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Nothing happens today at work atm, so time to shitpost some artz: Moar Madeth fanart, this time it's Izumi and Reika As you can see I really like purple... Random edgy VK dude inspired by good old D'espairsRay's looks Something older when I felt extra shite and in the mood of RIP Some sketch I like

Well, Rozz Williams (Christian Death) kinda did something similar back in the 80s/early 90s But this might just be a coincidence. Rozz had some sort of influence on VK though. I think there was an interview of Baiser's Yukari where he stated that he was very much into Alien Sex Fiend and Christian Death and some of VKs root sound and looks can be traced back to deathrock music and fashion. But Kiyoharu, Kon and Co. might have also come up with that stuff all by themselves.

Finnaly completeky moved into my flat. The last weeks I had to move everything by myself. Now I only need my cat to adapt to the new environment. Which, I fear, will take weeks....

^ @seikun well, there was this: According to their youtube channel they seem to have reformed (or at least played a few lives in the last years). Make of it what you will. It seems there were a lot of mexican or latina american "kote" bands, but I forgot all their names, because they truly weren't that remarkable, let alone relevant. Also this attempt at early 00s VK: But we actually had a thread about crappy foreign VK bands on here. It featured glorious shit like this atrocity: And this I feel is exactly what swede "kei" bands apparantly want to come back.

Maybe it's just me, but imo that whole sleaze rock and love"metal" thing was kinda lukewarm and suffered from the exact same symptoms as gaijin bands (lulzy make up, lame outfits and repetitive music). Funnily enough, a band who parodies that stuff as well as hair metal , Steel panther, is very enjoyable. Also Crashdiet were (or are? No longer following their activities, tbh) okay. I am however glad that that fad has already died out. When it comes to glam (and its relations to old VK), stuff á la Lou Reed, David Bowie, The Sweet, Roxy Music, T.Rex, Hanoi Rocks or (especially) the New York Dolls come to my mind. But that shite's already way too old and most people do not care about 60/70ss pre-punk glitter rock. People want their modern pop rock hooks (see sleaze rock) or metulcore (see contemporary VK). There is a reason why Bowie jumped the glam ship in the late 70s and why there are no true, classic glam bands around these days. It died out like many other styles of music. VK is rooted there, but imo it has evolved beyond being just "japanese glam". Especially considering how many other, different scenes have influenced it, such as New Wave, hardrock, (Hardcore) Punk, etc. The fault of most of these swede kei bands is actually that they look and sound more like Lovex & Co. or like mid 00s Myspace scene bands rather than VK bands.

Moving is so annoying. Especially when you have no car, don't want to use an expensive moving service and have to do it all on your own. In the last two weeks I was moving so many kilos of stuff I got muscle pain. Why do I have to have so many CDs and clothes… will take forever to get it all into my flat. At least I have my own place to live and I am finally all by myself. No longer weird stares when my mum peaks into my room while I dance to my shitty trash music or dress up

Also this: It's basically western (old) X Japan.

And I didn't mean to indicate that you have said they are the same. I am sorry if that came over as such. I was just trying to illustrate a possible reason for the lack of "heavy" bands in goth, especially in the current scene which is far more focused on recycling the 80s than 90s (which def had a few heavier bands, see Rosetta Stone, Catherines Cathedral, Angina Pectoris and even the Nephilim). Heavy isn't really what most people in the self proclaimed "trad goth" scene listen to and that is reflected by the playlists you see on the net and the styles of music new bands play. Was not stating it as a fact, that Samhain aren't a deathrock band, I said I FEEL they are more punk, which is my subjective opinion. Deathrock they are indeed, but they also mix a lot of other influences. They aren't a "pure" deathrock (as in that they only play straight deathrock) band in my own book, hence they also sound so different than any other bands of the genre. And that may be why you would likely not find something that truly compares to them. I also have to add that I am not very well versed with their disco (as well as the Misfits' and Danzig in general) and most of the people in my local goth and deathrock circle seem to prefer other bands, such Christian Death (very cliché, but what can you do since Rozz has reached icon status in the scene), the Screaming Dead, Burning Image and most of those "deathrock revival" bands (funnily enough, they all love Rudimentary Peni for some reason). My knowledge about Samhain may thus be limited, but you are always free to correct me (I did for example never listen completely to that album you posted). But all of that again reflects how much goffs don't curr about heavy stuff (and are rather stuck in the 80s). And my guess is, that you will likely find more bands of that style when you focus more on the metal and hardcore end of the music spectrum. Alaric for example I stumbled upon by mere accident, they were not supported or advertised by people I follow (who mostly listen to Joy Division clones), but by metal blogs. Do you people know the CVLT nation website? They write mostly about dark music, no matter the genre, inclding sections dedicated to deathrock, metal, post-punk, etc. In my experience their deathrock section features a whole lot more of these style cross-over bands. Such as these groups: Also maybe you don't know this yet; this album of the band is often labeled as Hardcore/deathrock. Not sure if these have already been mentioned in this thread: Pinkish Black, Anasazi, Rakta, Secta, Deathcharge, Deth Crux, Death Index ^These are all of the punkier and heavier bands I know the top of my head. Since I have already mentioned Alaric, there is also a band called Atriarch and they play doom metal mixed with deathrock influences. Also I recommend to check out bands from the blackened shoegaze/Blackgaze scene. There seems to be a recent trend there to combine blackgaze with doom metal and add hardcore (and deathrock) elements. Maybe this helps

interesting how in this discussion about gaijins imitatiing trve VKei no one has mentioned this guy before (who seems to split people's opinions just as much): Tbh, his look come a lot more closer to actual VK than most of the swede kei bands

^well, no wonder since goth rock and deathrock are not the same or as strongly affilated to hardrock or hardcore and historically most wavers and goths hated anything heavy or metal-ish. I also always felt that Samhain was more of a Horror Punk band that also happens to draw influence from deathrock, but isn't necessarily a pure deathrock band itself. Most of the current wave of post-punk groups are also imitating the more psychedelic and classic early 80s stuff. The heavier goth stuff was a product of the 90s, but maybe a 90s revival happens soon, who knows. You might however be lucky if you search for some goth inspired metal acts, such as groups similar to Lock Howl, Wailin Storms or Alaric. Jigsaw also posted a few suggestions and these are really the ones that come the closest to "goth and heavy". A few new songs:

Tss, these posers will NEVER be as cool as the trve Azalea:

^look at the date

H Y P E D

^hopefully fixed. No idea, why it stopped working.

This shit right here. Under Syndrome's Sleaver PV. A band using the manji/swastika because of religious reasons is understandable and nothing to debate about. But you really have to be a fool to overlook the obvious Nazi imagery when it's a friggin' swastika on a Nazi armbinder, which is even attached to a SS style unifrom/dress. And yeah, I am aware that bands did in fact use this as a way to shock. Doesn't excuse to say "It's certainly not having to do with Nazis at all!!!"

^reminds me a lot of "I understand Kyo better than he understands himself; also I am the only one in this world who truly understands his feelings and sufferings!!!!" *cough* Kareki *cough* and all the other "KYO SAMA IS MINE" people. And shit I have said too, since I am self-aware of being a snobby elitist ass and won't hide my distaste for untrve modern visual bleepcore ┐(︶▽︶)┌

As you already mention Kiyoharu, it's was probably Kuroyume who started it all. I am sure someone more well-versed with VK history can even state an earlier example of the Macabre/Eroguro imagery usage. But in the end most of 90s VK bands ripped off old Kuroyume in some form. With Dir en grey it's confirmed, as well as Laputa or any other Nagoya band whose bandmembers where Roadies for Kuroyume or played in cover session bands. But it's true that La'mule were far more influential and important for the late 90s scene as they are remembered. At least most oldschool VK loving japanese people I have come across have a very high opinion of the band. Wasn't the company that did La'Mule's PV the same that did PVs for other very important groups of that time (including Dir en grey)? That might explain the influence on modern bands' PVs. Also I feel it's a shame that their revival didn't last long and that CELL too disbanded before they even released a proper album. .___.

Agree, they are very cool! Some more old and obscurer stuff (and slightly more punk/deathrock: Arch Criminals - In the Shadow of a tree Brain Damage and Death - Jesus Christ Burning Image - Time is Running Out Actifed - Innocent Gloria Mundi - Glory of the World The Naked and the Dead - Taboo

20 min sketch of our edgelord and saviour, Hisui. Semi inspired by this awesome artist.

I agree… but knowing this is VK it's sadly going to stick, just how the "quadrillion types of one single instead of a full album" and the "we will disband unless xxx people show up at our lives!" bullshit has stuck.

Coincidence or homage?

Eye practice gone history of Visual kei's eye make-up: Top left is late 80s, bottom right is most recent. Not sure if I nailed it. I think I can only draw the old make up the best (because of my oldskewl bias) Then there is this dude: And two gay goffs

so, I uploaded the photoset from their thrid album here: https://goo.gl/photos/W86MpMvsfrG3rert9 Tell me if it doesn't work