lichtlune 915 Posted March 22, 2013 Owld skewl kote kei was also just a forced cliche and what was popular back then. The crap that's going around now is also just what is popular and in another decade VK will probably be a totally different monster and the fans of what VK is now, will be like the kote kei fans complaining that VK isn't the same anymore. It's not that we don't like conversation here, you're just mad that not everyone is agreeing with your opinion. I like old 90s visual kei and not a fan of current VK but you gotta be realistic. meh i don't only listen to kote kei though and i don't care if its realistic or not anyway its not a big deal i rant a lot so sorry and i am not complaining that everyone doesn't agree with me and i am not expecting them to be but i don't understand personally how anyone could consider this type of music as quality but whatever. i know I'm a little biased over old school bands too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lichtlune 915 Posted March 22, 2013 Arithmetica pretty much summarized it. Being all electro and colorful is today's VK's thing. If you don't like it, that's alright, but it isn't any less inspiring or any less unique than what kotekote bands were compared to each other. And to clear things up again: I don't like BFN. I wanna like them, because I'm a huge Vidoll fan and used to be even more huge Rame fan. So I'm not really defending this band, and whatever you say can't possibly make me feel butthurt because I know well enough how much BFN sucks ass. Yet, I think there are certainly worse bands than BFN, and one of them is Xodiack. Because Eros is as much of a greedy little bastard as anyone. Like you might know, Xodiack didn't sell too well (why that might be, I don't know. I mean, they were so great! *sarcasm*). Whereas you think this type of music isn't mature, I think it's as mature as music can get. It's about being flexible and admitting to one self that you can't always stick with your ideals and do everything and everything alone what appeals fun to you. If you wanna live on music, you gotta need to do something that sells. And obviously, Xodiack didn't and didn't even have a chance to. So Eros went to a band where he could do something he likes, not at least hate what he does and be actually able to earn some pocket money. It's that simple. That's why people that "used to make great, inspiring, original, unique music" tend to go to "shitty sell-out bands". Because shitty sell-out bands sell better. :'D I already admitted xodiack wasn't a great band i will say that in my opinion Genocide Suicide is still much better than anything Black Gene has done at this point... i don't care what sells i just want some quality music for once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lichtlune 915 Posted March 22, 2013 This, sadly. Discussion and conversations are welcome as long as it doesn't result into public fighting. Also, if you're directing this message at the staff, don't tell me you're still mad about that warning we gave you three months ago. Anyway, back on track: I don't like BFN, never have. BFN falls into that category of new, modern VK bands that I do not care for musically, but I'm not going to complain about the new wave of VK not being to my preference. That's just how it is, and that's how it will be in a few years, when the fans of this decade of VK will complain how much it has changed and how they don't like it. I will just leave their fans be and people who want to enjoy their music should do just that. I agree with Arithmetica, this is what's "in" and popular now, so it's only logical newer bands like BFN will try to incorporate it into their music. If it's popular, they might actually get some fans and publicity, it makes sense. Even if you don't like it personally. I never received any warning from what i can tell? I don't have a reason to if you did give me one as far as I'm concerned. I don't see much wrong with ranting a little bit about it its not like I'm insulting anyone here. You people just get so overly concerned about what i believe in like "Oh he's just ranting on about the old days blargh blah" i mean if it bothers you that much ignoring me is an option and its not just old school bands either. though i wish bands would do what's right for them and not what's "In" so much its not like you can't build a fan base of some kind doing your own thing. and that's all i want and i would respect black gene a lot more if it wasn't a money grab project and they all genuinely enjoyed this type of music but i know they're all capable of a lot more just saying. but whatever i guess i live in fantasy land and it can't be the way i want it so be it. although many share my opinion about the scene at least about some things we could all agree on and maybe this is the wrong thread to complain about it here... i write a lot and maybe that's why i annoy people so much i guess, but its who i am. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bread Wolf 231 Posted March 23, 2013 i write a lot and maybe that's why i annoy people so much i guess, but its who i am. I don't think you're actually annoying anyone here. We just don't agree with what you say and point out some weaknesses in your arguments. That's called a conversation, you know. If you think all people who disagree with you and wanna point that out are annoyed with you, you're gonna have bad time there, buddy. To me it rather seems like you're annoyed and defensive because some many people came to oppose your views. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikna 1225 Posted March 23, 2013 I think BFN being sell-outs or playing electro rock is not the main issue of people's complaints, but rather their lack of diversity in sound. The issue with those bands is, that you can listen to one single or one song and you already know how everything else they have released or are going to release sound too. And before the kote vs neo visual kei war starts: I am not denying, that this never has been an issue in visual kei, actually it is one of the biggest issues visual rock always had. Maybe the only difference is that back then bands never became known or popular enough to be able to pull this whole mainstream trend and money milking thing off (they rather disbanded beforehand).Early Xodiack for sure are crappy and horrible, but i personally think that they have become a way better and a decent band after their hiatus. And even the crappy era of Xodiack is sometimes very charming to listen to (well, I generally have nothing against unoriginal crap or kote bands). I just don't like this whole Electro rock mixed with Metalcore and Pop stuff. And it is a bit disappointing to realize that BFN are as bad as Xodiack with no progression at all- it is then the combination with trendy neo VK that make them totally horrible for me. I mean, their first single was actually very good, but everything that came afterwards just didn't appeal to me at all and their newest song combines all elements I find are the reason why I dislike todays VK.I guess for us kote kei elitists it is a bit sad to see Rame going from "dark" visual kei to poppy, funny dance songs (despite his personal progression). I think most of us are pissed that BFN didn't evolve the sound and style they have had with their first single and rather jumped on the "mainstream bandwagon". I can understand them somehow, Rame wants to make money (see the hand full of different single types) which is also a clear statement, that he doesn't care about his band being unique or diverse in sound. I personally still judge the band for being that obviously money greedy (please don't come with the "but you don't need to buy all types if you aren't a fan...). Yeah, my opinion on this. 1 Thedane reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lichtlune 915 Posted March 23, 2013 I don't think you're actually annoying anyone here. We just don't agree with what you say and point out some weaknesses in your arguments. That's called a conversation, you know. If you think all people who disagree with you and wanna point that out are annoyed with you, you're gonna have bad time there, buddy. To me it rather seems like you're annoyed and defensive because some many people came to oppose your views. How am i defensive? i don't care what others opinions are and they can think how they want i was just stating mine. i don't care if you agree with me or not black gene is crap to me and i can't take them serious is all if you disagree so be it i don't really care. I'll just dwell in the past and i know I'm biased a bit but oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
