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This was discussed in another thread (and have been discussed to death I imagine), but it's still a fun and interesting topic IMO. Have you ever been shocked by a band's image/lyrical themes or anything like that? Do you still think it's possible to be shocking in 2014? What would a band have to do to shock you? I think the closest thing to shock value that has worked in my time was old live clips of GG Allin shitting on stage, smearing himself in with it, dragging girls by their hair and beating/fighting the audience. Sakevi of G.I.S.M. getting a flame thrower and attacking the audience. And Woods of Infinity's pedophilia flirt, but this was because of some rather creepy pictures on their website, and not the lyrics alone. But when I got into music, even these things wasn't very shocking anymore. It was "wtf" for about five minutes, then it got rather old already. So yeah, I've enver experience any real shocking as far as music goes. Have you? And the few bands that have tried to be shocking since I got much into harder music such as punk and metal (00/01 or something) have falled flat on their asses and failed miserably. Shock value is gone, and it's been like that for a long, long, long time as everything that is shocking has been used to death way before my time as a serious listener.