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I'll always love Masami Okui and Megumi Hayashibara. They've sung beautiful anison themes:
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2019 has already started and I've been thinking over 2018 that:
- Homage kei trend, which was one of the sweet spots that kept the scene alive in the last 5 years, is pretty much dead. Also, La Veil sucks; Kyouki from Grieva could sing at least a little decently, and their bassist was a beast;
- After watching Lycaon's Eve's new "twin project" I still can't believe how 98% of releases won't get less idolish and/or formulaic. 2018 was catastrophical in that sense: there was almost no cool releases to balance off the rest of the shit. I fear an oversaturation of the market comes and a lot of people lost their interest in the scene (and I couldn't blame on them for that...);
- big bands delivered great but not stand out music, rather uninspired (Dir's The Insulated World and TG's Ninth are the perfect examples for that);
- BPR and Goemon bands aren't cool anymore. Kiryu and Arlequin were skilled, fresh and original when they first came out, but nowadays the ghostwriting is so blatantly obvious, and the overexplotation so painful to notice, that I started keeping good distance from them;
- What the fuck is Diaura doing? We need them to save VK again.
- 2018' VK was saved by the proggy ones, Kizu and Dimlim. Nothing epic, but actually really good; I'll be definitely looking forward them in the future. Got very recently on them, and blame myself for not wanting to put my faith on them when I read all the hype here before. Oh, and don't forget Mamireta's "Ojamashimasu" (the rest of them is pretty much forgettable).
Which is your 2018 balance?
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soan project alone >>>>>>>>>>>> the entire indie vk scene ca. '17 - 18 no matter how much you loathe idol-kei™ tbh.
ninth is a much better album than 3* full releases before dogma (*four if you count traces)
anyway the thing I liked most about 2018 VK is that guy's family sounds fresh again if you take a 7 year break from listening to it, same with withering to death by deg.
dexcore were cute.
once 2019 releases start rolling in with old artists forming new bands it will get better.
tbh nothing ever compares to the 2006-2008 VK drought when a lot of promising indie acts were picked up by universal which averaged them to death and failed to find new audience for the mess that came out of it.
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Ida's version sounds good as an anime/VG theme, but God, how are we supposed to keep digging into this scene with all these garbage of guys trying to look all "cute" in front of the camera with all that cheap make up and God-awful clothes taken from a cosplay shop... Is this going to stop someday?
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I showed Dir's "Cage" to a friend to isn't remotely aware of VK or even J-rock, and he said "Wow, this sounds like Iron Maiden".
VK always sounded very unique to my ear. But in the last year, since
I was not very fond of the (Western) classics of punk, grunge, gothic, metal, and their respective subgenres and "post" scenes, although I always knew that theorically VK made itself over Western artist, the gap between VK and Western artists came up as much shorter than I tought, with only few elements of it (musical, visual, lyrical, performatic) keeping actually "unique".
In the case of "Cage", since I haven't heard much from Iron Maiden, what can you say about what my friend said? Are you agree with him?
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Most of Iron Maiden's stuff is Metal, so maybe Cage sounds like some of their softer stuff?
Even then, Dir en Grey's early heavy stuff sound less like Iron Maiden, and more like Metallica or Megadeth (and even then, still sound more like Kuroyume, Luna Sea and all the other early 90's bands they took inspiration from).
And their later heavy stuff more resembles Korn.
I think something like Vasalla more resembles Iron Maiden.
In my opinion, while a lot of Visual Kei does resemble western bands, there is so much common threads of influence in Visual Kei that some how, some way, Vkei still sounds different than the rest of mainstream J-Rock.
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That is a pretty silly comparison imo. Now, if you showed him some GLAY, I would understand....
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Same here. These ten years listening to VK made me forgot that I crushed on it because first I crushed on J-music, and anime openings and OSTs in general are responsibles for. Since I was very little I felt very overwhelmed when my favorite openings came to play and also very curious about how Japanese sounded and was written; I went head over heels to it, despite my family and friends looking down on it. It's still a mystery to me why, if almost every 90s kid grew up watching anime in a daily basis, J-music fandom was and still is considered a freak thing...
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So true that I got a little emotional. Thanks for this.
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We are all aware that Mana's music writing skills for Moi dix Mois are totally a flop and 90% of their catalog is worthy of a cringe compilation, but I wouldn't be fair if I don't recognize "Solitude" to be one of the most beautiful compositions VK ever had. I'm totally in love with the atmosphere of elegance and darkness, and overall over-the-top cheesiness Mana put into it, and how well Juka's voice manages to bring all the tragic tone. I feel it on the vibe of Malice Mizer works like "Garnet" and "Gardenia"; Klaha's voice could perfectly fit into it. Same opinion goes for "Vestige", another MdM track with the said vibe. Sometimes I wonder they were tracks already composed for MM before they decided to disband.
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Actually I don't hate any band or member in particular, I just ignore it, as somebody else said above. What I actually hate is the much idolized vk industry got in the last 10 years. Sometimes I can't believe my eyes when I got to see horrible things like "Babykingdom" or "the Raid", and people liking them "because they are cute"... Well, at least they make some people have what seems a good time of enjoyment... Oh yeah, I also hate that part of the West DEG fandom that born with Uroboros... They totally drive me crazy. Pd: Mejibray had a bunch of awful fillers but wonder singles until Decadance.
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What's the issue? And how's that supposed to be a Gazette parody?
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I sent you a private message, in case you haven't noticed!😊
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Been thinking the same all this time. Always remember that the Dir guys where picked by Yoshiki to get their first major single produced (and were produce by Yukiya right before that). They all had between 19 and 24 yo at that time, and were so little talented that they also performed terrible at a Budokan hall that they managed to pack with only a year or a year and a half of being born... everything was like a rollercoaster to them: one year they form, the other they manage to appear on TV and make a Budokan performance and the other they are blessed with the arranges of the drummer of one of Japan hot acts of the time... A very Justin-Biebery story if you ask me... I wonder what could have happenes to them if they actually didn't make it to get all that infrastructure behind them at their very beginning, and how the hell did they do it to get it so immediatly... They were cool, but c'mon not THAT revolutionary! Maybe they would have been nobody and only left a couple of weird indie kotekote demos like the ones we hardcore fans desperately look for...
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Please, share it!
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The outfits so, so generic if you ask me, I won't let it hype that much. VK idol look_01.jpeg:
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Why does Dir en grey's "Yurameki" sound so Luna-Seaesque to me? We all know that Dir, along with almost every vk band, cites Luna as one of his big influences; my question goes in a technical sense. I tried listening to every song Luna put out before "Yurameki", but I haven't found yet one you could say "Here is the guitar/bass/drum sound Dir borrowed for this song"🤔🤔🤔
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Any information on who runs this label? I've only came to now Paradeis; the rest are ignominious to me. I feel this label is much like Starwave Records: they pull on and out a lot of shitty untalented bands, and don't seem to ever stop and try to come with something more worthy its listening...
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I said: Btw, in my case, the love for VK hasn't made me look down on local music; all over the contrary. Tastes.
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Btw, Kyo seems to have published a child story book with drawing made by himself. Apparently he went to Sanrio Co. (a.k.a Hello Kitty developers) to proppose them the idea of work it togheter (???) but they turned it off instantly (WTF was Kyo thinking). Here's the news: https://www.asahi.com/sp/and_M/interest/entertainment/Cfettp01811252969.html?fbclid=IwAR1RlrqK8p4onNLeupWuD7fL0CtmjZYnW-7j8YL7O-TlVOfexzIo4o68EA0 My japanese is very bad, so maybe I could actually misundertand something. Help, senpais! P.D.: MFW Dir is still considered a visual-kei act for the Japanese media... Well, of course I do it too, but when I recall the many times they tried to deny beign part of the scene... lol
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I so agree. When the Internet says that VK scene isn't actually a LITTLE well-known in Japan is something difficult to believe to us who have VK on their daily basis, but yeah, even filling a two-days Budokan every tour finale makes you just "popular"... I mean, you actually are popular, but in terms of 1 in a scale of 10. Let's say you are known but ot relevant. Average pople in Japan actually know what VK is, but it seems so weird to them that they have literally zero real interest in getting into it. All they do is to listen to the big 90s classics that left their mark with fire into the pop charts (X, hide, Luna Sea, L'arc, Glay, and MAYBE some "Melty Love" by Shazna... and you stop counting). Gazette made their name into the Japanese metal scene, though, but general Japanese metal audience just have this really sexist predjuice about "VK being for teenage girls", also many of them just look down over the local scene and tend to like only foreign music (this last opinion makes me instantly puke; god, how I wish I lived in Japan just to get really involved with all those awesome artists they have...). (Source: Japanese people I met in real life).
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Please stop this nightmare, I've had enough with 8P-SB for this year...
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Why do people assume Dir mates don't get along at all?
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I always wandered over if Kiwamu's has any dignity lefting there at all... or a least makes any significant ammount of money with these "bands"... This is one of the few labels that hasn't put out ANY worthy artist EVER... All the stuff they do is always cringy...
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Recently, motivated by the sharing of a Dollis Marry's best-album a kind user did here, I have been listening to a good portion of Metis Gretel, Dollis Marry and Izabel Varosa, a group of bands that I've seen their name in every download website I visited since I started myself into vk back in 2009, but never tried. Although their sound is absolutely not a novelty, and in this sense they sound/look kind of generic, let me say that they actually did came over my expectatives, at least for a first listening, which is a really good sign. The best one was, of course, Dollis: a very decent vocalist (which it's like a miracle in this god forsaken scene; it's actually a pity there isn't any live footage available at least on Youtube, it is the only challenge it lefts to prove he is so) and very good arranged songs, some with a fresh approachs (with that I mean they take themselves off from the archetypical indie clichés), they best example being this:
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QuoteI'm finding I'm going back and revisiting a lot of things I looked over a long time ago and realized that they sound a lot better than I originally thought.
Glad you're liking Metis Gretel too: they're one of the first vkei bands I got into and are still a favorite of mine.
I'm glad you are doing it!
My process is generally the opposite: revisiting a a lot of things I looked up a long time ago and realize that they sound a worst than I originally thought. Next year I enter my second decade being a vk listener realizing that vk is in fact (and kinda was in its beggining) a scene filled with a bunch of boys in their early twe
nties trying to mimic the big acts with none to zero creative spirit. Thus we have the increasing amount not only of plagio (the most incredible and yet dramatic case of it is bands like Kiryu, that literally copy themselves over and over with no signs of going to stop it someday) but of an idolized conception over bands, their formation, music, looks, selling strategies, etc. A very big dissapointement, if you aks me.
So, being into this process of grieving the ideal VK was for me a a musician, finding that there actually is/was listeneable music and cool looks within the scene is a caress to the wounded heart!
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Is this guy trying to cosplay Ruki? Ugh.
