frayed

To people who say that their new stuff is bad.
 
Here is two different things:
1) Band live
2) Records
 
All the songs i didn't liked that much after hearing it live became one of my favourite. They do great shows and some "weird" songs are created for live performances. Believe me... See them live first and then talk. 

Don't know if anyone is interested, but here's the setlist from Rex on 5/10:
 
And Then There Were None.
SECRET No.03
VICTIM(ism)
Black bacarrat
Agitato GRIMOIRE
EMILY
悲哀
盈虧
ナナキ
Sliver
嘘と愚行-それもまた人間らしいって神様は笑ってるの-
原罪の林檎
Negator NEGATOR
BOWWOW
THE END

Encore
1. SUICIDAL WORD GAME
2. メサイア

Don't know if anyone is interested, but here's the setlist from Rex on 5/10:
 
And Then There Were None.
SECRET No.03
VICTIM(ism)
Black bacarrat
Agitato GRIMOIRE
EMILY
悲哀
盈虧
ナナキ
Sliver
嘘と愚行-それもまた人間らしいって神様は笑ってるの-
原罪の林檎
Negator NEGATOR
BOWWOW
THE END

Encore
1. SUICIDAL WORD GAME
2. メサイア

This is so true. Like spot on true.
 
Also as far as activities yeah, there's still the rest of the Hangman tour, the newly announced three stop mobile member tour, and one live event they are signed on for in October. I guess we will see at the end of Hangman whether the mobile member tour is their last one man tour before the hiatus.

Tumblr is just full of fangirls whining as if they were going to disband. Also, hardly anyone in this fandom does anything for the fans and it's been like that for years, so don't count on the fanbase to translate anything at all. They prefer to spam the social media of band members and tumblr with riddiculous comments.

I know a lot of people on this forum aren't really big fans of Mejibray. I can understand why someone wouldn't like them, especially since it took me seeing them live to fall for them and I just did that on a whim since they were playing locally.
 
But I did fall. I fell hard, and I've been following them pretty closely since then. I've made a lot of amazing friends and wonderful memories from following Mejibray, and so close after MeteoroiD ended, I haven't really processed how this makes me feel. 
 
If it's about just needing a break then of course I'm happy they can take the test they need. I am sort of concerned after the tweet that Koichi deleted after the announcement though. Just more than anything I hope they're all okay and it really is just about needing a break. They deserve that much. I just hope it's what all of them want.
 
I was really hoping the mobile member tour would be before I left Japan, but this really wasn't the way I wanted it to go down.

I know a lot of people on this forum aren't really big fans of Mejibray. I can understand why someone wouldn't like them, especially since it took me seeing them live to fall for them and I just did that on a whim since they were playing locally.
 
But I did fall. I fell hard, and I've been following them pretty closely since then. I've made a lot of amazing friends and wonderful memories from following Mejibray, and so close after MeteoroiD ended, I haven't really processed how this makes me feel. 
 
If it's about just needing a break then of course I'm happy they can take the test they need. I am sort of concerned after the tweet that Koichi deleted after the announcement though. Just more than anything I hope they're all okay and it really is just about needing a break. They deserve that much. I just hope it's what all of them want.
 
I was really hoping the mobile member tour would be before I left Japan, but this really wasn't the way I wanted it to go down.

These two radical degrees of n00blets: either they roast everything their "daddies" do in the nastiest possible way from music to wardrobe, or they're the hypersensitive "so-and-so is so vulnerable and perfect in every possible way no man can compare and they're definitely a virgin I WANNA HEAL THEM NO ONE GETS THEM LIKE I DO" trope.

Don't know if this really counts, but some of the crap these kids spam the band guys' Instagram pages with, lol.

That was a really interesting advert for shampoo.

I recommend not taking the train to Sapporo unless you’re already going to be near there. I’ve made the trip from Tokyo to Sapporo by Shinkansen with a JR pass and it was around 9 hours one way. The Shinkansen train on the northern route isn’t as fast as the Tokyo~Osaka segment, and IIRC somewhere north of Sendai you have to transfer to a regular slow train for the rest of the way.
 
If you’ll be commuting between Kyoto and Tokyo it’s worth getting a JR pass for that. But for Sapporo, it’s best to fly if you can manage it. I’d only take the train to Sapporo if that segment of the trip is falling during a time when you would have a JR pass anyway for other reasons. If you would have to buy a longer JR pass in order to fit in Sapporo, it might better to get a short one and do Sapporo separately as a plane trip on a discount airline.
 
 
It's better to buy in advance. Lower prices, better ticket numbers. For my favorite band I asked my friends who are also hardcore fans to help me get tickets to see them, but for the other bands I want to see (that my friends don't like) I asked a shopping service. One of the lives I want to see is almost certain to sell out before I arrive. I used White Rabbit Express. They entered the preorder lottery on e-plus for me, shipped the tickets, and I received them safely already.
p.s. My trip is in late July, so I will miss you.

If you're going to Sapporo by shinkansen then definitely buy it, haha. I think that trip alone from Kyoto would probably make it worth it. Just try your best! I find too that if you are willing to try a little Japanese, even if it's broken, the less self-conscious some Japanese girls will be about trying what limited English they have with you. It's a give and take kind of thing.
 
I'd second what jaymee said about tickets. Also if your written Japanese is stronger, if you feel at all comfortable trying it you might be able to arrange a ticket deal with some of the girls on Twitter to pick up tickets on the day of the live. Just another option.
 
Literally I've given presents from wine to posters to figures and just whatever tickles my fancy to give them to be honest. Like jaymee said, it really doesn't need to be expensive. I've gone as ridiculous and cheap as drawing on mikans and the band guy apparently loved it, haha.
 
Also I never knew putting purikura on the gifts was a thing! That's pretty adorable actually!

That's a lot! I'm sure you'll have a blast!
 
If a band will allow you to buy or reserve tickets in advance from overseas, I'd do that since day of tickets usually cost more (and you run the risk of them selling out).
 
Or if you know someone in Japan they could purchase them for you. If not, you can just purchase them all at once at a Loppi machine when you touch down.
 
As far as experiencing the night life, if you'll be by yourself, I recommend going to a "snack", which is a bar usually run by an older lady. There will probably be more older gentleman clientele than anything else, but many of them would be more than happy to sing karaoke with you there, buy you some drinks, and maybe take you to a few other local drinking spots in return for your company and some English practice. It might sound sketchy but it's not, and it'll make for some fun memories. Plus the snack will have reasonably priced drinks and different dishes of home cooked Japanese food to compliment them.
 
Edit: I'm not sure what kind of presents are "best". Bangya give anything from alcohol (cheap to expensive), jewelry, fan art/letters, cologne, bags, or whatever else they think the band might like (or talk about wanting on their social media). If there's any kind of food or snacks your home country is famous for (especially if they pair well with alcohol), I'm sure they'll appreciate it. I personally wouldn't bother buying anything too expensive and save your money for fun times when you get here. ^^

I'll be comparing prices these days, I'm looking to save money. I live with 11 siblings so I don't mind sharing common spaces or anything, I'm super used to that part.
I plan on going to Osaka and Kyoto, and while my cousin stays in Kyoto a whole week I'll be travelling back and forth from Kyoto to Tokyo for a few lives, so I think the Rail Pass is worth it... I also plan on going to Sapporo to see VRZEL and Dispina, so it might be cheaper to buy the JRP... 
I can try, but my spoken japanese sucks, I can read more than I can say though lol
 
So far D, Gotcharocka, Exist Trace, VRZEL, Morrigan, The Sound Bee HD, Jiluka, Aiolin, Kaya, maybe Diaura and Fantasista.

I really enjoy bars and Japan seems to be the one country where people go to bars instead of dancing so I really want to experience that.
 
Also, is it better to buy the tickets beforehand or on the same day it's ok? What sort of presents are ok?
Is anyone from the forum going to be in Japan during June and early July?

I used to live in Tokyo and when I go back for visits I try to stay near Shinjuku station, in that area around Shin-Okubo, Okubo, Nishi-Shinjuku. I think there are a couple of business hotels near Like an Edison for around 7,000 yen per night. Since I like to go for 2 to 3 weeks and stay in Tokyo the whole time, I’ve been getting places on Airbnb so I can have a kitchen. For my next trip I got a studio apartment near Shin-Okubo for about $800 (USD) for 2 weeks. It’s a lot more than normal rent, but cheaper than a business hotel in the area. Airbnb also has some guesthouse-style places with private bedrooms and shared kitchens and bathrooms which are much cheaper.
 
As a resident of Japan I was usually stuck on Willer Bus when I traveled to other cities, but as a tourist I get the JR pass and travel in luxury on the Shinkansen. Worth it. If you’re getting on the Shinkansen in Tokyo and going west/south, try to use Shinagawa station instead of Tokyo station. Shinagawa has a nicer layout and is much easier for transfers, and it has better bentos for sale. Those of you coming to Tokyo from other cities might want to get off in Shinagawa instead of Tokyo too.
 
Outside Tokyo I normally get business hotels on Rakuten, but In Osaka I’ve usually stayed at Hotel Chuo in the Dobutsuen-mae area. That neighborhood is sketchy by Japanese standards, but it’s clean and safe compared to Western cities. This is one of the better hotels in that area. It has private guest rooms and shared bathrooms, and advance bookings are 2600 yen/night for a single. Every time I’ve been there the clientele seems to be a mix of bangya and foreign backpackers. 
http://www.chuogroup.jp/chuo/english/index.html

I honestly wouldn't have a clue as I've only recently started traveling back to Japan but for the past 2 years it's only cost me $1000 for 1 week at my favourite hotel & the millions of love hotels that surround it are of reasonable prices 
 
The most expensive gift I've bought was a custom made pink lipstick that I went in picked all the colours & scents & got it named after him cause he wears pink lipstick alot 🙊🙊 it was $70, plus he got some other little things. As I'm from Australia I try to get everyone something very Australian. & I haven't seen anyone stick their pre-concert purikura on the gifts but thanks for the tip ✌ 1 of the best moments was when I got back to my hotel & saw that 3 of the members uploaded picture's of stuff I got them on their blog, twitter & instagram 😍

I'm still trying to convince him (cuz he'd have to take time off work for it which j-guys hate doing...) but for now I've booked a hotel just in case!
 
 
Lol in that case, I feel like being a mitsu has more perks and you'd probably get better pics. 
 
I didn't know so many of you (re: hiroki, frayed) were settled in the Northern Kyoto area. I'm in Shizuoka pref myself, and feel like it's a good in-between location-wise. No bands ever really tour here except BUCK-TICK (bless them) and occasionally Vidoll when they were still around.
 
 
I think frayed really summed it up what I would have said. To determine whether your train expenses would be more or less than the rail pass, I'd look up the cost of each longer trip you're planning on Hyperdia to compare. Hypermedia is pretty invaluable in general for just getting around. Expenses within the city shouldn't be that much, but if you plan on doing a lot of sightseeing, ask train staff or tourist information staff about intercity passes like hiroki suggested.
 
Which bands do you plan on seeing so far? I don't know a lot about where bandomen hang out. I imagine they all have their own regular spots.  If they're indies enough they might have after parties they'll invite fans to. In general, I think a lot of Tokyo tourists like going to Shinjuku Goldengai. But Tokyo (and other major cities) have lots of back alleys full of little casual drinking places (yokocho), so maybe just go exploring one night?
 
I also agree that it can be really worth it to talk to foreign bangya. I have more Japanese gya friends than Western gya, but Japanese gya friends tend to just get together for the event and maybe dinner before/after (because Japanese people tend to divide their friendships by interest/situation instead of making general "best friends" in the Western sense), so if you find a Western gya you get along with, you'll probably have more opportunities to hang out outside of just live-going. (Obviously there will be exceptions... one of my best Japanese friends is a former gya of some of the same bands I used to like.) I've made some really good Western gya friends at shows, but then last weekend I tried to chat up a foreign gya and she didn't seem too interested in carrying on a convo so it is what it is. Don't be discouraged though!
 
 
Yeah, if you have to pick a live, the tour final probably is the best as far as getting info/freebies/turnout goes. At a lot of the smaller live houses on a tour, the crowd interaction and set lists are generally better imho. You also have a better chance at getting saizen.
 
Has Shinjuku really gotten so cheap? I remember 10+ years ago Shinjuku being the last place I wanted to get stranded in because the hotels were so few and expensive. Ikebukuro used to be the cheapest, but I have no idea now, although I really love staying at Ikebukuro DICE internet cafe sometimes since they provide free towels/showers, and the shower room is really nice... Almost like a hotel. Also if you are going long distance/ensei-ing and you don't want to pay for a hotel, if you book a return bus back that night after the live you can save yourself a good wad of cash.
 
Do you buy them serious gifts? I remember when I still bought band gifts it was mostly those little boxes of alcohol or other silly gag gifts that we'd plaster some purikura we took before the show all over. (Is putting your purikura on gifts even still a thing? IDEK now.) Once one a band member was complaining about another band member he was rooming with locking him out so he could watch some porn, so a couple of us pitched in gave him a booze/porn package of his own.
 

How exciting! I hope you have a blast when you go!
 
I'd say compare prices between hostels and airbnbs and see which suits you more in terms of what you're looking for. Generally speaking, this could just be me, but I've had better experiences at hostels than same-priced airbnbs. But could just be my luck of the draw. As for if the Japan Rail Pass is worth it, it really depends on how much you're traveling and how convenient you want that travel to be. I have a friend who's going all over Japan on hers, so it's definitely worth the investment on her end. Like I said above, I'm also going to be going to Hokkaido to see a band plus take a look around, so I can't say from experience that it's worth it but I'm super excited to do it. Like I said, when it comes to gya even a little Japanese can go a long way, and while it depends on the person you're talking to, they generally seem to appreciate when you try, you know?
 
I know nothing about good bars/pubs, anyone got good advice on that?
 
(Also, please, don't be afraid to talk to other foreign fans. I've run into this weird vibe constantly where foreign fans just get really awkward about talking to each other, and it's just silly. If you want to talk to someone, just talk to them, worst thing that happens is you realize they're someone not worth talking to.)

How exciting! I hope you have a blast when you go!
 
I'd say compare prices between hostels and airbnbs and see which suits you more in terms of what you're looking for. Generally speaking, this could just be me, but I've had better experiences at hostels than same-priced airbnbs. But could just be my luck of the draw. As for if the Japan Rail Pass is worth it, it really depends on how much you're traveling and how convenient you want that travel to be. I have a friend who's going all over Japan on hers, so it's definitely worth the investment on her end. Like I said above, I'm also going to be going to Hokkaido to see a band plus take a look around, so I can't say from experience that it's worth it but I'm super excited to do it. Like I said, when it comes to gya even a little Japanese can go a long way, and while it depends on the person you're talking to, they generally seem to appreciate when you try, you know?
 
I know nothing about good bars/pubs, anyone got good advice on that?
 
(Also, please, don't be afraid to talk to other foreign fans. I've run into this weird vibe constantly where foreign fans just get really awkward about talking to each other, and it's just silly. If you want to talk to someone, just talk to them, worst thing that happens is you realize they're someone not worth talking to.)

North-wise of Kyoto if that helps at all with placing me, haha. It's a bit less than that, but 13,000 yen one way is still more than I can really stomach.  I'd agree about Willer's comfort levels too, just if you're tall with long legs like me, try and get aisle seats when you can. 
 
Also seconding that about Japanese bangya. Like any fans of course there's some that aren't so pleasant, but I've found 90% of the time they're super sweet and eager to talk to you once they realize you know some Japanese. I've made some amazing friends that way. The scene's fun, but it's even more fun when you can make friends to enjoy it with imho. It's also a great way if you're learning Japanese to really test how far your language skills can carry you!
 
Definitely do it! I really wanted to go to Fukuoka but my work schedule just wasn't having it, but I'm happier with the way things panned out with Sapporo anyway. 

Best thread of the week. I needed this.
 
I just booked my first trip to Japan and I'm going sort of alone. I will be doing all the usual tourist stuff with a cousin and his girlfriend, but bangya-wise I'm on my own.
Any tips?
 
Is it better to look for a hostel or an airbnb? Is it better to buy the JRP for two weeks or buy bus/train tickets separately? If I can afford it, is it worth it going all the way to Hokkaido for a couple of days to see a band play and look around? Are japanese gyas nice-ish to people who can't really speak their language much? Are there any good pubs or bars to meet fans and/or have a laugh at drunken bandomen? XD
I'll be there from mid June until the second week of July. 

North-wise of Kyoto if that helps at all with placing me, haha. It's a bit less than that, but 13,000 yen one way is still more than I can really stomach.  I'd agree about Willer's comfort levels too, just if you're tall with long legs like me, try and get aisle seats when you can. 
 
Also seconding that about Japanese bangya. Like any fans of course there's some that aren't so pleasant, but I've found 90% of the time they're super sweet and eager to talk to you once they realize you know some Japanese. I've made some amazing friends that way. The scene's fun, but it's even more fun when you can make friends to enjoy it with imho. It's also a great way if you're learning Japanese to really test how far your language skills can carry you!
 
Definitely do it! I really wanted to go to Fukuoka but my work schedule just wasn't having it, but I'm happier with the way things panned out with Sapporo anyway. 

From where I'm at, going to Tokyo can be a 4 hour shinkansen ride or a much cheaper 10 hour bus ride. I actually used to think I couldn't do Sunday things either, but since I don't love myself, I figured out a way around it: I would take the bus to a certain point, and then take a much cheaper train from there to get to work on time on Monday. This is basically hell and I recommend it to no one, but not only is it inexpensive, but it's actually way more handy since the trains back to my area actually end pretty early. I go to Tokyo more than I'd really like since a lot of the bands I actively follow are based there, so I opt for cheap hostels and deal with the shared bathroom space. They at least have private shower rooms so I'm content with that. For Tokyo travel, considering even the buses can rack up the $$ pretty quick, I just invest in the Willer Bus Pass since you don't have to be a tourist to get it and it's saved me a good chunk of cash.
 
I really prefer to go to Nagoya when I can though. The buses are plentiful, the ride's not nearly so long, and the price is super affordable. I love Osaka but for some reason there aren't really buses that go there even if it's about as far as Nagoya. Whatever.
 
I do buy the cheki but not as many as I did in the beginning; I'm usually happy with one pic per member, and I do re-visit the cheki a lot so it's worth it to me. Plus I like having the excuse to talk to the other fans when we trade them. T-shirts and the like are definitely great though. (... minus a certain band that does bonus fun stuff when you buy a certain amount of cheki but we don't need to get too far into that.)
 
I'm actually going to Sapporo for the first time for a band, but admittedly, I'm more just using the band as an excuse to go somewhere I've always wanted to visit anyway. That's kind of the way I usually plan my travel type stuff,  "Eh I wanna go check this place out anyway, might as well go to this live".

approx 80% of lives i've been to were in osaka cos i lived in northern kyoto, and most bands (even established ones) tend to skip over kyoto on their tours orz. i wouldn't exactly consider kyoto-osaka ensei cos it's only a 30-40 min ride each way and i've always enjoyed inter-city train rides.
 
OP mentioned seishun18 ticket which is an excellent way of travelling between major cities if you're on a budget & have a lot of time to spare! my record was kyoto -> osaka -> himeji -> okayama -> hiroshima to see blesscode, which took 8 hours + 5-6 transfers iirc, but the savings were significant. otherwise whenever i go outside of kansai for lives, buses (either day buses or overnight) are almost always my preferred choice of transport. the only exception to this was flying to hokkaido to see some sapporo bands cos they don't ever play outside of hokkaido haha. i def recommend not ruling out this option because it's cheaper than before with even more budget domestic flights these days. also never forget to do some research in advance because usually there are tons of day passes for intra-city buses/train/etc, as well as other deals designed for tourists or people on short trips (the irony is that most of the time few are aware of this other than people living IN the city).
 
i can't remember when the last time was i've taken a shinkansen - it's just ridiculously expensive as far as i'm concerned. i'd rather have a slightly less comfortable ride and use the extra money to buy merch and cheki lolol - but that's just me.
 
on the topic of chekis... i think of it as just a way of giving money to the band short of getting their bank account number and transferring money over. most bangya probably buy these with full knowledge that they have absolutely zero use-value once you agaru.
 
 

10 hours? That almost sounds like being close to Hiroshima or northern Honshu! That does sound pretty brutal on a regular basis, but I imagine the shinkansen one way is like 20,000 yen in comparison, yeah?
 
Since only one or two companies might do all the highway bus routes from more rural areas, that's a really good tip about the Willer bus pass or a bus pass from whatever company you use the most.  IMHO Willer has the most comfortable seats out of all the companies I've ever used. D:
 
When I lived in Tokyo and bused to Osaka or Nagoya, I'd often be on a bus with a bunch of other bangya doing the same, which was a cool way to make friends. I think sometimes people get shy about approaching Japanese bangya, but usually they're pretty nice about it, especially if the person you chat up has also come by themselves. Then you'll have a friend next time you go, or they can introduce you to other fans. Beyond trading, it's helped me get saizen a few times, better ticket numbers, or limited tour goods when I couldn't come in time to make the buppan start time.
 
I think that's a good way to do it. I planned a trip to Niigata that way once. I'm thinking about doing it for a summer live in Fukuoka. Might be a good little weekend trip for my husband and I, and then one night he can go explore the pubs while I go to the live if he doesn't feel like going.