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Kisaki is a legend, all hail Kisaki! I couldn't imagine that the guy from FAZ is 38. Maaaan, 38.

what's official?

You are welcome =)

1) They were getting several thousand views an hour with NO exposure on foreign websites, and zero-to-none exposure on Japanese social media. 2) As such, they got to 116k within 4 days, and the very first day they had at best 4k. There was a time period when they got around 20k within 3 (!!!) Hours. I dare you to find me anything on any social media that would bring them so much natural trafic. 3) After that, they gained 1.5k during 7 days-ish. Assuming that they naturally got 120k views within 4 days, it's impossible to have such a drastic fall in views. 4) Also, they had a very unnatural ratio of likes-to-views until they reached 100k - it was around 300-400 likes. Again, it's impossible to have such a small number of likes when you have natural trafic, unless you somehow get exposed to an audience that just doesn't care about your music to such a degree, that they don't even give you a dislike. 5) They are playing in such a niche genre, especially for visual kei, that they can't have that many fans even if you take all the bangyas and mitsus from D.I.D., Deviloof and Airish (which they have not that many of). So we can conclude that they bought the views - unnatural trafic, strange likes-to-views ratio, drastic fall of views, the fact that they don't have that many fans, the fact that they had almost zero exposure on the social media.

I don't think that people are necessarily hating on Deviloof and their music, they rather make fun of the fact that the only reason why Deviloof are so popular is because they became the most metal-ish group in j-rock (hint, hint). While I don't mind listening to them, they are the most generic deathcore band that you could find. Seriously, take Taiwanese, German, Russian, etc. deathcore bands - they are the same, more or less. But because J-rock is such a niche, and they had no one playing in such a genre - they became that popular purely because they are pioneers (a smart move, I have to admit). To me it seems that so many Deviloof fans don't know anything about other deathcore bands. Therefore, not liking Deviloof can also be an act of being objective towards the fact that they are just one of deathcore bands with nothing special (if we forget about one's tastes).

100k in two days. Four hours ago it was 85k. Can't believe it is legit. Kinda sad, tho, that the band seems to have bought the views. Regardless of how good they are, they didn't receive any coverage on any major website about music, and I doubt that they have so many mitsu and bangya to get that many views.

FUK you =D I just realized, man

Oh my god That's some amazing shit! Where's the source, btw?

wow, a jrock musician with solid English, just wow

Doesn't Sho play as a support for some post-hardcore band, too? Nice to see Hi-Na back.

Well, according to a Russian j-rock webiste, the lineup is as follows: Voice: 翼 / Tsubasa Guitar: 竜弥 / Ryuuya (Deviloof) Guitar: 烈 / Retsu (D.I.D.(roadie) → D.I.D.(support)) Bass (support): Haiji (Airish) Drums: 壱世 / Issei (沙耶(Saya) → HATED → Hervy → V-Family → Freesia → Neo → 2the DISCOLAND → D.I.D.) And it's also said that it initially was Issei's session band Michael (マイケル), but now it's official. If someone knows more about his session band, maybe we will learn more about this Tsubasa guy.

I suppose it's safe to assume that the band doesn't have any no-names due to two reasons: - Deviloof and D.I.D. members do have some influence in j-rock and connections, so some of their friends/collegues will gladly play with them; - regardless of the venue capacity, first live as a one-man - they do think that they can pull it off, so we can say that bangyas and mitsus of the other musicians will come, too.

It never ceases to amaze me to what lengths fans obsession could go. Never in my life do I want to have such obsessive friend/girlfriend near me -___-

Man, I gotta say it too - I am so impressed by their album. Their first PV was really good for me, but frankly I didn't expect that their album would be solid and interesting to listen to - after all, that's their first release, even though the lineup is interesting enough. The whole album is consistent, was interesting to listen to. While I don't really remember any of the songs from the first listen that I had, it was a nice experience. Gonna listen more to it, definitely one of the best releases for me.

Good luck with that. Precisely because of such tactics I wish for this band to disband.

Regarding them being unknown - according to vkdb they've been around since 1999. The first PV that I noticed is from 2009. So yeah, U = unpopular. Kinda sad, tho.

It seems like there are two new songs on each of CDs, am I correct?

Lol, totally expected. One guitarist left them a while ago, they are no signed for any label, no releases, comeback of Lolita23q - what else to expect?

Looking at it from this perspective, I could have phrased the topic differently. But precisely, because it is a Japanese music forum, the topic and question are phrased the way they are. If it had been a deathcore/k-pop/etc forum, one might assume that the discussion/topic name/question would have been the same but with the specification (deathcore listeners, FPS fans, etc.). And regarding biases - it has been pointed out by me and other participants that such biases exist everywhere in every music genre/movie genre/game genre. So yeah =) We would see the same biases =)

Yep, true that. There are so many examples when artists with music that wasn't complex were not only famous, but also became icons. Like Viktor Tsoi - almost anyone can play all the songs he wrote, yet, he was the voice of the generation. And it also ties up with what you said about the "incredibly complex web of factors" - precisely because of this web of factors he became such an icon. So yeah, I have to agree with the logic in your reply.

Carmelzors >> that's the video I wanted to put in my previous reply, thanks for posting it here. Regarding everything else that you say - 100% agree.

Nyasagi - that's the reason why I wrote "hypocricy" with quotation marks and asked a question without claiming that my opinion is correct, and without insulting anyone. We all can enjoy whatever we want, but the point I was making is that certain listeners of any genre sometimes tend to glorify what they listen to, when, objectively speaking, even from a technical side their favourites are mediocre. It's like me arguing that what I listen to is "good" music, whereas what you listen to is "bad" music. And yes, I did hear some interesting perspectives here that I haven't thought about, such as a look at music from a perspective of pronounciation. Regarding japanese bands having a specific sound - yes, I agree with you, but I assume one can make such a claim about almost any country's music, be it Russian, Portugese or whatever, since one has to look at traditional music and scales that were dominant in that country.

>> qotka - I feel your pain, bro =D coming from a non English-speaking country I experienced the same. >> chemicalpictures - DONT U DARE SAY THAT THE GODS OF HEAVY J-ROCK ARE TERRIBLE!!! LOOK AT THEIR RIFFS - 00010000100001001110000103. While I sometimes like to listen to zero-core, that's freaking amusing to read all these odes to Deviloof when their new release comes up. oh my God, I'm just venting my frustration, I guess. Oh well.

Yeah, I guess that's the same for any die-hardcore fans that do not want to somehow expand their views. I myself came to j-rock from black and suicidal metal, and, boy, was it a transition.

Let me start off with saying that I have listened to j-rock since 2009, and listen to plenty of other genres. What I still can't kind of get my head around is actually with the introduction of more or less extreme sounding bands (for j-rock), such as Deviloof and Nocturnal Bloodlust, one might see plenty of examples of rejection of other bands from different countries, playing such type of music with more quality, or glorifying j-rock bands (I'm getting tired of seeing how genius Deviloof are, while they are, at best, mediocre at their focus genre, but with some good ideas). I understand that there's some sort of confirmation bias at place, and willful ignorance, but I wonder if anyone noticed the same pattern. Cheers.