are doing good in popularity. Third most popular on their label's FT roster, decent live houses, succesful consecutive releases, very high visibilty, high media demand from the VK side. If they keep going they will definitely fill a venue like that one day, they are ahead of the majority of VK bands in that point of the lifecycle terms of growth by the looks of it, considering they have one album only. That is a huge venue btw, check out the dimensions of the stage. Look at how much the budget in things such as PV's has grown btw. As for the single's sound, I wouldnt be too worried, they have always been experimental (their sound didnt change after Taste of Life of Golden Kinema which were very different). Also all members compose, so songs come out different naturally. I think Zero One will still be their base sound, and they will branch out from there but stay rooted. That is just my two cents though. I enjoy the song and pv btw. I wish they used a Japanese dude or.something but whatever that is just my personal feeling.

Cool. I like you already. Looking forward to seeing you around, there are a lot of cool people here, hope you have fun posting! Nice musical tastes too.

Please share if you know of an album that came out recently with the tonic and sonic depth as well as instrumental range of Sug's last album, or something that comes close to the sound of their last single's leading track. If you want to enlighten me via PM it would be my pleasure to check out the music which you speak of. But in any case I am just sharing my opinion.

I think it is very cool. Like the funeral, and their look, song is nice too, lyrics are interesting. 暁歌水月 is a pain to type though!

If this was in some kind of R&B context sure, but this is far from typical in a VK context which is what they are playing with. Tacky to me in VK would be more like : 死ヌ切ノ病ム or HIKARI NO YUME NO MUGEN NO DISCOBALL NO TSUKI NO TSUBASA。 Their music is some of the most creative and original coming out today IMO, I am looking forward to this.