saiko 429 Posted July 16, 2018 Hi! I've came across this information on the Satsuki drama thread: Quote Satsuki is a Kyo hanger-on and frequently brought up in conjunction with Kyo’s drinking party where there is rumored to be sexual/physical abuse of girls and one particular roadie (later known as Byou) by the attendees (Kyo, Tatsurou, Daisuke, Wataru, Satsuki, others). The legendary status of this party makes its veracity suspect, but this particular group of bandmen has a negative reputation overall and he is associated with them. Later Airi divulges that he now despises Dir en grey and openly talked shit about them at Daisuke’s memorial. While reading this passage, I instantly remembered a Tanuki post that got translated by FuckYeahTanuki! for her blog. There was in it such information about senpai bands bullying their fellows, as well as the wildness of these parties Kyo allegedly hosted in the past (or still does?). 🙄 I'm leaving here the links of FuckYeahTanuki's posts in case you never heard about this facts (?) and got interested in further reading: http://fuckyeahtanuki.tumblr.com/post/107060991606/tanuki-thread-about-the-era-in-which-visual-kei and http://fuckyeahtanuki.tumblr.com/post/167884561901/about-the-era-in-which-visual-kei-was-like-a-gang Does anyone know something more related to it? Dude, this is perhaps the creepiest bandoman stuff I've ever read on the net. 😰 1 IGM_Oficial reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvltic 1482 Posted July 16, 2018 big ol reminder that i'm not writing this as an insider or anything but as a nerd who reads a lot of tanuki rumors Kyo's drinking party was ハーコン/Harcon and the members are sometimes called ハーディー/Hardy, for anyone who wants to look it up themselves. I can't say I remember everyone who's been mentioned as a member but: Kyo Daisuke & other Kagerou members Gara & other Merry members Tatsurou & other MUCC members Satsuki Kisui Wataru (ex. 12012) Some combination of baroque/kannivalism members Byou (as Kagerou's roadie) Daisuke and Kyo are probably the ones you'll read the most about. A lot of the stories seem to indicate the old vertical hierarchy/roadie culture (e.g. Kyo bosses around Daisuke, who bosses around Byou) which seems to have died somewhat with the idolification of visual kei in the last 10 or so years. There are threads specifically about Harcon but I don't really know how I feel about translating them because they have some fairly serious allegations... The story about Ruka getting his ass beat by Yayoi/Yuuga is pretty famous too, but the details aren't really clear. Just everyone seems to know Yayoi and Yuuga wanted Ruka's ass beat and then it happened. One version I read is that Kazane from the Anarchist Records band Misery took the blame for it for a while, but that was because Yuuga pinned it on him after Yayoi ordered Yuuga to beat him up. Folding chairs were allegedly involved in the beating in the most often retold version of the story. Kisaki may or may not have intervened. The only reason I ever heard for this was that Yuuga and Yayoi got tired of him having a stank attitude and not greeting them properly. 2 4 saiko, platy, suji and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
platy 3018 Posted July 16, 2018 Now I'm curious about these allegations @cvltic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madygrain 515 Posted July 16, 2018 Baroque were known to be abusive at least Kei has some record of physically fighting in public or confessing to physically hurt others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elazmus 1873 Posted July 16, 2018 6 hours ago, cvltic said: Folding chairs were allegedly involved in the beating 1 suji reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
suji 8317 Posted July 16, 2018 11 hours ago, cvltic said: Folding chairs were allegedly involved in the beating in the most often retold version of the story. CHAIRSHOT TO THE HEAD!!!! 1 1 Elazmus and madygrain reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saiko 429 Posted July 16, 2018 12 hours ago, cvltic said: big ol reminder that i'm not writing this as an insider or anything but as a nerd who reads a lot of tanuki rumors Kyo's drinking party was ハーコン/Harcon and the members are sometimes called ハーディー/Hardy, for anyone who wants to look it up themselves. I can't say I remember everyone who's been mentioned as a member but: Kyo Daisuke & other Kagerou members Gara & other Merry members Tatsurou & other MUCC members Satsuki Kisui Wataru (ex. 12012) Some combination of baroque/kannivalism members Byou (as Kagerou's roadie) Daisuke and Kyo are probably the ones you'll read the most about. A lot of the stories seem to indicate the old vertical hierarchy/roadie culture (e.g. Kyo bosses around Daisuke, who bosses around Byou) which seems to have died somewhat with the idolification of visual kei in the last 10 or so years. There are threads specifically about Harcon but I don't really know how I feel about translating them because they have some fairly serious allegations... The story about Ruka getting his ass beat by Yayoi/Yuuga is pretty famous too, but the details aren't really clear. Just everyone seems to know Yayoi and Yuuga wanted Ruka's ass beat and then it happened. One version I read is that Kazane from the Anarchist Records band Misery took the blame for it for a while, but that was because Yuuga pinned it on him after Yayoi ordered Yuuga to beat him up. Folding chairs were allegedly involved in the beating in the most often retold version of the story. Kisaki may or may not have intervened. The only reason I ever heard for this was that Yuuga and Yayoi got tired of him having a stank attitude and not greeting them properly. Please! Could you do that favor to us, non-Japanese speakers?🙇♂️ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeus 7997 Posted July 16, 2018 12 hours ago, cvltic said: big ol reminder that i'm not writing this as an insider or anything but as a nerd who reads a lot of tanuki rumors [...] Daisuke and Kyo are probably the ones you'll read the most about. A lot of the stories seem to indicate the old vertical hierarchy/roadie culture (e.g. Kyo bosses around Daisuke, who bosses around Byou) which seems to have died somewhat with the idolification of visual kei in the last 10 or so years. There are threads specifically about Harcon but I don't really know how I feel about translating them because they have some fairly serious allegations... You definitely should because I guarantee 80% of the forum has never heard of this, and posts on the internet have a habit of disappearing. Of course, we will all keep in mind that these are rumors and should be treated as such until we get official proof (IF we ever get official proof). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saiko 429 Posted July 16, 2018 Just now, Zeus said: You definitely should because I guarantee 80% of the forum has never heard of this, and posts on the internet have a habit of disappearing. Of course, we will all keep in mind that these are rumors and should be treated as such until we get official proof (IF we ever get official proof). Right! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvltic 1482 Posted July 16, 2018 If I have permission from an admin, then I'll drop the highlights. Mostly I just don't want anyone to think I'm doing it to smear the bandmen in question or attempting to pass anything off as an absolute truth. The stories about Harcon in particular are generally considered to be a mix of truths, half-truths, exaggerations and total fabrications. The following is a selection of posts just from this archived Harcon thread:http://old.bbs.2ch2.net/admin/readkako.cgi?bbs=visualtanuki&key=1223287368 Byou is called by his real last name throughout the thread, I've replaced it in the translation. Also, some of the content below is disturbing. Spoiler 25 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:29 My friend had her hair pulled by Daisuke 39 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:33 I had my hair pulled and I got hit hard Kyo is trash for raising his hand to women 48 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:35 When I was going the girls [Kyo] hates would have their heads held and be forced to drink, he'd watch them crying and cackle That really creeped me out 61 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:39 Before at Harcon I fucked Daisuke and Kyo pointed and laughed, Kyo hated me lmao. Fine by me because Daisuke is my fav lol 81 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:45 I had a drinking contest with Kyo and I won, but when he sobered up he kicked my ass ＼(^o^)／ 113 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:57 He'd make girls strip and compare their pussies, tell them they smelled and put bottles of booze in them I want to forget ＼(^O^)／ 123 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:01 Kyo laughed at Daisuke's cutting scars and I was stunned, as you might expect 126 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:01 My friend had her hair pulled by Daisuke 129 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:02 >126 He plucked my pubes 172 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:16 Kyo ripped my high school uniform and I had to go to school in a jersey 255 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:42 If you fucked around with your phone you'd get drinks poured on you Some bandman who was messing around taking pictures got choked 271 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:59 I got passed around between Daisuke and Tatsurou lmao 73 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 21:03 Daisuke dragged me to the bathroom and fucked me lmao I was surprised because I thought he was the submissive type 340 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:06 Ah, the past, when I got raped by creepy Kisui and [Dir staff] Yubisui... 344 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:26 Daisuke and Satsuki and Gara and Tatsurou were doing rape-y things. Too late now, though. 349 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:47 We played 3 character shiritori (a drinking game) and I was forced to drink so much brandy on the rocks I blacked out for the first time in my life lol And there was a day where the money disappeared from my wallet without me noticing Now I can laugh about it 354 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:58 >349 Hold up lmao, same here lololol 355 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:58 >349 Same happened to me and my friend and she got taken home by one of them orz 356 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:00 >355 I got raped in public right then and there lol 367 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:05 Takes me back... Those were pretty fun times. Everyone would get smashed and when I sobered up we'd all be laid out in the room in the evening. 379 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:10 >367 I woke up naked and covered in puke in the bathroom lol When I quietly looked around outside the bathroom there were a ton of totally naked gya laid out lol 387 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:12 Kyo would make shit up and fight randos at the bar That was 6 years ago though 392 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:14 Daisuke laughed when my friend got taken away by the ambulance for acute alcohol poisoning 396 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:15 >392 I too am familiar with the Daisuke that laughs at girls while disparaging them lol 399 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:17 >396 Daisuke would immediately start pulling girls' hair and screaming, right? He was so problematic when he was with Kyo 405 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:18 A long time ago I got drunk and put my head in Daisuke's lap and he got hard instantly and it made my heart race lol 410 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:19 >399 Yep. I got laughed at while he called me ugly lol He acts good in front of [Kyo] but then talks about him rudely when they're separated lol 414 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:21 >410 Daisuke's personality is shit He's definitely hard on ugly women 417 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:23 They'd be murderously pissed at girls who brought girls who weren't cute lmao I got told to go home, as expected... 420 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:25 >417 Yes!!! So they'd emphasize that you HAD to bring a cute girl lol 430 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:28 425 That's why Kyo would invite you to drink after checking your looks lol A little audition lmao 440 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:30 Gara was really demanding that I let him feel my tits once lmao 453 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:33 I saw [Byou] forced to get naked a lot lol 463 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:35 Kyo beating up passerby with Daisuke was basically routine. 472 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:37 [Byou] was miserable, he'd cry a lot 473 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:37 Ugly girls would get cucumber sticks put in them and forced spread eagle 476 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:37 Kyo told me I was dumber than a pigeon 483 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:39 [Byou] is Daisuke's slave 487 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:40 >483 For sure lolol He was always getting hit, I felt bad 486 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:40 When I told Daisuke to give me his number he snapped my phone in half lmfao 490 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:41 >477 I wonder how [Byou] is doing. I felt so bad I tried to look after him but Shizumi forced me to go back to Kyo. 495 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:43 >490 Same LMAO I also tried to look after [Byou] but he told me to go talk to Daisuke looool Shizumi, lolol 505 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:45 Daisuke called me stupid and hit me ＼(^o^)／ 588 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:03 Daisuke made [Byou] jack off After that he made him sing Idol-gurui [by Kagerou] 594 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:05 >588 Did he cum? 597 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:05 >594 He'd get his ass beat if he didn't ejaculate, sooo He did 613 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:09 Bansaku knocked someone up at Harcon, kicked her stomach and made her miscarry 618 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:11 >613 Trash, as always Pregnant girls were a nuisance to him so he'd push them on Takumi from Gimmick That's why Takumi's drowning in debt 620 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:11 I don't want Screw fans telling me they feel bad for [Byou] This is the vertical society of bands Now we don't have a vertical society so there's been more dumbass bands [thread derails into old band culture talk and talk of non-harcon related bandmen] I also found some thread about bandmen and fighting but it's mostly about extremely early vk bandmen (RAPES, Charisma, Dynamite Tommy, X, LUNA SEA). I'll come back with those highlights when I have some time! 3 5 1 1 ahnchc, emmny, suji and 7 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saiko 429 Posted July 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, cvltic said: If I have permission from an admin, then I'll drop the highlights. Mostly I just don't want anyone to think I'm doing it to smear the bandmen in question or attempting to pass anything off as an absolute truth. The stories about Harcon in particular are generally considered to be a mix of truths, half-truths, exaggerations and total fabrications. The following is a selection of posts just from this archived Harcon thread:http://old.bbs.2ch2.net/admin/readkako.cgi?bbs=visualtanuki&key=1223287368 Byou is called by his real last name throughout the thread, I've replaced it in the translation. Also, some of the content below is disturbing. Reveal hidden contents 25 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:29 My friend had her hair pulled by Daisuke 39 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:33 I had my hair pulled and I got hit hard Kyo is trash for raising his hand to women 48 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:35 When I was going the girls [Kyo] hates would have their heads held and be forced to drink, he'd watch them crying and cackle That really creeped me out 61 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:39 Before at Harcon I fucked Daisuke and Kyo pointed and laughed, Kyo hated me lmao. Fine by me because Daisuke is my fav lol 81 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:45 I had a drinking contest with Kyo and I won, but when he sobered up he kicked my ass ＼(^o^)／ 113 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 19:57 He'd make girls strip and compare their pussies, tell them they smelled and put bottles of booze in them I want to forget ＼(^O^)／ 123 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:01 Kyo laughed at Daisuke's cutting scars and I was stunned, as you might expect 126 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:01 My friend had her hair pulled by Daisuke 129 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:02 >126 He plucked my pubes 172 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:16 Kyo ripped my high school uniform and I had to go to school in a jersey 255 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:42 If you fucked around with your phone you'd get drinks poured on you Some bandman who was messing around taking pictures got choked 271 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 20:59 I got passed around between Daisuke and Tatsurou lmao 73 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/06 21:03 Daisuke dragged me to the bathroom and fucked me lmao I was surprised because I thought he was the submissive type 340 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:06 Ah, the past, when I got raped by creepy Kisui and [Dir staff] Yubisui... 344 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:26 Daisuke and Satsuki and Gara and Tatsurou were doing rape-y things. Too late now, though. 349 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:47 We played 3 character shiritori (a drinking game) and I was forced to drink so much brandy on the rocks I blacked out for the first time in my life lol And there was a day where the money disappeared from my wallet without me noticing Now I can laugh about it 354 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:58 >349 Hold up lmao, same here lololol 355 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 02:58 >349 Same happened to me and my friend and she got taken home by one of them orz 356 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:00 >355 I got raped in public right then and there lol 367 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:05 Takes me back... Those were pretty fun times. Everyone would get smashed and when I sobered up we'd all be laid out in the room in the evening. 379 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:10 >367 I woke up naked and covered in puke in the bathroom lol When I quietly looked around outside the bathroom there were a ton of totally naked gya laid out lol 387 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:12 Kyo would make shit up and fight randos at the bar That was 6 years ago though 392 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:14 Daisuke laughed when my friend got taken away by the ambulance for acute alcohol poisoning 396 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:15 >392 I too am familiar with the Daisuke that laughs at girls while disparaging them lol 399 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:17 >396 Daisuke would immediately start pulling girls' hair and screaming, right? He was so problematic when he was with Kyo 405 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:18 A long time ago I got drunk and put my head in Daisuke's lap and he got hard instantly and it made my heart race lol 410 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:19 >399 Yep. I got laughed at while he called me ugly lol He acts good in front of [Kyo] but then talks about him rudely when they're separated lol 414 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:21 >410 Daisuke's personality is shit He's definitely hard on ugly women 417 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:23 They'd be murderously pissed at girls who brought girls who weren't cute lmao I got told to go home, as expected... 420 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:25 >417 Yes!!! So they'd emphasize that you HAD to bring a cute girl lol 430 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:28 425 That's why Kyo would invite you to drink after checking your looks lol A little audition lmao 440 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:30 Gara was really demanding that I let him feel my tits once lmao 453 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:33 I saw [Byou] forced to get naked a lot lol 463 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:35 Kyo beating up passerby with Daisuke was basically routine. 472 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:37 [Byou] was miserable, he'd cry a lot 473 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:37 Ugly girls would get cucumber sticks put in them and forced spread eagle 476 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:37 Kyo told me I was dumber than a pigeon 483 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:39 [Byou] is Daisuke's slave 487 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:40 >483 For sure lolol He was always getting hit, I felt bad 486 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:40 When I told Daisuke to give me his number he snapped my phone in half lmfao 490 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:41 >477 I wonder how [Byou] is doing. I felt so bad I tried to look after him but Shizumi forced me to go back to Kyo. 495 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:43 >490 Same LMAO I also tried to look after [Byou] but he told me to go talk to Daisuke looool Shizumi, lolol 505 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 03:45 Daisuke called me stupid and hit me ＼(^o^)／ 588 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:03 Daisuke made [Byou] jack off After that he made him sing Idol-gurui [by Kagerou] 594 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:05 >588 Did he cum? 597 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:05 >594 He'd get his ass beat if he didn't ejaculate, sooo He did 613 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:09 Bansaku knocked someone up at Harcon, kicked her stomach and made her miscarry 618 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:11 >613 Trash, as always Pregnant girls were a nuisance to him so he'd push them on Takumi from Gimmick That's why Takumi's drowning in debt 620 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:11 I don't want Screw fans telling me they feel bad for [Byou] This is the vertical society of bands Now we don't have a vertical society so there's been more dumbass bands [thread derails into old band culture talk and talk of non-harcon related bandmen] I also found some thread about bandmen and fighting but it's mostly about extremely early vk bandmen (RAPES, Charisma, Dynamite Tommy, X, LUNA SEA). I'll come back with those highlights when I have some time! Thank you so much for this! So, so interesting and important for us to know! I'm still a huge Diru fan, and obviously I don't consider the possibility of automatically start to dislike them because of acknowledging this... But I can't help feeling a little weird about this stuff, of course. Btw, what's "harcon"? "Harassment complex" maybe? And what are your thoughts on the roadie system, and its disappearance into the current idolification process? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seelentau 884 Posted July 16, 2018 lul, Yubisui was talking to someone from DEG just recently, can't remember to whom or what the context was, though it's on kyotaku's tumblr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masato 365 Posted July 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, cvltic said: lso, some of the content below is disturbing. If only 10% is true, that's bad enough. I just don't get how you can have so little self respect as to go to this kind of event.... 1 platy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saiko 429 Posted July 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Masato said: If only 10% is true, that's bad enough. I just don't get how you can have so little self respect as to go to this kind of event.... I guess this is very coherent with the whole ijime stuff we got to know trough a lot of anime and Manga scripts... Geez, Japanese do have a lot of issues with superiority, submission, idolatry, etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meat 135 Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) I translated a bit from a talk between Die, Gara and Boo here: https://www.monochrome-heaven.com/topic/115-merry-fka-メリー/?do=findComment&comment=606026 Gara mentions about the hardcore drinking sessions DEG does and he had to go along with it, whilst Die mutters that it's Kaoru who forces shots on people. What I didn't translate was a large section in the video where Die and Gara talked about some of the senpai/ kouhai bullshit they have had to put up with. It's been a while since I watched that vid for a while now so don't quote me on this. But I seem to recall Die saying that him and Kaoru were expecting to clean Yoshiki's toilet upon arriving at his LA home and was told (by someone from Luna Sea or X Japan, can't remember) that it's alright and they should drink some Dom Perignon and chill. Die told it as a positive senpai story If bandomen can be so awful to each other, I wouldn't be surprised at the horrors gyas have to put up with. When especially considering the conventional way for Japanese people to get to know each other, or just to have fun, means copious amount of alcohol. Mixing that with gyas and kouhais who want to impress, I wouldn't be surprised if 100% of those tanuki posts actually happened. Edited July 17, 2018 by meat 2 1 Silverhawk33, cvltic and suji reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvltic 1482 Posted July 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, saiko said: Btw, what's "harcon"? "Harassment complex" maybe? I think it's supposed to be ハード (Hard, like hardcore?) + コンパ (Konpa = mixer), similar to ヤリコン (fuck+mixer, basically a party for hookups). But no one seems to know the origin of the name for sure. 27 minutes ago, saiko said: And what are your thoughts on the roadie system, and its disappearance into the current idolification process? I'm not really sure what to say about it. On one hand, it seems like the roadie system had its benefits and the relationship could be very important to both parties. I was watching the last lynch. blu-ray that came out with the commentary on, where the roadie system came up in conversation. They talked about Ai from DARRELL/DEATHGAZE's previous band, Otogi, and Hazuki mentioned that Otogi had literally a dozen roadies onstage at their disbandment live all crying hysterically because they genuinely cared about the band. Reo (who is older than the other members of lynch. and has a lot more connections in the '98-'04 era VK world) mentioned that he thought that the roadie system allowed for a lot of learning experiences, however it also made a lot of bitter memories when it was basically a glorified way of hazing and abusing people. He implied that he didn't want to cause any of his kouhai to have the bitter memories many people seemed to have from the roadie system. (I should relisten to the commentary later since this is just from memory.) I also think the near-elimination of the system means fewer talented people being railroaded or turned off of the genre just because a senpai doesn't like them, or because they can't "handle" being treated like a whipping boy, or because they may not otherwise fit in. These girls could be right that it means that even shittier people aren't being weeded out though, or that the barrier for entry is too low for bandmen with no ambitions aside from mitsu money and fuckbuddies... Especially if you do consider that there is more an emphasis on selling yourself as available directly to fans than there used to be. (Imagine any of the bands from this era doing "hug sessions".) I think the internet would have mostly killed the band vertical hierarchy anyway even if visual kei hadn't started adopting more and more "idol-ish" tactics (i.e. selling personal rapport or the illusion thereof to fans) -- it's happening everywhere now, people are able to just create and distribute music from their homes without much budget or equipment and enter a niche without outside help or an "in". It's still not totally gone though... just look at Tsuzuki/Genki and Koichi's blacklisting from venues. 7 platy, emmny, Zeus and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nekkichi 6043 Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, cvltic said: Bansaku knocked someone up at Harcon, kicked her stomach and made her miscarry @madygrain come collect ur girl x 1 chemicalpictures reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chemicalpictures 1888 Posted July 17, 2018 well, band members are a bunch of motherfuckers, surprise surprise shit ton of lesser famous bands in the west act the same way, shouldn't be a surprise japanese cute boys are assholes aswell, specially with the sick views japan has on respect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDL 692 Posted July 17, 2018 LOL band members and their groupies, every rock bands have one, wherever they are. Reminds me this one report when Marilyn Manson, either being honest or trolly, told about one time him and his band mates (mainly Wayne Gacy) were doing this one deaf groupie girl back stage, from groping her, had sex with her and then gave her the golden shower, to the protest of Nine Inch Nails members. 2 platy and saiko reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madygrain 515 Posted July 18, 2018 Lol I don't believe that about Kei for a second. He has been arrested for fighting and he confessed to punch Akira... But that's too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ぺるしゃ猫 67 Posted July 18, 2018 Yuuga most definitely did that, I literally saw him pop off at 2 guys in the middle of a DK live a few months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
filth_y 189 Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 12:05 AM, meat said: that it's Kaoru who forces shots on people. What I didn't translate was a large section in the video where Die and Gara talked about some of the senpai/ kouhai bullshit they have had to put up with. Well, isnt that a general senpai/kohai problem? I've heard and seen myself several situations at nomikais where the senpai forces a kohai to do funny or strange stuff (forcing shots being the most harmelss). On 7/16/2018 at 10:59 PM, cvltic said: 620 名前：名無し 投稿日：08/10/08 04:11 I don't want Screw fans telling me they feel bad for [Byou] This is the vertical society of bandsNow we don't have a vertical society so there's been more dumbass bands Best explanation i've seen so far why more "modern" bands (well the quote is 10 years old already tho) are shitty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saiko 429 Posted July 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, filth_y said: Well, isnt that a general senpai/kohai problem? I've heard and seen myself several situations at nomikais where the senpai forces a kohai to do funny or strange stuff (forcing shots being the most harmelss). Best explanation i've seen so far why more "modern" bands (well the quote is 10 years old already tho) are shitty So, you have to overcome abusing behaviour towards yourself to get to be considered a "good" artist and reach the audience? Anyway, Screw was a really shitty band, with Byou being almost totally unable to sing since the start to the very end of the band. Kagerou and baroque weren't THAT great, aside for having made a well-known contribution to the scene's style... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karma’s Hat 3107 Posted July 18, 2018 sounds like a friday idk 2 emmny and lichtlune reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheZigzagoon 670 Posted July 19, 2018 Can someone make a separate thread about Ruka getting beat up with a chair or link me to some place I can read about it? I want to know this juicy gossip 1 avaritonista reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
