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Be careful here. Hindsight is 20/20. it's easy to say that the visual music from the 90's is better than today's music because only the best of the best have survived over time. I can guarantee you that there are just as many crappy visual kei bands now as there were then - there was just no outlet to hear about them. Many of these crappy bands have been lost to time, and some of the good ones too. It only seems different because the Internet allows us to find out about virtually any band that forms within the last few months. We are now barraged with more information than ever before. It's not the scene that's changed, but just your perception of it.

And for the record, the whole "90's VK scene" was fraught with as many faux-goth bands then as the scene today is filled with metalcore bands that like electronic effects. It's a challenge to find good artists doing something different no matter what genre you listen to, no matter what time it comes from.

i agree with this

i'm bored so i'm gonna be random and say my long opinion. sooory for my long post .i think i should write this in the other thread.i think i 'm out subject sorry.

to be honest i love some of the new bands but it's getting harder and harder to find new bands that i like.

i totally agree with zess. when we live in it  ,it's very difficult to see which bands will be great and will be remembered from your own era ,the moment you live in it.

but i try to think who may be the next great thing and seriously i can't find.

who from the new bands has the power to be as influencial and succesful and be loved and remembered,

even change things, the way deg or xjapan or kiyoharu or luna sea  did etc

i  don't even listen to all of that. but seems every band talks about them and has been influenced.

for example  personally in 2013 i try to find a band that make songs at the same level as deg.

and i can't find anyone. (the irony when almost everyone is copying them. influenced by them.)

even though i love some of the new bands.

and wouldn't it be ideal if  this era had  like 20 new bands at deg's level to choose from.

and there isn't anyone

(also i didn't mean only from the 90's .when i said it feels everything is getting worse. is because from 2008 ,most of the bands that existed then are getting  worse. it's not onlythe deaths and the disbandments , the new bands they make and the new music they make in comparison with the older  they had is disappointing.

example vidoll,phantasmagoria,deluhi,mucc, girugamesh, lynch ,i hear people

say that for the gazette too, satsuki, all psc bands etc .from l'arc en ciel we went to vamps)

and i don't think it's because of nostalgia, if something great was going on now

people would say it)

but maybe new people that get to vkei now can't see that at all. and it doesn't matter.

to be honest i don't even care anymore i am kinda happy with my new bands lately.

i just can't find many new bands that i like,i like only very very few 

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i remember how excited was everyone with deluhi

i think kiryu are unique and one of the better bands but don't have the power to be the next great thing

and kameleo and futurizm boyz maybe are cute but seriously...

about mejibray i hear often. i actually like them. i think they are very commercial (but in a rock way, not mainstream) and that's a talend. seems that they are really trying.maybe they'll have success if they don't disband.

their songs are pretty cool but they are not amazing enough.

@Sakura Seven said about

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The bands that ARE doing interesting things tend to get ignored, especially overseas. Usually in favor of garbage.

See: Swallowtail, emmuree, Moran, amber gris, Dolly

honestly i don't see the power there to move emotionally crowds. be realistic.

they are not good enough

↑ i listen to rock mostly my whole life too but not the same bands. you always find new bands. slightly different genres.

i agree with the above.

anyway there are 3 ways to judge

1) someone has good voice , has talent

2) has good singing technique / knows how to sing correctly ( you may have voice but don't sing correctly so it sounds funny)

3) personal taste in voice

for example you may not like tatsuro's voice but noone can say he doesn't have voice/talent or he doesn't know how to use his voice .

i am gonna say examples about people i like because the people i don't like are so many i don't know where to start.

i like very much oz music but i hate natsuki's high voice so much. it annoys me. I HATE IT.

but the lower voice has so much awesomness. i am amazed. seriously amazed.

so i think he knows how to sing correctly although he doesn't have such a good voice

kouki from d=out i think his voice is awful but he also knows how to sing correctly probably

(you may don't have a good voice but if you know how to sing correctly the song can be listenable)

my superband

1) i want 3 lyricists : kyo , satsuki but only from res days , and atsushi sakurai

2) i want music from deg  & res (more deg though)

(note but i want more songs before uroboros)

3) i want 2 vocalists
the one with sexier  lower tone voice like hizumi or otogi etc you get the point
the other one like kyo etc
 

4) i hate satsuki personality especially now, i don't admire him
i want personalities from indies bands / not major bands
 

5) and i want them to have more nagoya kei clothes and make up ,styling
or even better deg from Blitz 5 Days or code of vulgarism styling

.. Perhaps also stop and realize that the awful tuning was intentional to build atmosphere to the song?

 

Music is subjective and a lot of times some people try to use critiquing as a way to try and push their personal opinion as fact.

lmao.

but i agree in a weird way.i'm thinking punk rock for example suck at quality but is about revolution . who says is not art

you still can be a critic. since you can understand the difference between what is objectively good

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I've been listening to visual kei for a little over 3 years now. Honestly, I can't even bare to listen to any of the stuff any more asides from my favourites. A lot of the music now is either not my cup of tea or have become so formulaic and predictable. I don't want to even try because most often as soon as the singing kicks in, I'm already turned off by the awful vocals. Visual Kei vocals are just bad in general imo. But for some reason I keep trying to find something new that will click with me because of how much I love my favourite bands that have now either disbanded or changed so much.

Anyone else feel this way? I listen lots of things other than vk, but they never quite had the same effect. I guess I'm just lookin' to feel incredibly hooked with music again. But vk music or not, I'm listening to new things all the time and still getting bored so fast. Sometimes I'm wondering if I'm just bored with music altogether?? T__T Seriously, what is life without music!

first of all if you are 15 or a teenager is definitely a phase.i don't know anyone who still listens the same music from their teenage years seriously.

what is a phase

if you listen for years it's not a phase but music taste evolves you can't listen forever the same, at some point everyone changes.

i think the phase is liking every crappy visual kei band that exists just for the sake of being visual kei . at some point you get more selective and choose only what fits you. and sadly this may end up to be very few bands

edit: also the above post i think is more about if visual kei is dying/changing and the quality of the bands today. because you didn't stop loving vkei /you just can't find anymore bands that fit you.

maybe others don't see it but the way the singer moves he reminds me old kyo.

i was thinking this also  from their previous pv preview long time ago but didn't say it then.

Maybe, for overseas fans.

Visual kei were always like this, there are a few supergroups who shape the trends, music and image, and there are countless underground bands, just like it was in the 90s.

We used to have LUNA SEA, and now, unfortunatelly we have gazette.

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this is so true.

yes it's not dead because there are new bands but

i think the quality of the bands are way lower compared to older times. there are less good bands , i mean in a more artistic or creative point of view compared to older times. (music - lyrics- clothes/stage performance)

even bands that used to be good,now starting to go bad, or disbanded or died or changing genres.

i don't know if it's just my taste in music or maybe "the past always seems better" feeling but i am trying to be objective! what do you think

i don't get it how people vote.do you mean you find zombies pretty, attractive and interesting or you just like the movies better LOL

i voted for vampires. i hate Twilight it does ruin them so much.i try to forget it when i voted. and the movie in first post is awesome with the zombies. but still i find vampires more interesting and attractive to watch

omg i just have to say i am laughing with tsuzuku's singing in 呼吸

but that's a good thing because it's not a song i'll think well that's so much crap and throw it and forget it.

this is classic funny for me.

the other two songs i like them! are pretty good. (well not anything amazing for me but pretty good!)

D.E.INCUBUS is my favorite

^ this

1. i don't care if you call me weird ,but i just want to go to a shop and buy a fucking cd i like without having to order it from internet. and go to lives of bands i like. it's frustrating sometimes that i can't.

2. i think they are very pretty and you can be upset about it but i am just being honsest when i say i find them more pretty than many other people from other countries , so i would like looking like them. but i don't have a problem staying as i am now.because i think anyone who is obsessing over changing

an impossible thing like this is sick and need help

3. i don't like living in my country. if i have a chance to leave for somewhere else better ,i would in a second! so i would want to live in america or japan. i wish for this

4. i love the language, i wish i could speak fluently. without having to find money to pay for lessons

sorry if this shouldn't be in this thread but in deg's generall thread.

i am bored and i can't sleep so here is my random & long opinion.

to be honest i agree with @Rosà

maybe i need to listen it more times but i got disappointed and frustrated and didn't listen it again / i didn't listen to it no more than very few times.

the high singing annoys me in 輪郭

the constant growls annoy me too in 霧と繭

these are not songs that i would listen on repeat and love so much as older songs they have.but i love the very few seconds he actually sings in 霧と繭.so awesome. i can have only that on repeat but is very few.

well i have some hope because i hated with passion lotus but i found some songs that i liked in dss.

also i like the lyrics and i am gonna try to listen again to this song just because of that.

(i really like their current style in looks btw. especially for kyo. and me liking or noticing their latest looks is so rare)

i don't like experimental or progressive and i am so sad because they used to be a band that i liked 90% of their songs even in moab ! i love moab! and now this doesn't happen anymore. i love nu metal or death metal etc but i can't deal with too much experiments.

and if you are thinking then why the hell i don't stop listening to them. yes few times

i wanted to stop listening to them but there are no new bands that can come any closer to the awesomness of some of their songs for me.

so i am sadly left with no choice.

i they were better new bands i would probably had stop listening to them by now and move on.

i wonder if fans just react in everything they do like is something so awesome just because they are dir en grey. and they are famous and highly regarded.

and if they were a new band they would have a different reaction. more pure opinion.

i guess that's the prize and price for being famous and looked up to, respected.

i wish they would end up eventually in something i would be more ok with. not like the past (i personally hate Clinging in the past) but maybe more metal

santa klaus ist tot avatars.. hahaha you guys lol

i haven't voted. the difference is so big that it doesn't matter lol.

plus i don't listen much to any of them

although i find kamijo way more attractive than asagi!! but i'll try to be objective lol.

i have listened more songs from D. i prefer their songs. i think asagi has a better voice, well when he is not doing funny high pitched voice or something that annoys me and can't seriously listen to it but i am laughing.

also D's clothes amusing me more.

* edit:i can't decide what to vote just because of kamijo. it's like an illogical bias.

so i voted for lynch some time ago. i'm gonna say the same thing as others.

although i like deathgaze style lately and i have tried to listen to them few times i find

none of their songs stands out really. so they are boring for me.

i am very disappointed with lynch last albums but their older albums had many songs that stand out

and were pretty awesome.

is there anywhere translated the interview with kyo and shinya? ?

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Dir en grey is literally the only good band playing on that festival holy shit so much "I'm 13 years old and I just discovered rock music"-core wow

who do you think deg is to people who don't know vkei, equal to sepultura or something?

they used to be the king of vkei but when they decided to do something else and left it, the price was now they have to start lower .

there is a saying that i don't remember how it goes exactly but when i see this thread about gazette and deg, everytime i think about it.

what is better to be the king in a village or noone in the big city(something like this)

but you can eat food and still be a lovely person. (plus eating disorders are off topic and you can have them with healthy food too.)

alchohol and drug addiction turn people to assholes that can hurt people around them.

smoke affects the person next to you too. so it's not just about you.

anyway any addiction gives less freedom in your life.

anything that you can't live without.

it's so wonderful, until you want to stop and you can't

maybe she hates yaoi. but yaoi fans have this thing when they are very jealous over other females but not jealous over guys. so maybe she wants to be the only girl in your life but doesn't care about you sleeping or being friends with other guys .

but this can be applied in both romantic or only friendly relations

i don't know if she wants more than frienship. but since you slept together it must be something more.

but that doesn't mean she is crazy in love with you.or more in love with you than her boyfriend. that noone can tell .except her and maybe you can understand that if you know her well.

(at least i can't tell only from what you described)

but why do you ask? do you want more from her or just curiousity.

maybe she is feeling unsecure to have a serious relationship with you or doesn't see it as an option if she feels you are more attracted to guys.

i agree with @*りりこ*

i can totally understand when people like both!!

what i don't like and i think fake is when someone forget completly rock and go to pop

yeah sure kpop and vkei both have to do with fangirling but

i can't believe that someone who honestly likes rock sounds can forget them so easily and

only listens to pop.

he might change genres to non-vk or pop rock growing up etc but not only pop. at least so easy as these fans do.

i think those people were in it only for the looks from the beggining, never for the music

(also even about appearance. how can someone who admire rock looks suddenly like pop culture.

there is a difference in culture and styling. unless you just go for the hot guy whatever he wears)

yup, Haru (vo) from DOG is 158 cm and has a "huge" voice and quite a personality. yet after a while when Kanna (dr) joined the band, Haru seemed to kinda have "calmed down" (Kanna is around 5 cm shorter than Haru, he's really petite).

Yet it's somehow the general psychology thing, men need to feel "strong and dominating" and sometimes they feel "weak and dominated" when they're the shortest in the crowd, so they try to replace the feeling of domination their height would normally give them. Same goes for short girls which I don't really understand (I don't like being tall, especially when I'm around asian men I'm always taller than most of them and I'm just around 167).

(I hope everyone understands that I'm not trying to be anyhow sexist (in a "know your place" kinda way), I'm just talking about the deep natural instincts and male and female in their natural "roles".)

(i don't know about haru but generally)

hey i agree because

about the natural instincts

i have seen guys that although shorter and so cute ,

they give off this power and intensity and strong attitude

and although cute , they seem more manly

and way more attactive than a tall "weak" guy

i am saying this for many shorter singers i have seen in lives xD

in society standards

i don't think if you are a girl you have so much problem

it's cute until 150 cm and you can always wear heels

for guys it looks bad if you are under 160 cm ,unless you are a girly jrocker