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Maybe I'll have time today~~

'feucht' für 'moist' ist schon richtig, allerdings klingt 'völlig feucht' für etwas zu essen eher negativ. XD Ich denke im kulinarischen Kontext benutzt man eher 'saftig'...?
Oha, es gibt auch ein Curry 76?
Hier gab es auch mal ein Curry [Nummer die ich vergessen habe] und Curry 36 hat sie verklagt. D:

I can totally relate to seikun with the "unique sound" thing.
But we have actually talked about this already in a few threads, I stated my opinion about it earlier here.
I know a lot of people (such as miyuu) will disagree with my stance on this. It is correct that old bands wanted to get their hands on girls and money too- but there is still a difference in having a vk idol who looks like a crazy fucking deliquent or idiot or having a vk idol who looks like a beautiful host boy.
I am one of those people who sees old visual kei as it's very own thing, while modern visual kei has become something entirely different. Visual kei today has it's origin in the early 2000s pile of mediocre indies band thing and you can still hear a bit the influences of these band's and older visual kei, such as Luna Sea or Kuroyume, but overall the modern Vk phenomenom doesn't share that much with the older bands. Both the music and fashion were very different, let alone the concept. When in old visual kei it was more about being rebellious, punx and radical today's visual kei is more about being fashionable, beautiful or about coolness. And while older visual kei was regarded odd, strange and maybe even dangerous, modern visual kei is part of the japanese mainstream. It's still not really accepted and people dressing up visual kei are still regarded as weirdos, but there is much more acceptance and the fashion is part of japanese capitalistic fashion industry.
I am not saying, that old visual kei bands really ended up being so radical and different and anti-mainstream, because they didn't. And I mostly base my argument on Kaorus and Sigizos opinion on modern visual kei-both have the same feeling about modern visual kei having a totally different "ideology" which surrounds more about fashion and clothes. And he also feels that visual kei will drastically change to a point it can't be called visual kei anymore. It's also interesting that both are indicating that modern visual kei bands don't express themselves anymore as musicians.
Of course their opinion is very subjective, but they have been members of two very well known and big visual kei bands. And maybe the "being different and rebellious" is true- but obviously more for the early and first visual kei bands and not for those copycats, that followed afterwards.

I personally consider old visual kei to be more creative and exciting than new visual kei. And I also consider it to be an actual genre- mainly because bands from the 80s to the mid and late 90s shared a lot of musical elments. Even when a band from the 80s would sound very different than a Matina band from 1998, you can still hear and see the connection.
There have been as much terrible bands in the 90s as today- but at least I do tolerate old horrible bands more than neo Vk horrible bands. Though I think it is hard to compare their levels of terribleness because of how different the indies bands of these two eras sound.

I am honest though with my "kote kei elitism". I've got into groups like Moi dix Mois, D'espairsray and Dir en grey first so I was actually more in the 2003-2005 years of visual kei. It was easy then for me to go back in time and find a liking to older bands- but I couldn't get into any new band after 2006. I was and am still too fond of the wannabe-edgy fake-goffick punk sound and look I learned to know from Mana, Kyo, Hisui and others and the mass of oshare or brightly cute and try-hard to be sexy bands just didn't appeal to me- let alone, that I can't stand Metalcore, new-modern Emo and cheesy Electro-Rock and in conclusion I have a big issue with all this "neo Visual kei" thing. There are only a few vk bands from today I like and I am not denying that I am very prejudiced about new bands.

Like others have said, I miss old school's outfits (as I like their ridiculous hairstyles, the unbearable amount of make up, the cross dressing, the "edgy" clothes) and I miss especially the darker indie bands. As crappy as they have been, their mix of gothic (even though a lot of "hardcore-goffs" try hard to prove that old schhol visual kei has no goth in it), punk, metal and glam created the crazy sound of screeching, hypnotic, flanging guitars, with a prominent bass (an underrated Instrument I love but rarely plays an important role in neo vk or modern pop music in general), fast drumming and of course the out of tune singing, which pendles between  (lovely) crappiness, horribleness or complete insanity. I also miss the "mental insanity" topic too. I just love when the vocalist loses his mind during a song and screams, mourns and moans like an idiot. It's super cheesy, but I like it. (seriously: neo vk is also very very cheesy. Just in different ways than the old vk bands.)
I have no problem with being stuck in the past. I enjoy listening to the old bands and there have been enough artists that I can listen to and never get tired. I can understand why some old school lovers are so frustrated about modern visual kei though. I wish there would be more Kote kei bands and that it would be more known and popular. I'd wish to talk with people who like visual kei about old bands and not get a blank stare when I mention Raphael or Malice Mizer.

I am afraid we will probably never come into terms. As Arithmetica said, it is hard to define old or new visual kei. We can see their differences though, but it is not easy to say that music of this era was more deep and musically better than another. Modern Vk too has surely great artists too- it is then a matter of taste what you will like or what bands you can relate to.

@jduv86 I am not really good when it comes to give recommendations, but I try.
Now it depends what kind of music you lean towards and what genres you would be willing to like or try out. But as you seem to like "heavier" bands I would suggest the more Metal-ish or Punk-rock bands, such as Mist of Rouge, Vasalla, Velladonna, Antique Doll, The Piass, AION (okay, they might be or not vk but I will list them though) and of course Madeth gray'll.
Other bands I will recommend to check out are ROUAGE, Laputa, Luna Sea, D'erlanger, La' Mule, Aliene Ma'riage, Baiser, Deshabillz, Mirage, 90s penicillin and Pierrot.
 

Too many things come to mind...
 
-labels/bands putting lots of time into the production of personal message videos in santa costumes instead of visiting a recording studio. Then wondering why they only have face-fans.
 
-old indies who somehow thought it would be a great idea to never actually release the live-footage they were constantly filming but instead put some recorded track over it and crop it to 2 minutes.
 
-people listening to the angsty suicide/rape/drugs/failing at life songs of visual kei bands, then assuming those artists must be totally emotionally stable and professional. Then wonder/ get angry when somebody does something stupid.
 
-western fans totally ignoring the japanese fanbase or making really weird generalizations about it and acting like vk was actually for them. Like.. a band tours all year and works very hard to promote themselves and everybody complaining why "they didn't do shit for a year".
 
-kiyoharu doing *the tongue* every 20 seconds.
 
...

I often wish there was something like a visual band scene in my city. Not fantastic musicians who look like they stepped from magazines, but just generally some people who enjoy playing and attending that kind of live show. I'm pretty sure that once something like that exists the music will evolve by itself, become interesting and more than just a cheap weeaboo-copy of the original.
For almost any other genre things work like that naturally. When british punk became popular in the 70s suddenly fans all over the world formed bands who tried to be like the sex pistols or whoever and in the beginnig they were propably not as good. they played anyway because it was fun.
Just v-rock is different and somehow that is really sad. There are lots of international fans and many of them idolize some bandguy, many dress up 'visual' and actually look good, many even play an instrument... but only very, very few people go and form a band or at least support others who do so.
And that is because the fans themselves suddenly have unrealistic standards when it comes to judging bands from their own country.
Why shouldn't they sing in whatever language they want? Of course it's best if you actually understand what you're singing and in the end you won't get popular when your lyrics suck but... I've often heard people cover songs from another country and it sounded really good. or cute/funny when it wasn't so good.
Same about the styling.
Non-japanese people can look just as cool in this type of make-up/costume if they find the right style and develop the skills. But most people (especially guys of course) need some time to learn these things. Especially when there is no established scene in their country and they just can't go and ask a friend, like japanese bandmen starting out propably can.
And about the nickname.. who cares, really.
Sorry for the rant but damn. Where is the love and peace in music when it comes to this fandom.

@Peace Heavy: Well that's what they said, but I just doubt it. I also doubt it was because of Masatos health (he wasn't taking the band serious anyway and they could have done everything with their support who is actually better.) I mean. When they decided to release that album it was to be a La'Mule reunion. Then it changed to a NightingeilxLa'Mule band, then it changed to CELL. It was just all a bit complicated and Masatos problem came handy... that's what I think.
But that doesn't mean they won't release an album sometime. They will for sure, but with different songs.
 
Anyway.
Setlist for the chi to houtai oneman on April 13th
 
01 Curse/La'Mule
02 溺れた奇形(oboreta kikei)/La'Mule
03 情景ノ都(joukei no miyako)/La'Mule
04 life.life.life/La'Mule
05 Plant/La'Mule
06 吊り下げの恋(tsurisage no koi)/NightingeiL
07 inspire/La'Mule
08 爛(ran)/La'Mule
09 Vo. solo
10 一日の孤独 百年の孤独(ichinichi no kodoku hyakunen no kodoku)/La'Mule
11 月ト影(tsuki to kage)/La'Mule
12 結び目(musubime)/La'Mule
13 Sterilization/La'Mule
14 Lepra/La'Mule
15 ウサギの罪(usagi no tsumi)/La'Mule
16 12秒間(12byoukan)/NightingeiL
17 cry in past/La'Mule
18 壇場の棘(danjou no toge)/CELL
19 ナイフ(knife)/La'Mule
 
Seems more like a La'Mule last live memorial. And 壇場の棘 is so out of place.
I'll just go cry in a corner. They should make THIS a dvd.

The similarities are indeed hard to ignore. D:
 
 
....
This is me as a functional part of society:

 
this is me being superduper oldschool:

At their upcoming 血と包帯(chi to houtai) oneman at 4/13 CELL will prerelease two new items.
 
-DVD single containing the PV for "危険な私(kiken na watashi)", 1500yen　-official release will be in may.
 
-LIVE DVD "最後、潰した言葉(saigo, tsubushita kotoba)" containing footage (uncut, including MC etc) from their tour final on 12/12/07, 5000yen. Their is no official release date for this yet, but it will be limited.

I often wish there was something like a visual band scene in my city. Not fantastic musicians who look like they stepped from magazines, but just generally some people who enjoy playing and attending that kind of live show. I'm pretty sure that once something like that exists the music will evolve by itself, become interesting and more than just a cheap weeaboo-copy of the original.
For almost any other genre things work like that naturally. When british punk became popular in the 70s suddenly fans all over the world formed bands who tried to be like the sex pistols or whoever and in the beginnig they were propably not as good. they played anyway because it was fun.
Just v-rock is different and somehow that is really sad. There are lots of international fans and many of them idolize some bandguy, many dress up 'visual' and actually look good, many even play an instrument... but only very, very few people go and form a band or at least support others who do so.
And that is because the fans themselves suddenly have unrealistic standards when it comes to judging bands from their own country.
Why shouldn't they sing in whatever language they want? Of course it's best if you actually understand what you're singing and in the end you won't get popular when your lyrics suck but... I've often heard people cover songs from another country and it sounded really good. or cute/funny when it wasn't so good.
Same about the styling.
Non-japanese people can look just as cool in this type of make-up/costume if they find the right style and develop the skills. But most people (especially guys of course) need some time to learn these things. Especially when there is no established scene in their country and they just can't go and ask a friend, like japanese bandmen starting out propably can.
And about the nickname.. who cares, really.
Sorry for the rant but damn. Where is the love and peace in music when it comes to this fandom.