Karma’s Hat

Dying for the PC version. Fuck you Rockstar gief nao

Finally! Even on that one DVD they played Erotopia like twice and both were extended iirc.

Ootko ex-IRC galleria feimi vai ernuilitko kaapissa?

Oh shit, I think I downloaded most of my missing gazette stuff from there. Transcoders should be forced to wear helmets and only be allowed to leave the house under supervision, seeing as they are a danger to themselves and everyone else. Fuck 'em.

I actually thought Lucid was a half-decent bad Unsraw rip-off which itself is a tremendous step forward for Western VK, but then again the singer seems to only speak Japanese. Instrumentally they were doing more things right than any Scandinavian piece of shit vk band has ever done. And I love the singer :'D This I realise might not be everyone's thing because the performance is rough as fuck and a little bit campy perhaps, but I thought he had more charm than any other western vk vocalist thus far. Shame that they went to hiatus and the singer has moved to Japan as well iirc

I just can't resist slagging off the title. Sounda like something the bands that try to copy dir en grey would come up with.

Wasn't Invidie the one that made the Deluhi cover? Kill it with fire

I miss playing this game so much. Numerous great memories from the time I first leveled up to 60. Those kids will never know the immense satisfaction one got from amassing all that gold at level 40 to get their first mount. I was on a RP server back in the day ( stopped being super active around WoTLK and stopped entire when Cataclysm was released ) and it was awesome. Too bad us hxc LARPers are a rare breed and everyone goes to the more populated PvP servers nao ;(

I can tell you something that is Gazette's fault The riff in Die Kusse But to stay on topic, I get the screaming previews now that it seems to be their shtick. The previews are not intended to win anyone over, but they just serve to hype up stans that would like everything anyway.

i c what u r doing thar mejibray

Certainly not the setlist of neither the Diplosomia tours, nor the VENOMOUS CELL tour/s ( whichever ) and prior to those half of the played songs in that set didn't even exist. So calling bs. Source pls

I don't think I ever said one excluded the other. What I'm tired of is people people thinking that technical proficiency is a necessity ( just to clarify this is not directed at you obviously ). Doesn't matter to me if it's there. If it fits the music, it fits.

Fair enough. Although I don't agree at all, I'm satisfied. As for the vocalists issue, I don't really care one bit what kind of vocal acrobatics they're able to do or how by the book their vocals are, but instead what they are trying to represent with the performance. I love those rough amateurish vocals. Granted, I was being provocative by saying it doesn't matter literally at all. Reason for that being the constant slander perfectly good vocalists receive in the VK community. Still concur with what I said previously about the age and talent issue.

The venue was huge. Maybe all VK should go to Chile after all.

Either Phantasmagoria or Syndrome. There's still something very pedestrian and basic about Syndrome that makes them not stand out very well as far other stuff from that particular era goes. Phantasmagoria on the other hand has stuff that I really like, and some that I really don't. It's also the point where I think Riku started to get boring. All in all, no Kisaki band is my thing, but I'll settle for Phantasmagoria as my final answer since they were really good at times. Never actually tried Mirage

Setlist.fm says they played nine songs in Chile but that can't be right. Anyone has the setlist?

For fuck sake You obviously have zero idea what I'm going on about, for whatever reason it may be. What you're saying about "Visual Kei not being restricted to only one type of vocals" - well no fucking shit. I even said that I'm specifically talking about bands that sound like Mejibray, Royz, The Gazette, ScreW etc. and that includes practically all the bands from Europe. Overworld, Desier, Jenlayn, Karmia, Seremedy, Yohio, and others. This is almost the only kind of gaijin-kei that is still around, even moreso if we only count bands that are actually active which would exclude a lot of the South American ones. These bands rip off the formula that their Japanese counterparts have already beaten to the ground, and they're stomping down it even further without actually making it work. What I originally said was that the fact that they are trying also trying to emulate the type of vocals these bands have, and not to mention the lyrics, is not very wise. The lyrics sound AS_IF_JAPANESE VISUAL KEI_ LYRICS_ WERE_ TRANSLATED_ to make it absolutely clear to you. It may work when Asagi sings about Alice or when Kyo croons about endless zetsubou, but it sure as shit doesn't work when these Western bands try it. It's simply sounds tacky, and if you couple that with a saccharine Mejibray-esque backing music for the chorus, it becomes even worse. So far no band has managed to make these types of vocals work, although with Yohio being the least embarrassing out of all of these. To avoid this hurdle, I simply advised them to look for influence in the west. I do acknowledge that it is possible to make this type of song and dance work, but one has to be an immense talent to do so. edit: Okay, here's and example. Lyrics in the description. Those are obviously heavily influenced by Vk, and they would sound awkward even if they wouldn't have that terrible vocalist making everything infinitely worse. The lyrics just are different to those often found in western music like post-punk and such and such that influenced VK back in the day. Perhaps they shouldn't try to make lyrics akin to translated The GazettE ones, but instead examine lyrics from bands that do speak their language and just maybe do what they did. Technical proficiency can be only be used as means to an end, and is no way an end itself. I'm not telling this to you as I presume you are aware of it, but I wrote it just to clarify. Couldn't care less. Nobody should give anyone a break for a lack of experience. Not to mention the forum would crash if I was to list all the bands that were great from day one. How is it possible that 16 years old can do a decent debut releases in every other scene ever except this one. Which is why I think the problem is in the fundamentals, as in how to play visual-kei without speaking Japanese as a native language and where to take inspiration from for riffs and melodies. There's your mature

Something like this could actually be the case. Who knows, maybe the setlist will increase as they get out of the murikas.

^ Some do, but not all. Dir en grey still gives awesome sets regularly, D'espairsray played for a long arse time too, Black:list played for like three hours and the list goes on. This shit trend is only a recent thing, and even D played like 20 songs in 2010 or 2011 whenever the first tour was( although MUCC had been playing short sets since their first EU gig iirc ). That makes this particular case worse is that the band had once stated that they will have none of this short setlist crap, and they'll play real sets as they would do in japan. If I recall correctly this interview is up on jame and was made in 2006-2007. It's a shame if they don't think like that anymore. Skipping Ride With The Rockers says to me "HEY GUYS WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK"

I'm expecting a regular setlist. They _always_ play around 20 songs, up to 24 as of late. Even in Europe last time we got super rarez and 18-20 songs. Not to mention the baffling absence of Kantou and Ride With The Rockers.

https://www.facebook.com/theGazettESpain/posts/504669936289469 + kagefumi apparently This is so fucking lame. 15 songs fuck off godzette

Languages will have different kinds of vocal melodies, and trying to imitate them literally in another language will not often sound very good, depending. When something might have a bit more unusual stresses, as visual-kei vocals tend to quite frequently - trying to imitate it in english or so will just not sound good. Rolf how about having a different native language. The language one grows up with and uses the most will definitely impact the manner of thought and speech of this person. I think I made the points you bring up clear, so either I'm a terrible writer or your reading comprehension is piss poor. The lyrics of gaijins thus far tend to be heavily if not exclusively influenced by the lyric writing of visual-kei bands to the point they sound translated. This in effect makes them awkward, hammy and straight up terrible. It requires and extremely convincing vocalist to make Japanese melodrama sound good in English, and we are not seeing this happening any time soon. You seem to think that somebody has to be a technically proficient vocalist to be classified as a good vocalist. VK is riddled with good vocalists, but some people are just too musically illiterate to understand anything beyond "HE IS NOT HITTING THE NOTES MAAAN". The fact is that all of these gaijin-kei vocalists sound like they are singing for their webcams with not even the least bit of confidence or character. Well that's cute, but completely irrelevant. Where do you people get the impression that people hate on gaijin-kei because it's not by japs. Even though it may get people to exaggerate and some to write dumb shite, I doubt they would fail to recognize the greatness just due to prejudice. The stereotype of gaijin-kei being horrible was not born out of thin and racist air, but it was predominately conceived because all aspiring gaijin-kei artists suck. Sorry.

I don't think there is a problem with bands ripping of royzcore per say, it's just that it is fundementally impossible for gaijins to do it in a way that is tasteful. In fact gaijins have proven themselves to be such lousy composers that ripping off generally good things would be advised. Just from one early Napalm Death or Discharge album the gaijins could grap a ton of sweet riffs that only require little alteration to pass for something The Piass could have done at one point. If that's not your thing, then just take some bouncy metalcore riff with pinch harmonics abundant and growl. There's a million crappy deathcore bands out there that while obnoxious in their sucking, at least pull off the fundementals. Now asking bands to do Christian Death like stuff is a stretch if even the previous mentions are somehow an impossibility, not to mention the poppy Moran and Amber Gris field. That's VK and it's influences at the most basic level, and even those things aren't happening so there's no reason to reach for the stars and reinvent the wheel. Also lol at all those bands who claim to have their own sound and UNIQUE MIX all the while they sound like a really shitty linkin park as someone once put it.

This may or may not be the topic to rant in, but in the absence of a general gaijin bijuaru topic. Weeaboo-kei will always without exception be shit until the lyricists and vocalists start revamping the formula and broadening their influences. Singing in a "traditional" VK fashion simply does not work when done by gaijins. It is made impossible by the fact that singing really bad emulations of VK lyrics in English reveals the their true nature: They're emo tripe that even filthiest goth of yesteryear wouldn't want to be associated with. It will be a cold day in hell when the western scene gets a vocalist that is charismatic, unique and either a superb English/other gaijinspeak lyricist or extremely fluent in Japanese. Gaijins will simply have to get "less" VK to pull off VK. This doesn't apply just to Royzcore, but to any possible kotekote emulations as well where Japanese is half the charm. Weeaboo-kei is not the only scene that has had this problem. Finnish post-punk for example is nearly impossible to digest with the lyrics being translated carbon-copies of those from the legendary British bands. Language is a big deal, and as translating The Cure in Finnish doesn't work just as translating The Gazette to English doesn't work. I have had an interest in playing VK myself for ages, and I have often wondered how to surpass this problem. Basically unless one is an immensely talented vocalist from the get-go, there's no other option but to either only do songs where the lyrics amount to EINS ZWEI DREI VIERJAJAU, or take influence for genres in which the vocals are sung in a more foreigner-friendly manner. For gaijins, hardcore or post-punk esque talking and shrieking should be the way to go, with "singing" cut to an absolute minimum. Lyrics also influenced by western lyric writing tradition, not the cheesy as fuck engrish choruses that seem to be the bread and butter of all swedekei. I'd like to think that when someone does this successfully and a proper foundation is established, others will follow build it from thereon. I have not encountered a scene that is in such a dire state as Visual-kei outside of Japan. While the number of weeaboos once easily rivaled that of the scenekids, and I even personally know weeaboos that are very apt with their instruments, so far there's only one musician of profile and not a single band with any promise.